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 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
What about multi-coloured plastics? You'd assemble them and they'd be pre-coloured though only in basic colours. Quick wash and you're good to go.

No you wouldn't, it would look like crap.

Works quite well for Gundam or similar Anime scale models

Pre-coloured plastics, Wash for blacklining, done.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
What about multi-coloured plastics? You'd assemble them and they'd be pre-coloured though only in basic colours. Quick wash and you're good to go.

No you wouldn't, it would look like crap.

Works quite well for Gundam or similar Anime scale models

Pre-coloured plastics, Wash for blacklining, done.

How does it not bead up and look like ass without paint/primer? Hell, I can't even get regular washes to go on decent half the time.

This depends on the wash, modified acrylic paint works different than an ink, which works different alcohol or oil based based things
And there are also Acrylic Paint Markers/Fine Liner out there that either come ready to use or are refillable

First Video I found on Google, coloured plastic, no primer or wash and one of those special paint markes sold by Bandai for Gundam models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al-yzZVp1cY

of course this is already an advanced technique but it shows well how something like this would work

there are good examples out there what people can do with historical models by just using an oil based wash

So nothing new but they bring their own old colours

You were able to do the exact same thing with the old Washes before (which were identical to the Army Painter ones) and with the much older Inks (but with a glossy look).

Juhuh nothing changes but we got some nice videos

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'll wait a few months until the non-union, Vallejo equivalent comes out

Army Painter is the same (as are some others) so no need to wait you could have already orderd them months ago....

 Irbis wrote:

 kodos wrote:
So nothing new but they bring their own old colours

You were able to do the exact same thing with the old Washes before (which were identical to the Army Painter ones) and with the much older Inks (but with a glossy look).

Juhuh nothing changes but we got some nice videos

 kodos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'll wait a few months until the non-union, Vallejo equivalent comes out

Army Painter is the same (as are some others) so no need to wait you could have already orderd them months ago....

Denial is pretty strong here, eh?

lack of memory too it seems

Citadel Washes, before GW replaced them with Shades were meant to do the same thing as Contrast, but with a limited colour range

This was the reason why Vallejo and Army Painter came up with coloured Washes (instead of Black and Brown) in the first place.

Original GW picture for Wash over White Primer in 2011


There was also the Tutorial for different Orc Skin using different combinations, like 1 layer pure Green for Grots, 2 layers Green for Boys, 1 layer Purple + 1 layer Green for Nobz/Boss while you can still see old Box images were Orc Skin is just a layer of Green Wash


Nothing new but just e revamp of an old product that was replaced by something different and 3rd party products filled the gap




Big difference is now that we get finally a non-pure white Primer from GW and a wider range of colours than in the past.
But nothing new a ground breaking

 Crimson wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Interesting to note that they appear to be just using grey and yellow in place of metallics.

I don't think that these sort of paints could work as metallic.

old Washes worked good if mixed with Mithril Silver or over a light Silver base, so no reason why it should be different


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 Irbis wrote:

Please show one AP paint that dries differently in the recesses, never mind doing the highlight thing and pretty nice gradients.

took me awhile to find it, but here are some old models I painted years ago
Only Army Painter Washes over White Primer were used (except for metal that got a silver base coat and the haqqislam bases which were try brashed)

So 10 years ago GW came up with the easy and fast painting system called Citadel Washes.

Similar to the previous sold Citadel Inks, but without a glossy or shiny finish and better flowability

Perfect for fast painting as Primer+Details+Wash is enough, specially for SciFi models like Space Marines or Tyranids


Worked well as coloured (matt) Washes now completely replaced other companies Inks that all had either a shiny/glossy finish (Tamiya, Schmincke, Winsorw&Newton) or were only brown/black (Army Painter, Vallejo).

But than GW replaced those Washes for the new and better system of Base/Layer/Shade.

As matching 3 colour system painted over primer as much better than Primer+Wash.
And people learned from GW that base colours need to be opaque and cover everything which made it hard to get them into the fast painting techniques used before.


Now we get Washes back, which is a good thing as we have now a wider colour range and more Primers.
Advertised as the new thing that was not there before and make speed painting a thing

People going crazy as now official GW painting technique can do things that were not possible with official GW painting technique before, except if you used an old guide still referring to Washes.

And my personal enthusiasm is limited as the questions is will they last longer than the last time, how much will they cost and is there really an difference compared to colours from other companies (as old Washes are now available from other too).

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
"Snakebite Leather", for instance, no more tells me that the paint is brown than "XV-88" does.

Depends on how long you are into GW stuff as Citadel already had a colour of that name 20 years ago and most of the older guys will know better what exactly that colour is than XV-88

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Having looked through more examples/experiences... I'm not sure. I'll have to try it for myself, because the potential seems there and despite claims otherwise do not see another product that actually behaves the same way.

Previous GW Washes did exactly the same, but they were never advertised as 1 Layer to get the job done but in addition to regular Citadel paints.
But lot of people used it that way and were therefore angry that GW removed them after while to promote their current Base/Layer/Shade system

I am really surprised that people forgot about those in such a short timeframe or just never believed those guys on the internet that White Primer + Citadel Wash allows very good results very fast, as GW told them they are not meant to be used that way.

GW 2019: this is the best Paint ever, there has never been something like this before and painting armies will be much fast now
People jumping the hypetrain as 1 Layer over white primer was impossible until that day

GW 2011:




I could understand it if a different company would have made them in the past, but it was GW itself who did it. Therefore I won't understand the hate against people who say that this is nothing special. It is not, it was done by GW before but killed again for unknown reason (maybe they did not sold enough other paints any more) and now re-invented after people already have found alternatives


It is really good that GW brings those old Washes finally back, as my last bottle Asurmen Blue is getting empty and there is no similar dark blue Wash out there, with a wider range of colours.

But it is nothing new or special, more like correcting a bad mistake (killing their best painting product) and I do not jump on the hypetrain because I am not sure if they will stay longer or be removed again like the last time.

Messiah wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Having looked through more examples/experiences... I'm not sure. I'll have to try it for myself, because the potential seems there and despite claims otherwise do not see another product that actually behaves the same way.

Previous GW Washes did exactly the same, but they were never advertised as 1 Layer to get the job done but in addition to regular Citadel paints.

The images you posted make it obvious that they are NOT the same. The washes give a transparent ”ghostly” look, that the contrast paints do not.

And you can add, different Primer Colour, (and yes pure White VS Beige makes a huge difference), different Primer surface, and different colour of the Wash to the reason why they colours do not look identical.

But the overall behaviour and principle behind it is the same.

and those models:


do not look different than those models I have seen in the past painted only with Washes
the exact colour is different but the overall look is the same as it always was with Primer+Wash

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The passive-aggressive 'you are too blind to see it' tone certainly does you little favors; perhaps it is your eyesight simply lacking the clarity to make out the distinction?

the passiv-agressive was not intended, sorry if it read that way.

The difference is there, but there are also 4 times the colours and different primer available, allowing different combinations. There is a special medium to thin them down and a new varnish, also effecting the outcome.

Of course, I am not sure until I tested and compared them to others, but I don't expect them to be that different or being something completley new (most intresting one will be White anyway, as if this one works well over grey Primer it will speed up a lot my Napoleonic armies and I have a good reasons to finally get some Austrians)

But I can already see people being disappointed if their expectations are not met after the first trial, as it will still take time to learn how to handle them to get something like those models shown on the promo pictures (as those have seen some additional work and not just 1 Layer out of the bottle).

 Lockark wrote:

I know you feel strongly they are the same. But this pic kinda proves they really aren't. No wash new or old GW has made would saturate the gold so much to create a effect like this. You would see alot more of the gold/silver showing thru instead

Spoiler:

Even GW's glazes don't give you a effect like that. I think their is a lot of interesting effects one will be able to achieve

That looks more like Tamiya Clear Red over Gold, but there are also additional Silver Highlights on the Red colour.

So it is difficult to say if it is one layer or more and what other additional steps were done.

But compare it to the steps in this old tutorial for Pre-Heresy 1kSons
http://www.mywargame.com/2010/02/14/painting-metallic-pre-heresy-thousand-sons/

I would say main difference between old and new would be the amount of pigments and you needed 2 or 3 layers from the old one.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

I know you feel strongly they are the same. But this pic kinda proves they really aren't. No wash new or old GW has made would saturate the gold so much to create a effect like this. You would see alot more of the gold/silver showing thru instead

Spoiler:

Even GW's glazes don't give you a effect like that. I think their is a lot of interesting effects one will be able to achieve

That looks more like Tamiya Clear Red over Gold, but there are also additional Silver Highlights on the Red colour.

So it is difficult to say if it is one layer or more and what other additional steps were done.

But compare it to the steps in this old tutorial for Pre-Heresy 1kSons
http://www.mywargame.com/2010/02/14/painting-metallic-pre-heresy-thousand-sons/

I would say main difference between old and new would be the amount of pigments and you needed 2 or 3 layers from the old one.

Yeah, that picture is from earlier in the thread, from a guy that says he want to Warhammer Fest and did that in the demo pod by putting one coat of red over the gold base.
And you say it looks like Tamiya clear?
OK, either that guy is lying or you need to review your opinion.

It looks more similar to Tamiya Clear Red than old Baal Red over a metallic base not that he used Tamiya colours on that model.