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I really think their designs are a step backwards. Size wise, I get it. Marines are much taller than the average human and their models might as well reflect it, but the actual designs and troop types are terrible. And the skull face masks for the Reivers are really out of place, especially on guys like the Ultramarines. And the normal masks are lame too. Granted I grew up with the earliest editions of 40k, so I know we've had some silly designs in the past, but I really think the look and feel of Marines really peaked in 6th-7th.

I have heard rumors that eventually the old marines will be phased out, so maybe some of what we've had in the 'normal' marines will creep into the new ones, but honestly, I have zero interest in buying any, and its kept me from buying any of the starter sets, which I normally love to do.

* Maybe I should have posted this in the 40k forum...

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The answer is no, it is always no to "Am I the only one" sorts o posts.

Also given that Ultramarine Chaplains have full on skull faced helmets.. I'm not sure what the issue with the masks are.
   
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Well, the Chaplins whole look compliments their masks. The Reivers just look out of place. On some chapters they might look right, but on many it looks silly. I assume they are meant to look terrifying in close combat, but just don't go far enough for that, and at the same time, look silly because they don't go far enough. Its like they picked up some masks from the dollar store before heading into combat because they thought it would cool.

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I don't like the helmets that much, but they are basically a better version of the MKIV one, and people love that so...

FOr the rest, your basic Intercessor isn't really any different in style than your basic Tactical. Just minor differences and better proportions.

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You're not obligated to follow the GW standard paint scheme for your Reivers. I went with full helmets and did a uniform colour on the helmet rather than the contrasting skull-face GW does, and it looks much better.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

I despise the new background and the models would be at least 87% cooler if they were just *proper* Space Marines with better size and proportions, but aside from a few minor quibbles(Reavers are silly and the layered armour can get a bit much on some models, also their vehicles are garbo) the models are very well executed.

At the very least, they provide a solid basis for converting consistently-sized truescale Proper Marines.

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I think they're hit or miss. However I definitely don't think Marines "peaked" in 6th/7th...I think that was one of their worst periods, simply from a "too much crap" perspective.

If...(sigh)...they had done one more Horus Heresy boxed game with proper plastic MkVI's...all would be right with the world.

 
   
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I think they're hit or miss. However I definitely don't think Marines "peaked" in 6th/7th...I think that was one of their worst periods, simply from a "too much crap" perspective.

If...(sigh)...they had done one more Horus Heresy boxed game with proper plastic MkVI's...all would be right with the world.

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KTG17 wrote:
I really think their designs are a step backwards. Size wise, I get it. Marines are much taller than the average human and their models might as well reflect it, but the actual designs and troop types are terrible. And the skull face masks for the Reivers are really out of place, especially on guys like the Ultramarines. And the normal masks are lame too. Granted I grew up with the earliest editions of 40k, so I know we've had some silly designs in the past, but I really think the look and feel of Marines really peaked in 6th-7th.

I have heard rumors that eventually the old marines will be phased out, so maybe some of what we've had in the 'normal' marines will creep into the new ones, but honestly, I have zero interest in buying any, and its kept me from buying any of the starter sets, which I normally love to do.

* Maybe I should have posted this in the 40k forum...


I have no problem with the basic power armored guys (Intercessors/Hellblasters/Chaplain/etc). They're just taller Marines. I think the proportions look much better. I'm not a huge fan of the lack of options on the squads. I was hoping that Intercessors would be like Tactical Marines where one guy could take a special, one guy could take a heavy and the Sarge could be kitted out however you want. What we got was a more or less fixed unit with very little wargear flexibility. I was pleased with the look and feel, but disappointed with the kit options and datasheet.

I like the look of the Aggressors/Gravis Captain. I haven't seen them used in game, but it looks like they also suffer from a lack of options.

I'm not a fan of the Inceptors. The foot skids look a bit silly to me. They seem like they'd be super awkward and unable to move around easily when grounded. Again, lack of options are a downside.

I have mixed feelings on the Repuslor. I'm not averse to the idea of a grav tank, but I really don't like the plethora of little grav plates all over the bottom. The Redemptor is ok, but I far prefer the aethetic of the Contemptor and Leviathan Dreads.

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My big issues with them are lack of options and lack of modularity. These are the main reasons I like Marines to begin with.

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They don;t bother me - they are quite nice models, bit expensive, but certianly much better, IMO than Centurions or Dreadknights.

Both of which were retconned in rather than bothering to have new fluff like Primaris.

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the models dont necessarily bother me so much, just true scale marines which works perfectly for my INQ28mm games and other such role playing (I agree the tanks are utter crap as are their "assault" troops) what really grinds my gears is the way they handled them in the lore. "Oh, your chapter is suffering massive losses? the odds are stacked against you? Here comes girlyman and his magic better marines to save the day!" new codex release... rinse and repeat.

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 supreme overlord wrote:
the models dont necessarily bother me so much, just true scale marines which works perfectly for my INQ28mm games and other such role playing (I agree the tanks are utter crap as are their "assault" troops) what really grinds my gears is the way they handled them in the lore. "Oh, your chapter is suffering massive losses? the odds are stacked against you? Here comes girlyman and his magic better marines to save the day!" new codex release... rinse and repeat.


Pretty much how Marines are normally used - Hey warriors of "X" Faction the Marines are here to kick ass and save you cos we are the best.

Why would it be different with Big Marines now coming to save Small Marines.

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I like the Primaris Marines a lot. I think they are some of the best sculpts GW has ever done and shows they are really pushing the boundaries of how you make plastic minis. I do wish they were more posable though.

I would have liked them less if I already had a marine army and suddenly all the cool new stuff was too big to match my old stuff. Luckily I had no marines before, so now I'm starting a new marine army with only primaris sized stuff

   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 supreme overlord wrote:
the models dont necessarily bother me so much, just true scale marines which works perfectly for my INQ28mm games and other such role playing (I agree the tanks are utter crap as are their "assault" troops) what really grinds my gears is the way they handled them in the lore. "Oh, your chapter is suffering massive losses? the odds are stacked against you? Here comes girlyman and his magic better marines to save the day!" new codex release... rinse and repeat.


Pretty much how Marines are normally used - Hey warriors of "X" Faction the Marines are here to kick ass and save you cos we are the best.

Why would it be different with Big Marines now coming to save Small Marines.


because it's poorly written and lazy. They could've used the Dark Angels codex as an opportunity to say "we have secrets, we dont want your magic marines in our army. time for civil war." instead they repeated the same tired story we heard with the blood angels... just lazy.

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Not overly keen on them as a concept, marines started out as humans in power armour, then humans with a bit of augmentation in power armour and they were easy to relate to.

The "super human" stuff I can leave behind.

The new models are much better proportioned though and I appreciate the way they are reasonably plan without "bling" on every smooth surface
   
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KTG17 wrote:
I really think their designs are a step backwards.


They're properly sized and far better proportioned than normal marine models - this is coming from someone who loves MkIV marines. They're not in a gorilla squat. They're NOT covered in skulls and crap (the odd purity seal I can live with). They're sculpted to actually have the room for pistol holsters and ammo packs. From an aesthetic design perspective, they're far, far better looking models.

From a game perspective, they lack options compared to regular marines. That's really the only strike against them.

   
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I really like the Primaris Marines and I don't really care about how they look different to "normal" marines.

I have a mix of the two and they each compliment each other on the table.

Fluff-wise I'm not too impressed at how they did it, but expectations weren't too high to begin with.
   
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I prefer them to the old marines. The old marines looked pretty poor when they came out several decades ago and they haven't aged well.

They have been a controversial choice, but every new model is. GW players are definitely the climax of 'dont touch my cheese' players.

The armor is better, and scale is nice. The primaris do suffer from a lack of flexibility compared to the older marines, but that was probably a nice bone for GW to throw the oldmarines players. I get my extra wound and nicer model, but that guy who hasn't bought new models since '97 still gets to feel like he has a competitive edge with his special weapons and devastator lascannon squads.

The big question is if the unique characters will get their scale upgrades. I don't want to field Azriel or Bahial (prob mispelled those) with them looking so stumpy compared to my Primaris Intercessors.

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Model wise I think they're fantastic. This is what I wish marines were like fifteen years ago!m

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I detest them, and vote with my wallet to not purchase any of them, in the hopes of dissuading GW from phasing out the old marines by continuing to support their sales.

I believe I'm in a minority however.
   
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I'm basically ok with them, with the exception of the reivers, because yeah, those skeleton faces look goofy as can be. Head swaps!

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
I think they're hit or miss. However I definitely don't think Marines "peaked" in 6th/7th...I think that was one of their worst periods, simply from a "too much crap" perspective.

If...(sigh)...they had done one more Horus Heresy boxed game with proper plastic MkVI's...all would be right with the world.

Alpha Legion would have gotten love.

We can't have that.

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I started typing a snarky respond here, mostly aimed at "Am I the only one that..." when I realized that would really not add anything to this discussion (also I am listening to christmas songs and just extremly relaxed, so no interest in souring my mood).

Regarding the topic: I can see why people don't like the Primaris as I don't think they were thought through 100%. Here's my two cents:

Model-wise I think they are fine. Arguing about subjective tastes is silly, but I think something most people can agree on in that GWs model's quality has risen quite drastically. The Primaris are fine models, even when I don't like some things personally. Again, quite subjective, so no hard feelings here.

What I don't quite enjoy is the introduction. With Cadia fallen and the divided Imperium it set up a really nice, even more dystopian plot for the 42nd millenium. I even think that Guiliman's return was interesting in that advent. Even seeing his quite sizable force melting on his way from Ultramar to Terra just fit in (with the exception of their capture by the Red Corsairs... pretty sure they would have become new deco for all their spikes instantly, but that is not topic here).
But then... In all this great shake-up, Cawl just says: "Oh, nearly forgot, take all these super-duper Marines you ordered 10000 years back. Want them now, I think I have them stored somewhere here!" Honestly, wouldn't it kind of... I don't know, attract attention if Cawl just stored a couple thousand better-Marines on Mars and some random labs, training and equipping them? Why didn't he unleashed them during some of the other times of need? War of the Beast? Age of Apostasy? Wars for Armageddon? I don't know, 13th Black Crusade? Was he really that sure that Guiliman will just finish physiotherapy and lead again? Also, is it really feasible for a Tech-guy to live that long?

Ok, I thought when I heard about all that, fine, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt seeing as these Primaris will probably have some Lamenters-inspired flaw.
Oh, they don't. They are just better. Oh, and they don't get swayed to Chaos because they are THAT loyal?

I am sorry, that is just LAME. The status quo did NOT change with all that stuff. Imperium's pretty much on the same stage as before: Said to be on the brink of destruction, but holding up quite well.
Seriously, there has to be SOME flaw with theses guys. Not just: They are Space Marines, so they are incredibly rare and a valuable resource! Give me something. Would love some Thunder Warriors-shenanigans: Super powerful, but short-lived and rather violent. Anything, really.

Now to the additions themselves. I want to add some things to them, both rule-wise and fluff-wise.

- I don't like the restricitions for wargear. On all of them. Sure, there probably are fewer combinations of stuff that are worth it then I think there are, some of mine are probably horrid and I just sink way to many points in my dudes... But that is a substantial part for me! Why can't a Primaris captain have on Power Hammer? Why no special pistols? They introduced grav pistols only a couple of years back.
- Next up is Gravis armor. I don't think that was thought through. Big bulky, better armored suit of PA that is a bit slower then the regular thing? Squads wearing these armors have power fists with bolt weapons with a high rate of fire? Now where did see that again?
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Gravis is, for me, something that is too similar to Terminator armor, a type of armor that is so iconic for the Space Marines it isn't funny anymore.
Also, don't like the look of neither the thing itself nor the look of the boltstorm fists. Subjective, but still.
- Hellblasters are... kind of odd. I am not a fan of disregarding all the cool types of weapons. Why only plasma? I would have a lot less problems with them if they had a super-lascannon, a hyper-heavy bolter, something, really. They definitely do kick their opponents backside, sure, but once again, a bit more variety would be fine (I am aware they actually have 3 weapons, but they still all obliterate all with plasma).
- Reivers are actually a cool concept, finally a unit set on sneaking apart from scouts. But... their rules feel a tad... lacking. I don't really see their points. Maybe there is a gimmick I don't have discovered yet (probably has somehting to do with their morale decreasing super-scary skull masks). Model-wise, they are fine and I really want a box of them to set up.
- Inceptors really have grown on me. At first, I did not like their look, but that has changed. I really like their jump-pack-based-mobile-firepower niche and I will definitely get a couple of them (with attack bolters, I think the plasma guns look silly. Also, more plasma..). But what I pretty much decided for myself is that I'll head canon their "dropped from lower orbit"-thing. So, Thunderhawks will have to carry and drop them. Still, I really like these guys.
- The Redemptor Dread is rather intruiging, especially since it comes with a plausible flaw! *gasp* Minor nitpick I have with them is their still a bit lacking customization. Plasma and gatling. Well, at least something!
- The Repulsor ist... odd in my eyes. I can see the appeal, but when I first saw it I actually thought it would be some kind of looted vehicle by the Orks, with all that dakka on there. Ok, I was wrong there, but still... If I get one of these times, I will probably heavily convert this thing and reduce the amount of guns on that thing. Rule-wise, they are ok, I have more a problem with the fact that all vehicles are either Primaris- or Oldmarine exclusive. I don't really see the point, but hey, I probably will only field a small amount of Primaris, so no big deal in my eyes.

Ok, that got more rant-y than I expected. Oh well. Guess a TLR: Primaris are for me model-wise pretty cool, rule-wise mediocre to not-thought-fully-through and fluff-wise pretty stupid and a bit too deus-ex-machina.

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3 words "New York Giants" that is one of the weird reasons I despise the primaris, I cant look at that stupid helmet (with gws paint scheme) and not think of the loathed giants. otherwise the kneepads and the size, not a big fan of the backpacks either. the other primaris types I just think look ridiculous. and I dont like the scale creep in models for my 6x4 board. fluff wise there is nothing about primaris i dont think sucks ass.
   
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I absolutely fething adore the Primaris marines and would happily never use an old marine ever again if that was an option. Unfortunately not really an option for my Space Wolves (too many bikes and wolf cavalry with no Primaris option), but I have a UM army in the works that is all Primaris all the time.

That said, I agree about both the Primaris Helmets and the Reiver helmets. I swapped out to the regular MK8 helmets on every single one of the heads, including the Gravis and Inceptor models. For Reivers I ordered resin bare heads w/ berets from puppetswar, the skull masks don't do a lot for me (although they'd make for EXCELLENT chaplain helmets!)

But yeah, the Primaris marines are so much better than regular marines it makes me a little sad that they aren't completely replacing the entire line.

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How compatible are the larger Primaris Marines with parts from other Kits, like helmets, shoulder pads etc?


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Mark IV helmets are the best helmets.


I'm a Raven Guard player, so I have to disagree and propose the Mark V beaky helmets.

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How compatible are the larger Primaris Marines with parts from other Kits, like helmets, shoulder pads etc?


The helmets and shoulder pads are completely interchangeable (the shoulder pads may need some cutting to remove since at the least the DI primaris have them cast on). They're actually the same size as all other marines, which contributes to the primaris looking better scaled.

Other elements like the arms or legs would obviously be way too big for old marines.
   
 
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