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Is the Emperor a human supremacist partly because he is human and wants his species to rule? Sort of like baddies (villains, jackasses and so on in case you did not know) such as Hitler believed their race should rule.

I would want to know. Some people have said he is who he is because aliens betrayed humanity in the Age of Strife, but I mostly thought it was because he thinks humans are better than other species.

It’s both, he thinks humans have a manifest destiny to rule the stars and that aliens cannot be trusted, purge the Xenos, mutant and the heretic.

I view it as a combination of wanting to empower humanity and try to starve/kill the chaos gods. As far as we can tell his ideal plan was the following, conquer every world, force the Imperial Truth on to everyone, reduce humanities need for psykers as much as practically possible and take control of the webway. Xenos had no place in that plan and so they needed to go. Hence mass genocide.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I view it as a combination of wanting to empower humanity and try to starve/kill the chaos gods. As far as we can tell his ideal plan was the following, conquer every world, force the Imperial Truth on to everyone, reduce humanities need for psykers as much as practically possible and take control of the webway. Xenos had no place in that plan and so they needed to go. Hence mass genocide.

And he planned for humanity to psychically evolve, as Master of Mankind shows.

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Imperium-Guy-Haley/dp/1784966649

https://www.amazon.com/Master-Mankind-Horus-Heresy/dp/1784965367

+The webway. Mankind is ascending, Ra. Humanity is taking a great developmental step, evolving into a psychic race. Uncontrolled psykers are lodestones for the warp’s touch. A species comprising them would suffer as the eldar suffered. And for the eldar, this evolutionary juncture was their final step before destruction. I will not let humanity be destroyed by the same fate. The eldar had the answers within their grasp but were too naive and too proud to save themselves. They had the webway, which could have been their salvation. But they never fully severed their connection to the warp. Their soulfires drew damnation upon their entire species.’

Ra knew this, yet never had it been related to him in these exact words, flavoured as they were by the promise of prophecy. With the webway, humanity would need no Navigators. They would never need to rely on the unreliable warp-whispers of astropaths. Vessels would never enter the warp to be lost or torn apart by the entities that dwelt within it. But the eldar had done the same, had they not?

+No. They eradicated their reliance on the warp but they never severed their species’ connection to it. I will do that for humanity, once and for all.+

Ra twisted in the nothingness, turning to stare at the light of so many distant stars. He faced Terra without knowing how he knew its direction, only knowing that he was right. One of those pinprick starlights was Sol, so far away.

+I have conquered humanity’s cradle-world. I have conquered the galaxy, in order to shape mankind’s development as it at last evolves into a psychic race. No isolated pockets of our species may remain free, lest in their ignorance they invite destruction upon us all. I have shattered the hold of faith and fear over the human mind. Superstition and religion must continue to be outlawed, for they are easy doors for the warp’s denizens to enter the human heart. This is what we have already done. And soon I will offer humanity a way of interstellar travel without reliance upon Geller fields and Navigators. I will offer them means of communicating between worlds without reliance on the warp-dreams of astropaths. And when the Imperium shields the entire species within the laws of my Pax Imperialis, when humanity is freed from the warp and united beneath my vision, I can at last shepherd mankind’s growth into a psychic race.+

The primarchs, thought Ra. The Thunder Legion. The Unification Wars. The Great Crusade. The Space Marine Legions. The Imperial Truth. The Webway Project. The Black Ships, with psykers huddled in the holds, watched over by the Silent Sisterhood. It is all about– +Control. Tyranny is not the end, Ra. Absolute control is but the means to the end.+

The hubris… Ra couldn’t fight the insidiously treacherous thought, to see the hidden depths of his master’s ambitions. The sheer, unrivalled hubris.

+The necessity.+ The Emperor’s voice was iced iron. +Not arrogance. Not vainglory. Necessity. I have already told you, Ra. Humans need rulers. Now you see why. A single murder is on one end of the spectrum, for rulers bring law. The hope of the entire race is at the far end of the continuum, for I – as ruler – bring salvation.+

The emperor had a realistic view. Every intelligent species would place it's interests above any other species. Given a chance any intelligent species would benefit itself at the expense of another species.

I do not believe the emperor actually hated xenos species for their wholly natural and understandable self centered views as he wanted the best for his species above all else too.

He would p! ace humanity above any other species but as long as a xenos race did not pose an unacceptable risk he might allow it to survive.

When the Iimperium encounter the grossly xenos Laer, they were offered a chance to survive as an imperium protectorate to make sure they did not pose a threats it was only after the skaanesh corrupted Lear told fulgrim where to shove the Imperium's offer than xenocide was declared on them.

(Side note: if only the big E had trusted his sons with information on chaos, fulgrim may have recognized the all too obvious signs of slaaneshi corruption and absolutely never have taken the daemon possessed blade of he Laer as his personal weapon...)

It may be possible to allow most eldar to exist as they are not a growing population and unlikely expand into your world but even then they can't be fully trusted, but are still to advanced and powerful to easily destroy so it might be somewhat less risky to keep an eye on them. (Except the dark elder. Nuke those sadistic scum.)

Orks exist to fight and cannot be coexisted with obviously.

Races with the Tau may be coexisted with as long as you can resist their efforts to assimilate you.

The emperor outs humanity first and views other species as threatens or competitors of various levels that must be evaluated for their risk factor and eradicated if it is too high, allowed to exist on human terms if they are not a significant risk.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
The emperor had a realistic view. Every intelligent species would place it's interests above any other species. Given a chance any intelligent species would benefit itself at the expense of another species.

I do not believe the emperor actually hated xenos species for their wholly natural and understandable self centered views as he wanted the best for his species above all else too.

He would p! ace humanity above any other species but as long as a xenos race did not pose an unacceptable risk he might allow it to survive.

When the Iimperium encounter the grossly xenos Laer, they were offered a chance to survive as an imperium protectorate to make sure they did not pose a threats it was only after the skaanesh corrupted Lear told fulgrim where to shove the Imperium's offer than xenocide was declared on them.

(Side note: if only the big E had trusted his sons with information on chaos, fulgrim may have recognized the all too obvious signs of slaaneshi corruption and absolutely never have taken the daemon possessed blade of he Laer as his personal weapon...)

It may be possible to allow most eldar to exist as they are not a growing population and unlikely expand into your world but even then they can't be fully trusted, but are still to advanced and powerful to easily destroy so it might be somewhat less risky to keep an eye on them. (Except the dark elder. Nuke those sadistic scum.)

Orks exist to fight and cannot be coexisted with obviously.

Races with the Tau may be coexisted with as long as you can resist their efforts to assimilate you.

The emperor outs humanity first and views other species as threatens or competitors of various levels that must be evaluated for their risk factor and eradicated if it is too high, allowed to exist on human terms if they are not a significant risk.

Make them protectorates? Like how the Council of Terra thought about making the Laer a protectorate on pg.28 in the Fulgrim book?

Honestly the eldar are too powerful as a species to put under imperial dominion and trykngtk extermi ate them might be a real risk, they could really f up the imperium if they wanted. You might have to accept them on a "we can both hurt each other more than it's worth risking" basis.

The tau might be able to defend themselves more than itcs worth risking to fight them. If this y heavily fortified they main systems with extremely powerful weapon platforms you kght be better off leaving them alone.

It might not be worth attacking an enemy of the level of the eldar or tau if they refused human dominance as even if you win you leave yourself open to an attack from the Orks while you're weakened from your "victory"...

I think it was stated in one of the HH books that the 'suffer not the alien to live' ideology did not originally come out of any innate hatred of aliens, but the fact that the vast majority of alien races that humans encountered early on were hostile, and then later, the idea took on a life of its own.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I think it was stated in one of the HH books that the 'suffer not the alien to live' ideology did not originally come out of any innate hatred of aliens, but the fact that the vast majority of alien races that humans encountered early on were hostile, and then later, the idea took on a life of its own.

Everyone seems to forget that the humans formed something analogous to the federation from star trek during the DAOT. We were very friendly with xenos and accepted them. Until the rebellion of the men of iron happened and all of the alien species we had allied previously all turned on us at once and dogpiled on us in an attempt to genocide humanity. Turns out they were all secretly terrified of us and were just waiting for a chance to collectively wipe us out because they didn't want us to dominate the galaxy.

This is where the "suffer not the xeno" mentality came from. We previously trusted aliens and it almost destroyed us as a species, the emperor was not going to let us make the same mistake again. All of the xenos had to be wiped out, even the ones that were supposedly "friendly" with us. With the future of humankind at stake it isn't worth taking chances.

Really, the xenophobia of the Imperium of Man exists for arguably legitimate reasons, the xenos of the galaxy brought it on themselves.

w1zard wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I think it was stated in one of the HH books that the 'suffer not the alien to live' ideology did not originally come out of any innate hatred of aliens, but the fact that the vast majority of alien races that humans encountered early on were hostile, and then later, the idea took on a life of its own.

Everyone seems to forget that the humans formed something analogous to the federation from star trek during the DAOT. We were very friendly with xenos and accepted them. Until the rebellion of the men of iron happened and all of the alien species we had allied previously all turned on us at once and dogpiled on us in an attempt to genocide humanity. Turns out they were all secretly terrified of us and were just waiting for a chance to collectively wipe us out because they didn't want us to dominate the galaxy.

This is where the "suffer not the xeno" mentality came from. We previously trusted aliens and it almost destroyed us as a species, the emperor was not going to let us make the same mistake again. All of the xenos had to be wiped out, even the ones that were supposedly "friendly" with us. With the future of humankind at stake it isn't worth taking chances.

Really, the xenophobia of the Imperium of Man exists for arguably legitimate reasons, the xenos of the galaxy brought it on themselves.

Not all aliens did that, just enough for the Emperor decide he is done with them.

And I mostly thought the Emperor is a human supremacist because he thinks humans are better than other species.

Onething123456 wrote:
Not all aliens did that, just enough for the Emperor decide he is done with them.

You're technically right, not all of them, but most of them to the point where it would be splitting hairs to have an issue with saying "pretty much all of them".

w1zard wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
Not all aliens did that, just enough for the Emperor decide he is done with them.

You're technically right, not all of them, but most of them to the point where it would be splitting hairs to have an issue with saying "pretty much all of them".

Yes. And I am surprised anyone would be enough of a fool to believe what Erebus said in False Gods about the Emperor wanting to sacrifice humanity to be a God. Its just a lie Erebus spewed to manipulate Horus. Horus didn't even believe him, as his talk with Magnus showed (and this was when Magnus was there telling him not to listen to Horus).

On topic, yes.

It may also be a way to try to thwart the Chaos Gods once and for all.

Using the 500 Hundred Worlds Of Ultramar as an example, we see the Emperor’s intended vision. That sort of human unity is what he was after. An Empire Of Plenty, where many reasons for conflict are removed entirely.

Remove the need for conflict, and you get something close to a Utopia, where no-one needs or wants for anything. With that done, there’s less room for the Chaos Gods to get their claws in.

Annihilate all other Xenos Species...and, well. That’s also less conflict. Man left alone to pursue his Utopian life, eventually starving the Chaos Gods of worshippers, devotees and souls.

This theory also ties into the intent of The Imperial Truth. If you can convince everyone there’s nothing Beyond The Veil looking to give you a nice present and easy power, nobody is going to go looking for them in the first place.

It seems mostly to be racial theories of supremacism and manifest destiny on a species level. Sure, some Xenos betrayed mankind, if not many of them, but most of the humans betrayed each other in the Age of Strife and turned to warring factions on Earth. Hardly indicative of an inability to make alliances, and the success of the T'au Empire doubles down on that. Hell, even on that, it definitely wasn't Xenos betrayal that ended the Emperor, so it's pretty clear that the line of "You can't trust Xenos!" wasn't a rational choice but an emotional one, although the fact that the Xenos races that tend to spread the most are the most predatory ones doesn't hurt that idea.

The Emperor was more of a fan of the whole "Manifest destiny" view, with humans ruling over the galaxy as he believed they deserved to.

The imperium is a very conservative organization, and conservative organizations tend to like simple ideas and solutions!. Exterminating all xenos is the simplest way to protect humanity, hence they favor it. Plus a new war helps with population pressures, opens up new worlds to settle and exploit, etc.

 Solar-powered_chainsword wrote:
"You can't trust Xenos!" wasn't a rational choice but an emotional one...

An emotional choice with very real rational roots, as distasteful as they are. Every race is always going to work in their best interest, and no race can be realistically expected to prioritize another race over their own. I think to the emperor and the majority of the humans who helped architect the great crusade, it was safer just to wipe them all out... we went the whole "trust and build alliances" thing before and it almost destroyed us as a species.

The only reason the Tau aren't a fractured mess is because of the mind control influence of the ethereals. If you think the Tau are some sort of peaceful, democratic alliance that respects the rights of its members and wants to unite the galaxy in harmony, I have a bridge to sell you in Florida.

I can see where the parallels between the Emperor and leaders like Hitler can come into place.

However, I think there's a very real difference between the two, and that is that the Emperor actually had a valid reason to believe that humans were at threat from other races.

Considering that, as stated above, humanity used to have peaceful relationships with xenos races until those races all tried to exterminate humanity when they were weak, it shows that the alien races of 40k simply cannot be trusted. The only ones that could, from what I see are the T'au (and that's only if the Ethereal Caste were removed from the picture) potentially the Laer, and the Interex. Even then, there's no way to prove for a fact that they would be faithful, and the Emperor is a pragmatist above all else.

Considering that, as stated above, humanity used to have peaceful relationships with xenos races until those races all tried to exterminate humanity when they were weak, it shows that the alien races of 40k simply cannot be trusted.

Thats... universally from biased narrators. There isn't any real evidence that many (let alone 'most' or 'all') aliens tried to exterminate humanity. Just a lot of assertions from folks already in the Cult of Humanity Ascendent, repeating their rote 'history' lessons.

Voss wrote:

Considering that, as stated above, humanity used to have peaceful relationships with xenos races until those races all tried to exterminate humanity when they were weak, it shows that the alien races of 40k simply cannot be trusted.

Thats... universally from biased narrators. There isn't any real evidence that many (let alone 'most' or 'all') aliens tried to exterminate humanity. Just a lot of assertions from folks already in the Cult of Humanity Ascendent, repeating their rote 'history' lessons.

Are you certain about that? The Forgewold books show that. As do some of the Horus Heresy books.

The Forgeworld books say the Crusade freed billions from alien slavers. And the Rangdan destroyed planets and a Legion.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nephilim


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Voss, do you have proof for what you say?

Do you know there were alien slavers around Saturn and Jupiter.?

First, you said it was a supposition, and currently you are saying something different. Do I detect a contradiction?

This has been explained to you over and over again. The whole "Suffer not the alien to live" thing is propaganda. Like all good propaganda it's rooted in a small measure of truth. Some alien races were indeed simply hostile, others probably made hostile by humanity's interactions with them, and others are peaceful. The presence of some hostile aliens, such as the Rangdan or the alien slavers in our own solar system that you constantly bring up, does not prove that all aliens were hostile. The fact we know humanity used to co-exist with alien civilisations during the DAOT shows that some aliens are not automatically hostile towards humans. The fact many turned on humanity during the DAOT is probably more down to humanity's actions than the aliens themselves.

You don't seem to understand how evidence works. You cited a single source about the Nephilim as proof all aliens are hostile. All that link proves is that the Nephilim were hostile. It would take a lot more evidence than that to support your position that all aliens were hostile.

Slipspace wrote:
This has been explained to you over and over again. The whole "Suffer not the alien to live" thing is propaganda. Like all good propaganda it's rooted in a small measure of truth. Some alien races were indeed simply hostile, others probably made hostile by humanity's interactions with them, and others are peaceful. The presence of some hostile aliens, such as the Rangdan or the alien slavers in our own solar system that you constantly bring up, does not prove that all aliens were hostile. The fact we know humanity used to co-exist with alien civilisations during the DAOT shows that some aliens are not automatically hostile towards humans. The fact many turned on humanity during the DAOT is probably more down to humanity's actions than the aliens themselves.

You don't seem to understand how evidence works. You cited a single source about the Nephilim as proof all aliens are hostile. All that link proves is that the Nephilim were hostile. It would take a lot more evidence than that to support your position that all aliens were hostile.

I did not say all aliens are hostile. I said enough of them are for the Emperor to decide he is done with them.


And many aliens did betray humanity in the Age of Strife, but not all.

Slipspace wrote:
The fact many turned on humanity during the DAOT is probably more down to humanity's actions than the aliens themselves.

I don't think that is correct.

All of the lore I have ever read about the DAOT heavily implied that the majority of the alien species that allied with humanity initially did so out of fear and awe. DAOT humans were extremely powerful (moreso than the IOM), and had technology rivaling that of even the eldar. The second the xenos saw we were weak (after the men of iron rebellion) they pretty much collectively tried to genocide us for fear that we would recover and dominate (culturally and technologically) the galaxy like we were on track to do before the rebellion. Basically, humanity reached out and trusted the xeno races when we were at our most vulnerable and got stabbed in the back for our troubles.

The condition of the human race as of the 41st millennium (stagnant technology because we are distrustful of science due to the men of iron rebellion, and extreme xenophobia) is because we nearly went extinct and it traumatized us as a species. We are so xenophobic because to be otherwise is to invite destruction, and the proof of that is in the history books metaphorically speaking.

The emperor's "humans only, and murder everything else" dogma may be insane and immoral, but look where it has gotten us. We are pretty much tied with the orks for the title of "most dominant race in the galaxy" because we've killed pretty much anyone else who could remotely challenge us.

w1zard wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
The fact many turned on humanity during the DAOT is probably more down to humanity's actions than the aliens themselves.

I don't think that is correct.

All of the lore I have ever read about the DAOT heavily implied that the majority of the alien species that allied with humanity initially did so out of fear and awe. DAOT humans were extremely powerful (moreso than the IOM), and had technology rivaling that of even the eldar. The second the xenos saw we were weak (after the men of iron rebellion) they pretty much collectively tried to genocide us for fear that we would recover and dominate (culturally and technologically) the galaxy like we were on track to do before the rebellion. Basically, humanity reached out and trusted the xeno races when we were at our most vulnerable and got stabbed in the back for our troubles.

Considering the number of human world and mini empire that existed during the Age of Strife, I find the idea that xenos were exterminating humans unlikely. Plus, considering Warp Travel was almost impossible during hte Age of Strife and only in short distence like in closely clustered worlds like Ultramar for example. This mass genocide would have been largely impossible. There is no doubt though that many worlds fell prey to xenos, but far to few to threaten humanity's existence. The Great Crusade didn,t so much conquered new worlds more than it re-united the scattered human planet.

epronovost wrote:

w1zard wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
The fact many turned on humanity during the DAOT is probably more down to humanity's actions than the aliens themselves.

I don't think that is correct.

All of the lore I have ever read about the DAOT heavily implied that the majority of the alien species that allied with humanity initially did so out of fear and awe. DAOT humans were extremely powerful (moreso than the IOM), and had technology rivaling that of even the eldar. The second the xenos saw we were weak (after the men of iron rebellion) they pretty much collectively tried to genocide us for fear that we would recover and dominate (culturally and technologically) the galaxy like we were on track to do before the rebellion. Basically, humanity reached out and trusted the xeno races when we were at our most vulnerable and got stabbed in the back for our troubles.

Considering the number of human world and mini empire that existed during the Age of Strife, I find the idea that xenos were exterminating humans unlikely. Plus, considering Warp Travel was almost impossible during hte Age of Strife and only in short distence like in closely clustered worlds like Ultramar for example. This mass genocide would have been largely impossible. There is no doubt though that many worlds fell prey to xenos, but far to few to threaten humanity's existence. The Great Crusade didn,t so much conquered new worlds more than it re-united the scattered human planet.

It was more that the aliens enslaved humanity, rather than killing them.

w1zard wrote:
All of the lore I have ever read about the DAOT heavily implied that the majority of the alien species that allied with humanity initially did so out of fear and awe. Basically, humanity reached out and trusted the xeno races when we were at our most vulnerable and got stabbed in the back for our troubles.

Eh? Don't you actually mean humanity made clients of xenos they defeated or talked into submission, then acting surprised when their former clients tried to take back what they saw as theirs when humanity showed weakness? Apparently many of the allied xenos saw it as them being forced to serve a race of conquerers, paying tithe and service in exchange for not being destroyed.

Kind of like Rome kept the Italics as clients, requiring their military service for costly campaigns benefiting mostly Rome.

The ugly hard fact is the imperium is about one thing, the survival of humanity. The safest xenos species is an extinct one. If exterminating nth em opens up tneir words for human occupation, so much the better.

In all fairness to the imperium, it is as brutal towards humanity as it is to xenos, any possible, potential threat to human survival is utterly annihiliated, be it xenos or human.

epronovost wrote:
Considering the number of human world and mini empire that existed during the Age of Strife, I find the idea that xenos were exterminating humans unlikely. Plus, considering Warp Travel was almost impossible during hte Age of Strife and only in short distence like in closely clustered worlds like Ultramar for example. This mass genocide would have been largely impossible. There is no doubt though that many worlds fell prey to xenos, but far to few to threaten humanity's existence. The Great Crusade didn,t so much conquered new worlds more than it re-united the scattered human planet.

That's because the xenos were effected by the warp storms too. Can't wipe out all of humanity if you can't reach pockets of them in warp-inaccessible locations. Like, I don't think it was on the level of a Tau empire type alliance that got together for the sole purpose of rubbing their hands together and plotting how to systematically wipe every human from the face of the galaxy. But, it was generally accepted among the xeno powers that humans were to be killed or enslaved pretty much on sight, so that we would have no chance of rebuilding our civilization and "eclipsing" them ever again. With the exception of a few alien civilizations like the Interex, human societies that were exposed to xenos after the collapse of DAOT humanity were almost universally wiped out, enslaved, or genetically/culturally perverted past recognition.

Spetulhu wrote:
Eh? Don't you actually mean humanity made clients of xenos they defeated or talked into submission, then acting surprised when their former clients tried to take back what they saw as theirs when humanity showed weakness? Apparently many of the allied xenos saw it as them being forced to serve a race of conquerers, paying tithe and service in exchange for not being destroyed.

Kind of like Rome kept the Italics as clients, requiring their military service for costly campaigns benefiting mostly Rome.

The lore I have read implies it was much more like the Federation from star trek, with alien client states having equal rights. Human just dominated because we bred like rabbits, had the best technology by a longshot, and won the "culture war".

Onething123456 wrote:

Voss, do you have proof for what you say?

Do you know there were alien slavers around Saturn and Jupiter.?

First, you said it was a supposition, and currently you are saying something different. Do I detect a contradiction?

No. You simply don't understand ambiguity and how it relates to the game background which is intended to be ambiguous and have biased narrators. With large chunks of blank space to be filled in later (or never), to give the impression the setting is larger than it is.

Even when you quote something from a novel or background book, it does not mean it is 100% true and factual. It ONLY means that someone in universe believes it, or want to convince someone else it is true, regardless of whether it actually is true.

Agendas are everywhere, and they have different purposes and directions.

Voss wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Considering that, as stated above, humanity used to have peaceful relationships with xenos races until those races all tried to exterminate humanity when they were weak, it shows that the alien races of 40k simply cannot be trusted.

Thats... universally from biased narrators. There isn't any real evidence that many (let alone 'most' or 'all') aliens tried to exterminate humanity. Just a lot of assertions from folks already in the Cult of Humanity Ascendent, repeating their rote 'history' lessons.

Are you certain about that? The Forgewold books show that. As do some of the Horus Heresy books.

The Forgeworld books say the Crusade freed billions from alien slavers. And the Rangdan destroyed planets and a Legion.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nephilim


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Voss, do you have proof for what you say?

Do you know there were alien slavers around Saturn and Jupiter.?

First, you said it was a supposition, and currently you are saying something different. Do I detect a contradiction?

No. You simply don't understand ambiguity and how it relates to the game background which is intended to be ambiguous and have biased narrators. With large chunks of blank space to be filled in later (or never), to give the impression the setting is larger than it is.

Even when you quote something from a novel or background book, it does not mean it is 100% true and factual. It ONLY means that someone in universe believes it, or want to convince someone else it is true, regardless of whether it actually is true.

Agendas are everywhere, and they have different purposes and directions.

Everything is 40k has unreliable narration.

w1zard wrote:
The lore I have read implies it was much more like the Federation from star trek, with alien client states having equal rights. Human just dominated because we bred like rabbits, had the best technology by a longshot, and won the "culture war".

So the xenos might still have been bitter at having to obey their benevolent and ever so slightly more equal overlords. At the risk of sounding like real-world politics, maybe it was a bit like being a minor country in the sphere of influence of the USA or USSR during the Cold War? They gave you stuff in exchange for your resources, they sometimes asked about your concerns, but also demanded you do this or that for them. You could clearly see that they didn't consider your problems as important as their own. DAoT humanity might have seen itself as bringing (their own brand of) civlization to the dark corners of the galaxy, thoughtlessly stomping on the toes of various xenos who didn't dare protest out of fear.