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Denison, Iowa

I had an experience over the weekend that kind of soured me on the local gaming scene.

A little background: I have barely played since late 5th edition. All my games since then have been with two friends in my home. To get back into the swing of things I attended a tournament, my first since 2004. It was very well put together, expertly organized, and most of the people were polite and a joy to game with.

I did however run into a couple guys that came off as abrasive. Before any actual gaming occurred I was unpacking my things. Someone walked up, disparaged me, and stated that my army "made him want to vomit". At first I thought it was a joke, after the initial shock wore off I realized he was serious. I caught some flak for having multiple Lords of War in a 2000 point list. However, I looked around, and 1/4 of the players there had done the same thing. I chalked it up to a single rogue donkey cave and moved on.

One of my opponents took a look at my list, made a minor complaint, and then basically refused to talk the rest of the game. After I got the first turn he intentionally threw the game, let me table him, then refused to shake my hand. We parted ways with him making a remark about my "cheap" list and how no one could expect to win against it. (I lost a majority of my games).

Good behavior was supposed to be enforced. However, being the outsider there, I didn't want to make too big of a stink. At least one of the guys seemed to be in the "popular" crowd. I was thinking of trying to join the local gaming group, and hope that a take-all comers fun list would be more accepted, but now I don't know.

So, am I over reacting, or should I have stood up for myself a little better?
   
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Sounds like a sore loser. If the list is legal and the tournament allows it then you did nothing wrong in my eyes.

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Out of curiosity, what was your list?

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Denison, Iowa

 Kriswall wrote:
Out of curiosity, what was your list?


Two Baneblades, shadowsword, two primaris pykers, 3-10 man infantry squads, hellhound, and two earthshaker platforms.

Other people's lists included:

3 Knights, and RG

Mortarion, Magnus, Lord of Skulls

Magnus, Mortarion, (can't remember the name, but Daemon Prince special character) and Renegade guard artillery

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 cuda1179 wrote:
One of my opponents took a look at my list, made a minor complaint, and then basically refused to talk the rest of the game.


What was this "minor complaint?"

I mean, if this was a tournament (and one that allowed 3 superheavies), I don't see an issue with it. Normally, I'd shrug off a rude person as just being rude, but the fact that you got such a reaction from so many people...I dunno. It sets off my alarms.

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See if the local gaming group overlaps the tournament crowd (and by how much). Not everyone is an eejit - hopefully!
   
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Denison, Iowa

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
One of my opponents took a look at my list, made a minor complaint, and then basically refused to talk the rest of the game.


What was this "minor complaint?"

I mean, if this was a tournament (and one that allowed 3 superheavies), I don't see an issue with it. Normally, I'd shrug off a rude person as just being rude, but the fact that you got such a reaction from so many people...I dunno. It sets off my alarms.


It was a complaint about 3 superheavies. Not being a "real" list.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
HuskyWarhammer wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
One of my opponents took a look at my list, made a minor complaint, and then basically refused to talk the rest of the game.


What was this "minor complaint?"

I mean, if this was a tournament (and one that allowed 3 superheavies), I don't see an issue with it. Normally, I'd shrug off a rude person as just being rude, but the fact that you got such a reaction from so many people...I dunno. It sets off my alarms.


It was a complaint about 3 superheavies. Not being a "real" list.


Huh. What was your sense of the other lists (aside from what you'd mentioned already)? Maybe it's something like a lot of the players at this store knew each other and had a pact between them to avoid certain things
   
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I'd say find a better place to play. These people sound awful. My local GW has its share of annoying people but nothing of that caliber. You're definitely not overreacting- those people sounded horrible.

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Sounds like some people maybe shouldn't be attending tournaments if that's not what they want to run into. I don't have any interest in tournaments for that exact reason...so I don't go. They probably need to figure out what kind of 40K they're interested in...and then pursue that instead.

 
   
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Upstate, New York

There is a reason I generally steer away from tournaments. They can bring the worst out in people. Myself included, to be honest. See how their normal play nights look, I suspect the culture might be significantly different.

But YMMV, tons of different types of people out there. But I would not let the tournament scene sour you.

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East Coast, USA

 cuda1179 wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:
Out of curiosity, what was your list?


Two Baneblades, shadowsword, two primaris pykers, 3-10 man infantry squads, hellhound, and two earthshaker platforms.

Other people's lists included:

3 Knights, and RG

Mortarion, Magnus, Lord of Skulls

Magnus, Mortarion, (can't remember the name, but Daemon Prince special character) and Renegade guard artillery

Multiple Tau Y'Vahra


If other people had multiple Lords of War, I don't see the issue. Yes, bringing multiple Lords of War to a casual event might be a little rough, but that doesn't seem to be what happened here. Next time, I'd just call the person out. "What exactly is your problem with my list? Looking around, I see lots of Lords of War in the room."

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Doesn't sound like a very sporting list, but then again thats par for the course at Tournaments especially 40K and lots of people were doing likewise so in this instance you did nothing to justify such rude behaviour.
   
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I'm going to echo what others are saying, at a tournament you should expect to run into some nasty stuff, so bring nasty stuff of your own. If there are supposed to be any restrictions, like no LoW, no FW or whatever, that should be clearly advertised and in the rules, not something you're expected to conform to just because people don't like it.

Outside of tournaments it's a completely different thing, both players should aim for a mutually enjoyable game, whether that means playing soft lists, fluffy lists, fast and loose or super cutthroat.

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Your list does sound horribly unfun, unimaginative and silly.
I would enjoy shooting the crap out of it much less than many other lists.

I'm not sure that goes any way towards excusing the behaviour of people at the event, however. Would recommend finding an alternative group.

[Perhaps filled with people who enjoy those sorts of silly games, as opposed to folk like me.]
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Denison, Iowa

It was mostly just these two guys (mostly the first one, luckily I didn't have to play him). My other opponents were super fun and friendly people. As were anyone else to talk to.

I actually had a blast getting tabled in two turns by the multi-Y'Vahra list. We both kind of knew it was going to go to whoever got the alpha-strike first turn. It was fun while it lasted, and seeing big things go boom is funny to me.

I'd be willing to try casual gaming, but I might be out of the tourney scene from now on. Seriously though, what would possess someone to insult a stranger as their initial introduction?

FYI, my usual lists are either pretty tame, or I pick random fun-to-use units that don't see much daylight, like kroot ox.
   
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Newcastle, OZ

I don't usually have to draw a line on politeness.

I draw a line on d-baggery and impoliteness. This far and no further.

My group tends to focus on fun games and DBAD (Don't be a ...) and tbh, *those* players tend to find other groups because they just don't fit in with what we want to promote.

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You ran into a couple of TFGs, that's all. Whether or not you should have objected more to their bad behavior, and risked getting shunned by the local clique for criticizing their friends, is up to you, but their behavior was inexcusable.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Oslo Norway

If you bring a list that is just not fun to play against, win or lose, (I have not played 8th, so I don´t know if your list is fun. It does not look fun from 6th edition point of view.) then you are partly to blame. The other party is responsible for being rude, and they should try to avoid it, but IMO, making a game enjoyable for yourself and your opponent starts at the list stage.

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Unfortunately our hobby has a disproportionate number of people with zero social skills. In the early 2000's I had models from my Tyranids in white dwarf .GW used other photos they took, as examples in their GT packet, for what you're models should look like to get max painting modeling scores. I was playing a casual game at the local GW with them and a guy walks up, plucks one of my models off the table, scoffs, and says they look like the came out of a happy meal. I politely told him if he wanted to continue being able to use said hand he would put my model down and walk away. Just play with the cool dudes and ignore the other ones.

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Its a strange one. If I saw that list in front of me and I was playing either a pick up game or a friendly tournament, I'd shake your hand and pack up. I know it wouldn't be a fun game so I'd just take the quick route, but still attempt to be polite. But if it's a competitive tournament then you expect that in 40k.

But even though it's a horrid list, I can't imagine why someone would think it's ok to say to a stranger that it makes you want to puke. The lack of emotional intelligence is a bit lower than the average in the wargaming hobby circle though
   
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Sounds like you played a pair of Grumpy Gus'. Get the name of the players you liked and see if you can set up some play dates at the game store with them.

Your list is not out of line in an event that featured 3 Knights, and RG AND Mortarion, Magnus, Lord of Skulls, etc.




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Thebiggesthat wrote:
The lack of emotional intelligence is a bit lower than the average in the wargaming hobby circle though


Agreed. Complete lack of emotional intelligence and self awareness on those dude's parts.

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Seattle, WA USA

For me, I don't do tournaments often mostly because there tend to be too many TFGs in that kinda scene.

From the OP, even if your list was "cheesy," that's what I expect to see at tournaments. To me it doesn't matter so much the list, but the person playing it to whether or not I have fun. Even if I'm on the winning side for any given game, if the other player is a jerk, then I don't enjoy it. Conversely, if I'm getting my bacon handed to me, but the other person is fun (meaning light hearted, joking, not being a douchecanoe), then I really don't mind at all.

The tournament scene tends to have far too many WAACers who take playing with little dudes way too seriously, and have the social awareness and form of mollusks. I don't like mollusks. I also have a very low tolerance for BS, and will walk away from games if I'm stuck with a jerk, and tell them why I'm doing so, and inform any judges (if it's an event of some kind). In so doing, though, I try to be as calm and polite as possible anyway ("I'm sorry, but I am just going to concede this game right now because I can tell we are not going to get along, and rather than aggravate both of us, I'm going to have a tea."), but I do think it's important to let event organizers know about it. Sure, if you're a newbie in the group, they may just blow you off, which tells you that you probably don't want to be a member of said group. But saying nothing means they may not know, and means the jerks get to keep being jerks without fear of consequences.
   
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Tampa, FL

To echo what others have said, your list WAS cheesy, powergaming filth. But it was a tournament, that sort of list is the norm. To call someone out for it is the pot calling the kettle black.

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Regular Dakkanaut



UK

Yeah, that's not a list I'd voluntarily play, but tournaments are about playing people with the most unfun awful lists they can possibly bring in the tabletop equivalent of rubbing your genitals with fine grade sandpaper.
So in the context of the event you were acting within the acceptable parameters of that social interaction and they were wrong to call you out on it.
It was up to the tournament organiser to ban lists like yours from making the event suck for other participants, and really the blame lies with them.

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Wayniac wrote:
To echo what others have said, your list WAS cheesy, powergaming filth.


Actually it sounds like a pretty fluffy list, representing a DKoK-style regiment as you might have seen on Vraks. Two Baneblades and a Shadowsword is a pretty fluffy superheavy company, and a supporting mix of cannon fodder infantry and artillery guns to defend the trenches works pretty well. It might be nice to see a larger support element, bringing more like 50-100 meatshield guardsmen, but that's hard to do outside of a really high-point game. The only element that could possibly be argued with is the psykers, depending on the regiment the OP is using, but "OMG YOU TOOK A BUFF HQ" is hardly something that deserves the label "cheesy powergaming filth".

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I wonder how much the other people at the tournament already knew each other, and were used to playing against those other lists. You brought something different, and some people are jerks about having to deal with anything unexpected.

They probably expect a new guy to show up with an auto-lose army and react that way to anything competitive or creative.
   
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DeLand, FL

I got pretty impolite with a guy at a tournament that had clear dice with white pips and only rolled behind terrain.

It's spelled "cavalry." NOT "calvary." 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Sounds like the norm, go check out the topic about casual vs tournament play. Half the people hate the other half for not fun vs not competive.

Truth is this hobby tends to bring in a lot of..... Lack of a better word lossers from other aspect of life. So they tend to group up and become rude.

Best thing to do find a group of friends pretend no one else is there. It is a game with toys how anyone can take it to serious is behond me.

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 Zygrot24 wrote:
I got pretty impolite with a guy at a tournament that had clear dice with white pips and only rolled behind terrain.


Ah, those guys. Did he also roll real fast and then just tell you the result? (roll roll roll) "Okay, yeah that whole terminator squad is dead", etc. Those are my favourite.

 
   
 
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