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Only real surprise is that they announced it before announcing Jessica Jones being axed. I liked the series but pretty sure Disney is taking its ball and going home.

Looks like I’ll be cancelling my Netflix then, i struggle to find anything worth watching on there these days

Travelers and Last Kingdom are totally worth watching. Plus Office on repeat.

Sad they are cancelling all the Marvel stuff but honestly I've become mostly disinterested. Every series but Punisher felt 2-3 episodes to long.

Well lets hope Disney + does pick them up. Daredevil 3 was full on great.

 Ahtman wrote:
Only real surprise is that they announced it before announcing Jessica Jones being axed.

They won't announce that 'til after it's 3rd season has aired. Same goes for Punisher season 2.

No one wants the press of "Watch this new season of this show we just cancelled!!!".

I was expecting this. And official announcement or not, anyone who doesn’t expect JJ and Punisher to be canceled after their seasons is a fool.

Not entirely surprising, still think fragmentation of streaming services is going to be interesting over the next few years, any idea how much Disney is going to be p/m ?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Travelers and Last Kingdom are totally worth watching. Plus Office on repeat.

Sad they are cancelling all the Marvel stuff but honestly I've become mostly disinterested. Every series but Punisher felt 2-3 episodes to long.

apparently Netflix has been pushing to try and drop the marvel stuff to 10 episode seasons but Marvel TV wasn't open to that idea so even if Disney takes them up they're likely to stay that length

https://deadline.com/2018/11/daredevil-canceled-netflix-3-seasons-1202511521/

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Not entirely surprising, still think fragmentation of streaming services is going to be interesting over the next few years, any idea how much Disney is going to be p/m ?

Piracy will just run rampant again. I know half a dozen people who used to be incorrigible file sharers, but who bought in to the centralised, high-value model that streaming initially promised. Unlike the music industry, it seems the TV & film industries are refusing to learn the lesson and will just make the same mistakes all over again - every company demanding tribute for access to their own little shallow pools in their own little bare walled gardens, and large numbers of people will say "feth you then pal" and just download it all for nothing. And I'm not arguing whether that's "moral" or not, it's just a fact - people only have so much disposable income, and if you take the piss they will spend it elsewhere and enjoy your content anyway.

But, as usual, companies would rather have 100% of some rancid floor-crumbs than reasonably share a nice big pie between them.


As to the Netflix Marvel stuff, it's a shame. Even when they weren't great, or dragged a little, I still enjoyed them and don't regret the time I spent with any of them. Hopefully Disney will pick up the same creative team & actors to produce something for Hulu, maybe a Heroes for Hire series or another run of Defenders.

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But, as usual, companies would rather have 100% of some rancid floor-crumbs than reasonably share a nice big pie between them.

I’m a bit off on timing, and plan to binge it all with my wife. What is the viewing order we should do? Of ALL the Defender stuff.

Shock.

All Marvel properties will go to the Disney streaming service.

Part of me wants to believe that they had a story to tell with DD, and are done with him, and want to move on. And, for the record, I thought the DD series was great, EASILY the best of the marvel netflix series, including the punisher, sadly.

But they're probably just going to keep milking it for all its worth on the disney streaming service.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I’m a bit off on timing, and plan to binge it all with my wife. What is the viewing order we should do? Of ALL the Defender stuff.

Dardevil is the best by FAR. Great story and characters. I also love their depiction of Kingpin.

Jessica Jones was surprisingly good. Didn't know anything about her, but it was a great, if a bit dark, show.

Punisher was ok (which is dissapointing to me, because I love the punisher).

Luke cage is decent, but overall kind of forgettable.

Iron Fist is laughably bad. The only part of it I enjoyed is how everyone keeps telling the main character how bad an Iron Fist is and how he's basically a child, and they're proven correct over and over again.

The defenders show is overall ok. But if you had to pick one to binge with limited time, 100% daredevil.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
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But, as usual, companies would rather have 100% of some rancid floor-crumbs than reasonably share a nice big pie between them.

QFT good sir

But that whole wild overspending requiring unfeasible sales worked for the video games market...

Before long companies will be created that work out deals with each of the streaming providers that offer bundles of different services to customers at a lower price than subscribing to each of them effectively recreating the cable industry they’ve been destroying.

Punisher is the only show of the mix worth watching, I watched S2 of daredevil just for the punisher interactions. I had high hopes for Luke cage, but it was forgettable, especially the main villains. I’m probably in the minority here for saying it’s about time they can these gak shows.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I’m a bit off on timing, and plan to binge it all with my wife. What is the viewing order we should do? Of ALL the Defender stuff.

I'd go DD S1, JJ S1, DD S2, Punisher S1, Defenders, JJ S2, DD S3

Yes this omits Ironfist and Cage but both had fairly weak first seasons and whilst their second seasons are better they are still the weaker shows of the bunch

 Easy E wrote:
Shock.

All Marvel properties will go to the Disney streaming service.

The Disney stuff isn't going to carry R rated material. These shows are now essentially dead with no hope of resurrection in their current form. In fact, the cancellation produced comments stating that DD will be available on Netflix for years to come.

These cancellations look more and more like Netflix deciding not to promote the IP of a soon to be major competitor and little to do with Disney.

maybe but I wouldn't put it past them to tone it down to CW level and then not understand why nobody is subbing, will be especially fun if they try get round Jessica's drinking the way Constantines smoking is dealt with

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I’m a bit off on timing, and plan to binge it all with my wife. What is the viewing order we should do? Of ALL the Defender stuff.

Do you want to watch all releveant shows or just ones we liked? The latter will vary from person to person.

Personally I would go for Daredevil Series 1 (Solid show),
Daredevil Series 2 (best of 3 I have seen),
Defenders (started strong and gets pretty bad half way and never really recovers)
Punisher (Very solid show - it is extremely violent -esop at the end - not Sparticus violent but getting there.
Daredevil 3 (not bad)

Missing out Jessica Jones - did not enjoy too depressing and found the main villan annoying. Sad as I quite liked the main character and her radio show friend. A friend of mine wsa also not impressed but she sited too much soft porn in it
Not watched Iron Fist or Luke Cage - neither engaged me in Defenders

Shame they are killing them off on Neftlix but so much stuff to watch on all channels/Services.

Knew this was coming because disney.. I wonder if the devs did too.. I kinda felt like season 3 kinda wrapped up DD's story in the end. Would be cool if they can all find a home on another network or whatever.

Gonna skip Luke Cage; watched half and hated it. I watched when stuff first came out, then put it on hold. So I saw DD S1&2, JJ1, IF in full. Just wanted to update myself on all viewing order since I missed defenders and punisher and wanted stuff in proper order from there.

 Necros wrote:
Knew this was coming because disney.. I wonder if the devs did too.. I kinda felt like season 3 kinda wrapped up DD's story in the end. Would be cool if they can all find a home on another network or whatever.

The show runner had pitched DD S4 already. If they suspected S3 was the end, they certainly weren't certain.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Knew this was coming because disney.. I wonder if the devs did too.. I kinda felt like season 3 kinda wrapped up DD's story in the end. Would be cool if they can all find a home on another network or whatever.

The show runner had pitched DD S4 already. If they suspected S3 was the end, they certainly weren't certain.

I assume they would not be able to carry on elsewhere without a new deal with Disney who may want to do their own new versions.

Depends on the agreement between Netflix and Disney. But as NF will continue to show the existing and still to air content, implying they've still got control of that specific iteration, one assumes they won't simply be able to lift the show wholesale to another network like some shows do after cancellation.

It seems that DD does feature in Punisher 2 though, as there's various "it's not over yet" type hints floating about.

Not suprised by this really. But then again Netflix is something I hardly use anymore seeing how its mostly unintresting their content is at the moment.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Unlike the music industry, it seems the TV & film industries are refusing to learn the lesson and will just make the same mistakes all over again - every company demanding tribute for access to their own little shallow pools in their own little bare walled gardens, and large numbers of people will say "feth you then pal" and just download it all for nothing. And I'm not arguing whether that's "moral" or not, it's just a fact - people only have so much disposable income, and if you take the piss they will spend it elsewhere and enjoy your content anyway.

I look to the recent changes we've had in television here in Australia.

Since 1995, Australia has had a single cable or "pay TV" provider - Foxtel. That's just the way it was. They ported over a bunch of various channels from around the place (National Geographic, lots of Comedy Central stuff) plus had movie channels, FoxSports and so on. They were the only option, and many complained that as they were the only place to get all this stuff they basically had a monopoly.

Around 2015 we started getting a few extras, so now we have homegrown STAN, and also Netflix. Instantly various content began getting taken off Foxtel and put onto those two, then those two started getting their exclusives. Want 'Better Call Saul?', well you need STAN for that. Arrow is on Netflix, but Supergirl is on Foxtel. Have fun keeping up with the crossovers there!

So it's a 'be careful what you wish for' scenario. We didn't want Foxtel being the only provider, and now we have enough that people miss out because it's harder to get all of them. I can only imagine what it'll be like when Disney+ and the others make it down here...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Unlike the music industry, it seems the TV & film industries are refusing to learn the lesson and will just make the same mistakes all over again - every company demanding tribute for access to their own little shallow pools in their own little bare walled gardens, and large numbers of people will say "feth you then pal" and just download it all for nothing. And I'm not arguing whether that's "moral" or not, it's just a fact - people only have so much disposable income, and if you take the piss they will spend it elsewhere and enjoy your content anyway.

I look to the recent changes we've had in television here in Australia.

Since 1995, Australia has had a single cable or "pay TV" provider - Foxtel. That's just the way it was. They ported over a bunch of various channels from around the place (National Geographic, lots of Comedy Central stuff) plus had movie channels, FoxSports and so on. They were the only option, and many complained that as they were the only place to get all this stuff they basically had a monopoly.

Around 2015 we started getting a few extras, so now we have homegrown STAN, and also Netflix. Instantly various content began getting taken off Foxtel and put onto those two, then those two started getting their exclusives. Want 'Better Call Saul?', well you need STAN for that. Arrow is on Netflix, but Supergirl is on Foxtel. Have fun keeping up with the crossovers there!

So it's a 'be careful what you wish for' scenario. We didn't want Foxtel being the only provider, and now we have enough that people miss out because it's harder to get all of them. I can only imagine what it'll be like when Disney+ and the others make it down here...

I mean yeah, that's the other side of things, but there's a happy medium between one provider, and however many we end up with. I mean so far we have Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Disney, DC, HBO, CBS, and Warner has just announced one as well. Before long you'd need to spend a hundred quid a month on sub fees to access that content, and even if you try to pick & choose most people are going to have favourite shows spread over two or three services at least, it's a joke, and will only get worse as more smaller companies get delusions of Disney and think they can bring down Netflix with the one brand they have that people like and whatever back-catalogue of snoreworthy procedurals they have floating around in their archives.

People can argue capitalism works based on human nature all they like, but when you get to the corporate level it creates some outcomes that look really fething bizarre, to this human anyway.

It's not anything unusual, it's just how markets work.

You first get the innovators, running ahead of the curve, sometimes even to the point of ridicule.

Once the innovators prove the concept then everyone jumps on the bandwagon with their offering. This is where we're at now.

Finally, once the market matures, the number of serious players consolidates down and the others either go out of business or are absorbed by the big fish. Usually once you get to this point there'll also be room for certain rebel brands who manage to carve out a big enough niche by capitalizing on the cracks that the big players are leaving.

How long we spend in each phase is pretty much unique to the market, but the process is almost always visible should you look at any given industry.

I don't mind super hero shows. But Dardevil (watched S1 & half 2), Punisher (watched S1), Iron Fist (watched S1 &2), Black Lightning (half an episode), Jessica Jones (watched like 3 episodes), Luke Cage (watched like an episode and a half), Defenders (watched all) etc etc. These shows have not been that enjoyable tbh. Watched the first season or so of some of these (some of them couldn't get through an episode and turned it off or maybe a few episodes to give it a chance, but you know how bad it will be or if I say watched S1 & 2 majority of the episodes are fast forwarding through the crap) and you know that it is just a photocopy story arc of every other one. The character development, the trials/betrayal they go through and their responses, the story arc etc is so standardised now days.

On Netflix's I have found Frontier enjoyable, I liked The Expanse and Killjoy's is fun. There is a show called Taboo which is great (can't remember if on Netflixs). These are different genre's but are 10x better than the stereotype storyline superhero stuff they are spewing out atm.