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1. Can deploy units into a transport that I already put on the board during deployment?

2. Can a 8 shot gun, shoot multiple targets?

3. with the 2pt strategem can you interrupt a charge and fight first so long as its not the first combat this turn?

 Sazzlefrats wrote:
1. Can deploy units into a transport that I already put on the board during deployment?

2. Can a 8 shot gun, shoot multiple targets?

3. with the 2pt strategem can you interrupt a charge and fight first so long as its not the first combat this turn?

1. No. During deployment the transport must be deployed at the same time as any units that you want to be embarked on it at the start of the game. Units can of course embark during the game in the movement phase.

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

3. Yes. You use the stratagem after your opponent fights, so they will get to fight with at least one charging unit before you, but after that you can fight immediately using the Strat before chargers.

 Sazzlefrats wrote:
1. Can deploy units into a transport that I already put on the board during deployment?

2. Can a 8 shot gun, shoot multiple targets?

3. with the 2pt strategem can you interrupt a charge and fight first so long as its not the first combat this turn?

1. No. When you deploy a transport, you must declare what, if any, units are deployed within it. After that, you cannot deploy units within it.

2. No. A single weapon cannot fire at multiple units.

3. Correct. The opponent will always get the chance to fight with at least one of their units before you get to use the interrupt stratagem.

From page 180 of the Main Rulebook, second paragraph under 'Weapon Types':

If a weapon has more than one attack, it must make all of its attacks against the same target unit.

 Stux wrote:

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

Note that you cannot target one enemy unit with 2 of 3 weapons (lets say your unit has 3 weapons). You have to shoot every weapon at that enemy unit, or each weapon at 3 different enemy units.

3. Choose Ranged Weapon
The weapons a model has are listed
on its datasheet. If a model has several
weapons, it can shoot all of them at the
same target, or it can shoot each at a
different enemy unit.

I'm pretty certain that the literal RAW that you quoted isn't how anyone in reality would ever play it. Me and my group certainly don't. Be kinda dumb if you had two targets in range, and three guns, but you (for some reason) can't shoot with the third one if you target both units.

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

Note that you cannot target one enemy unit with 2 of 3 weapons (lets say your unit has 3 weapons). You have to shoot every weapon at that enemy unit, or each weapon at 3 different enemy units.

3. Choose Ranged Weapon
The weapons a model has are listed
on its datasheet. If a model has several
weapons, it can shoot all of them at the
same target, or it can shoot each at a
different enemy unit.

I have never seen this interpretation before. The current FAQ states:

Change the last sentence of the first paragraph to read:
‘In either case, at the same time that you choose targets
for the shooting unit’s attacks, you must declare how you
will split the shooting unit’s shots; then resolve all the
shots against one target before moving on to the next.’

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

Note that you cannot target one enemy unit with 2 of 3 weapons (lets say your unit has 3 weapons). You have to shoot every weapon at that enemy unit, or each weapon at 3 different enemy units.

3. Choose Ranged Weapon
The weapons a model has are listed
on its datasheet. If a model has several
weapons, it can shoot all of them at the
same target, or it can shoot each at a
different enemy unit.

While technically accurate, I have never run into anyone who plays it like this.

Please see the previous thread for this discussion: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/754650.page

 Kriswall wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

Note that you cannot target one enemy unit with 2 of 3 weapons (lets say your unit has 3 weapons). You have to shoot every weapon at that enemy unit, or each weapon at 3 different enemy units.

3. Choose Ranged Weapon
The weapons a model has are listed
on its datasheet. If a model has several
weapons, it can shoot all of them at the
same target, or it can shoot each at a
different enemy unit.

While technically accurate, I have never run into anyone who plays it like this.

I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

2. Generally no. Each gun must target a single unit with all shots, though if a model has multiple guns they may target a different unit with each gun.

Note that you cannot target one enemy unit with 2 of 3 weapons (lets say your unit has 3 weapons). You have to shoot every weapon at that enemy unit, or each weapon at 3 different enemy units.

3. Choose Ranged Weapon
The weapons a model has are listed
on its datasheet. If a model has several
weapons, it can shoot all of them at the
same target, or it can shoot each at a
different enemy unit.

Except in real games, where this doesn't apply at all.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

But unit A is different than Unit B so you have "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

But unit A is different than Unit B so you have "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"

No, because he had three weapons and only two units for targets. If you go by it technically being you have to shoot each weapon at a different unit, you're not allowed to split shooting if there are more weapons for you to shoot than units to shoot at. You aren't given permission to not shoot a weapon if every weapon has to be fired at a different units and there aren't enough units to split the weapons between.

Which just goes to emphasize why most people don't read it that way.

 Stux wrote:

Except in real games, where this doesn't apply at all.

I know you dont play by the rules.

 doctortom wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

But unit A is different than Unit B so you have "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"

No, because he had three weapons and only two units for targets. If you go by it technically being you have to shoot each weapon at a different unit, you're not allowed to split shooting if there are more weapons for you to shoot than units to shoot at. You aren't given permission to not shoot a weapon if every weapon has to be fired at a different units and there aren't enough units to split the weapons between.

Which just goes to emphasize why most people don't read it that way.

To use a BCB standard, it's down to how people use English. In normal speech if someone uses this phrasing it doesn't usually mean they all have to be strictly different.

The intention here is absolutely crystal clear and I don't know why p5freak is insisting on taking a ludicrous interpretation.


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 p5freak wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Except in real games, where this doesn't apply at all.

I know you dont play by the rules.

Nobody does. Say hi to Assault weapons.

 Stux wrote:
The intention here is absolutely crystal clear and I don't know why p5freak is insisting on taking a ludicrous interpretation.

If it's so clear then why is it unclear?

Yes, it's due to English language ambiguity and where the stress in the sentence is. A good rules writer works around that. You can't argue that "it's silly otherwise" because re-rolls before modifiers, flamers autohitting supersonic aircraft, being unable to charge units on ruins, etc.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:
The intention here is absolutely crystal clear and I don't know why p5freak is insisting on taking a ludicrous interpretation.

If it's so clear then why is it unclear?

Yes, it's due to English language ambiguity and where the stress in the sentence is. A good rules writer works around that. You can't argue that "it's silly otherwise" because re-rolls before modifiers, flamers autohitting supersonic aircraft, being unable to charge units on ruins, etc.

All those I can accept are intentional, because there's no English ambiguity. Unlike those other examples you gave, you're saying this is an ambiguous situation though, so surely we pick the more reasonable interpretation? The one that makes logical sense.

Oh gawd not this chestnut again...

The weapons a model has are listed on its datasheet. If a model has several weapons, it can shoot all of them at the same target, or it can shoot each at a different enemy unit.

So each weapon can be either A) Be fired at the same target or B) Be fired at a 'different enemy unit' (i.e., any eligible unit other than the unit unit given in A). Option B is just that, it's an option for each weapon .

 doctortom wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

But unit A is different than Unit B so you have "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"

No, because he had three weapons and only two units for targets.

Which of course does not matter at all.

If you go by it technically being you have to shoot each weapon at a different unit

That is not what is required at all.

you're not allowed to split shooting if there are more weapons for you to shoot than units to shoot at.

Again, not what it means at all.

You aren't given permission to not shoot a weapon if every weapon has to be fired at a different units and there aren't enough units to split the weapons between.

Which just goes to emphasize why most people don't read it that way.

It is not the correct way to read it. so that is why most people don't read it that way.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I don't believe it is even 'technically accurate' as it would need to replace the word 'different' with something like 'second'.

I have a Lascannon, a Storm Bolter and Battle Cannon on my Leman Russ. I fire the Lascannon and Battle Cannon at Unit A, I fire the Storm Bolter at unit B. Have I "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"? Unit A is not different to Unit A.

But unit A is different than Unit B so you have "[shot] each at a different enemy unit"

No, because he had three weapons and only two units for targets.

Which of course does not matter at all.

If you go by it technically being you have to shoot each weapon at a different unit

That is not what is required at all.

you're not allowed to split shooting if there are more weapons for you to shoot than units to shoot at.

Again, not what it means at all. If you want to read it as having to fire at different units.

You aren't given permission to not shoot a weapon if every weapon has to be fired at a different units and there aren't enough units to split the weapons between.

Which just goes to emphasize why most people don't read it that way.

It is not the correct way to read it. so that is why most people don't read it that way.

It is a viable reading of it, though it's far less reasonable than the reading that you can just fire whatever weapons at whatever units. Why bother breaking up to retort to different sections of the post when it really only looks like you're trying to address the last sentence in my post?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh gawd not this chestnut again...

Right!? Is there a full moon today or something?

Thanks guys, I think we've answered all my questions and there's no need to take a stroll down Ambiguity Avenue.