Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So we have the first 8th edition campaign supplement out. How do you think it's going to go?

I'm a bit skeptical because our supposed match-up is one of the oldest named character for the flagship faction of the game versus a chaos lord who we've never seen before (but don't worry he's totally accomplished. Just look at those massive trophy racks and his title). It reminds me of Traitors Hate where never before seen Blood Angeles chaplain fought Kharn and shockingly Kharn won the fight. If this is also leading up to Guilliman versus Abbadon that doesn't bode well either.

I also not convinced we'll see the xenos factions make much headway. I wouldn't want to see the odds of a xenos faction getting a chance to emberass the chapter master of the Ultramarines. Still looking forward to it. If the dark lord I don't care about aerodynamics makes raptors better, I'm interested.

The 13th black crusade is coming, and since we know they will take terra (Russ had a vision of abbadon tearing the emperor off of the golden throne), vigilius seems pretty doomed fighting an army that could successfully siege terra. Who knows though, maybe the IoM will pull off one of it's famous pyrrhic victories, Vigilius broke before the guard did style.

The missing Tyranid fleet shows up and wins with a massive attack to the rear!

I don't think there's any doubt Gulliman & friends will win this one, though it will be worded as "Pyrrhic" victory, to keep the Grimderp alive.

Yeah I kind of wish for these things they'd use less established characters and systems that arent so pivotal so that the outcome can be in doubt.

Call me cinical (or actually optimist), but I think the Genestealer Cult will win this one. Their codex should be out soon before the end of the Vigelus campaign. Thus, the Vigelus campaign could be used as some sort of publicity for the new releases. Nobody important will die in the campaign though. I expect Calgar to almost kill the new Chaos Lord, but be forced to evacuate Vigelus with some of its population and precious pieces of technology. The orks will still be around to get eaten by the Tyranids, but some will escape the planet by stealing Imperial ships. The forces of Chaos, though defeated, will have caused serious damage and diverted the Imperial from the site of their real attack "just as planned". The Eldars will be the only real loser in this.

What's so utterly stupid about this whole thing is that Vigilus really shouldn't be very critical. Take a 30-degree nose-up or nose-down in the Warp from a distant approach point and avoid the entire path through the weeds in the first place.

It's like GW doesn't fanthom that space is 3D, or gives it only the barest of nods in "it's a little inconvenient to take a longer path" when Warp travel messes with arrival time so much already.

 Stormonu wrote:
What's so utterly stupid about this whole thing is that Vigilus really shouldn't be very critical. Take a 30-degree nose-up or nose-down in the Warp from a distant approach point and avoid the entire path through the weeds in the first place.

It's like GW doesn't fanthom that space is 3D, or gives it only the barest of nods in "it's a little inconvenient to take a longer path" when Warp travel messes with arrival time so much already.

I pretty sure the rift is also 3-D, and vigilus is a pinhole through it. It'd be like sailing around South America when you could just go through panama.
As for the time discrepancies, I'm under the impression that most trips are fairly predictable and thus can meet a schedule, it's just that sometimes time gets wonky but that's more of an anomaly.

They'll just about hold it until Abbadon and Fulgrim make their appearance.

Since this is called the "Imperium Nihilus" series and GW said that before it gets better it will getrost worse yet I hope the following happens:

1. Vigilus is lost. Black Legion wins.
2. Imperium Nihilus is under heavy siege.
3. Something interesting happens.
4. Vigilus gets reclaimed by a combined arms assault of bolter bitches and others.
5. Imperium Nihilus can get reinforcements again.
6. But everything stays on the verge of collapsing.

Add sprinkle of xenos flavour where needed. (I play xenos only. :()

Calgary and the defenders of the Imperium will be on the brink of defeat, but Calgary's tactical genius will allow them to push back the invaders. Just as they think they have won the day, Abbadon will appear with another Chaos Fleet.

 Grimgold wrote:
The 13th black crusade is coming, and since we know they will take terra (Russ had a vision of abbadon tearing the emperor off of the golden throne), vigilius seems pretty doomed fighting an army that could successfully siege terra. Who knows though, maybe the IoM will pull off one of it's famous pyrrhic victories, Vigilius broke before the guard did style.

The 13th Black Crusade ended 100 years ago when they destroyed Cadia and ripped open the Cicatrix Maledictum. We are now in the age of the Dark Imperium.

IMO chaos will be about to win and then the introduction of another primarch comes and the imperium barely holds on. I was thinking the lion would be next but then they release an imperial fist battleforce...... DORN LIVES

 Stormonu wrote:
What's so utterly stupid about this whole thing is that Vigilus really shouldn't be very critical. Take a 30-degree nose-up or nose-down in the Warp from a distant approach point and avoid the entire path through the weeds in the first place.

It's like GW doesn't fanthom that space is 3D, or gives it only the barest of nods in "it's a little inconvenient to take a longer path" when Warp travel messes with arrival time so much already.

The warp is also 3d- warp travel is literally a tunnel. What a strange comment to make.

- - - - - -

Anyway, there is no way it won't be either a straight Imperial victory or at bare minimum an eternal stalemate just like the Plague Wars in Ultramar. Chaos got its win with Cadia. I doubt they're making anymore gains that aren't token in nature.

The pessimist in me says that the Imperium will fight off their attackers, only to gain a temporary reprieve, setting up Vigilus as the new, unceasingly besieged, jewel of the Imperium MacGuffin worlds, just as Cadia was before it.

The optimist in me hopes that the campaign is merely a launchpad from which to launch the next Daemon Primarch + faction and use them to claim an outright victory for the heretics.

As long as they don't turn Vigilus into another "global campaign" with fudged results that pretend to change the narrative I'll be happy with whatever.

what I hope: book 1 to be a Black Legion offensive with New-Calgar holding the line, book 2 to be Fulgrim returning at the head of an Emperors Children codex going for the throat of Gulliman and ending with book 3 and an awakened loyalist primarch (Lion? Russ?) coming to save the day.

What will most probably happen: A couple minor victories by chaos and defeated by multiple primaris lieutenants wielding unstoppable plot armor to secure an Imperial victory with Black Legion banished back to the warp shouting "I'll get you next time Gadget.. er... Gulliman!!"

Well, at least at first Celgar is going to get stomped. He needs a reason to upgrade to Primaris.

The Day of Ascension occurs and Nids arrive. Calgar goes round two with the Swarmlord and using his new Primaris powers is shooting laser beams from his eyes. So much so it would give Yarrick an inferiority complex.

Orks krump stuff, get bored and zog off on a speedwhaaaaagh.

Haarakon the Forgettable gets his ass handed to him, also at the oversized mitts of Calgar (in fact Calgar is seen by some as nearly being as hamfisted as the Vigilus story arc itself) and has to stand in front of Abaddon to explain himself whilst Abby does his best 'you have failed me yet again Starscream' impression.

Ad Mech catch wind of an STC on the planet and promptly do a runner leaving the Imperial Soup well and truely in a gak storm, no change to their modus operandii there then.

The Necrons put their awakening protocols on snooze and miss the party by a millenia or two.

T'au are nowhere to be seen - a shocking turn of events whereby GW inadvertantly show they may just have a grip on the stupendous distances involved in traversing interstellar distances.

Finally, the newly discovered Blackstone Fortress gets driven into Vigilus by UR-025 as he jaunts off mumbling 'gottcha flesh bags'' and the Imperium claims yet another glorious victory.

If it isn't resolved by then I kind of figure Celestine and the Sisters will turn up to save the day at some point in 2019 rather than "New Primarch we had on ice".

There's probably some way of splitting the difference so it seems like every faction gets to take home participation prizes.

Chaos win the planet, but Calgar does something that will mess them up in the long run. It's a short lived victory since 'nids come for the planet. The Eldar pull off whatever subversive plan they had, but at a great cost. Orks get to have a big fight which is counted as a win for them.

I hope Chaos wins, after the farce that was Konor where it was nearly a foregone conclusion despite GW saying otherwise that it would be a solid Imperium victory. The question is all the other races and what they will do. But I think it's about time GW reaffirmed that Chaos is the big bad of the setting and let them actually do something meaningful rather than just a lot of Saturday morning cartoon villainy before they get spanked by the good guys and send packing until next week when they return with an even zanier scheme for world domination.

Da Fyootcha iz GREEN!

Think about it. They're Orks. They goes fasta. They're already having a rollicking good time. They're the wild card that'll mess up everyone else's plans.

I predict they'll win the day, and the main route through the thingy will be in Green 'Ands. Spesh if Ghaz decides it needs a bit of speshul boot levva!

Get ready for the Old Ones people. They started this mess and they're back to end it.