ballzonya wrote:
What do people think of the new tank for admech? Is it worth it for it's points? Transport sucks it seems

 Ideasweasel wrote:

 The Forgemaster wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
The new mortar tanks. What are the ideal targets for them? Aeldari bikes behind cover?

The 2D seems wasted on a lot of targets. Those that have been using them have any good examples where they really shone?

Vs Guard Mortar teams? wound on 2+ they get a 6+ save usually and instant kill a team per failed save...

So my maths says 3 tanks shooting into a squad of guardsmen is only 5 dead? Is that right?

 jhnbrg wrote:
Hello,

I tried to get an answer to a few questions in the 40k general discussion board without luck, so i will try here if it is OK.

-Where can i find the rules for the new transport?
-I loosely remeber there was a change in the number of command points you get from the formations but i cant find where it is.
-I see a lot of reference to a drill transport (like the old epic termite), in what book can i find it?

Thanks in advance,

 jhnbrg wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Battalion and Brigade Changes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en.pdf

Find them on page 2.

Can't find the Dunerider stats myself, sorry.

Thanks, I finally found it, i have read that document atleast 5 times today without spotting it.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Lil' birdy that gave me the numbers said Skitarii or Secutarii only.

 Colonel Cross wrote:

Octovol wrote:
Ya know the more I look at these new rules the more see traces of whichever fethwit they let write the first codex. Don't get me wrong the good stuff is good, almost like it was written by a different person, but the bad stuff...

Bonuses to Radium weapons -- oooh only 2 units have them.
Bonuses to rapid fire weapons - only 2 weapons.
1" extra movement on units that were intentionally 1" slower and also have long range weapons anyway.
Overwatch on a 5 or 6 - we already have that, in more than one place.
6++ on wounds - already had it.
Extra 3" on broad spectrum data tether range, we literally only take that for the extra +1 on the doctrine strat.

Like, get rid of this person already. They suck at rules writing! lol

And I think the only cavalry in the game who doesn't get a bump to T?

 Aaranis wrote:
The thing with the Intercessor/Cultist change is that we can assume the weapon profiles will change too. The regular Bolt Rifle can be 3 pts while the Cultists' weapons stay at 0. Please don't spread panic based on next to no information :p

Although it seems that the point costs in Engine War are already irrelevant. So yes, for the min-maxers it would be wiser to magnetise or wait until you build your boxes !

VirtualJiva wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
trying to think of what that mars canticle even affects if vehicles normally ignore heavy penalties.
All i can think of is the pointless HQ guns we generally dont care about or Arquabus, which is denied shooting in general if it moved anyway

All the special weapons on our troops. If any model in the unit moved it affects the special weapon model.

U02dah4 wrote:
There isn't one within 6" because the portion of the aura in which the which the techmarine gunner is standing has been removed by the strategem

Crew aura is there X unit within the aura answer = NO so remove the crewed artillery gun

That's how it works - I'm clearly not going to convince you of that so I would advise you consult the existing thread or create a new specific one in YMDC before it comes up in an actual game. Rather than clogging up the admech thread

U02dah4 wrote:
I've made the above as clear as i can

no the whole aura is not shut down

only the area the aura's effect within 6" of the aircraft

The exact wording of is "Until the start of your next turn, enemy models aura abilities have no effect whilst within 6" of that unit."
It is not - enemy models within 6" of this unit have no aura abilities

 Thairne wrote:
I thought so as well and then had my first game in 9th against guard.
LR with demolisher cannon and a Manticore on the opposite end of the table means your Kataphrons do jack feth.

Both wound on 2's, AP -2 upwards, flat 3D - even with Learnings of the Genetor and Graia they keeled over very, very quickly.

Rest to say I wont play Kataphrons against Guard anytime soom again

But I'm currently struggling to get lists done - very limited experience in 9th so far, so I'd appreciate some general advice.
I find myself struggling to fit anything that seems to be required - troops to hold objectives, guns to deal with the enemy threats. transports to actually get to the objective...

Earlier you'd went for min troops, build a castle and be done with it with Dragoons and Grators as your mobile element.
Now however, you need quite a lot of models to get the primary points which really eats into your ability to reduce the enemy or have transports.
It's like a magical triangle you never can satisfy all edges...

Octovol wrote:

bmsattler wrote:
I would want a really good reason for going to 6, as 5 lets you avoid Blast and coherency restrictions. If you're going to go over 5, you may as well go larger.

The blast 'weakness' is less of an issue until you're over 10 models imo. Getting a minimum of 3 shots on blast weapons on a D6 is the average anyway, sure they could roll less and get an extra 1-2 shots but math-wise a D6 shot weapon against a 6 model unit is no better off being blast than not. But if you find that margin is too high for you then by all means stick to 5.

Unit coherency on the other hand is going to be more of an issue with 6 than if you took 9 for example. One of the greatest tricks a unit of Raiders can pull is to contest an objective from the front placing models as close to your opponent as you can while leaving conga of models out the back to still be in the 3", then if they get charged Tactica Oblique backwards to make them fail their charge but still remain on your objective. You can still do it with 6 but your conga needs to be 2-wide at the back instead of 1 and you cant conga them forward as far or spread out as wide to screen.

When I bought my Raiders I assumed i'd be taking 3 squads, so bought 5 boxes to have 3 squads of 5 exactly, but thats a lot of FA slots so I'm finding I just dont use them all now anyway :| The detachment restrictions are a killer for us as we have a lot of good FA choices but dont really want to spend cp and hq tax to include an outrider.

edit: Oh and I wouldn't worry about them doing anyting damage-wise, treat them as more mobile bare-bones rangers. There purpose is not killing stuff, but the od kill here and there is a bonus.

Octovol wrote:
Quick question regarding this new Exorcists trait:



Does that mean it bypasses re-roll abilities for wounds? As in attackers don't get to re-roll their 1 or 2 to wound because it's an unmodified roll of 1 or 2 auto-fails? Is that how transhuman is worded as well?

 Suzuteo wrote:
Seems there's a lot of weird debate about the ruling. I honestly don't see the problem. But apparently, there are three interesting questions:

1. Does Lucius dogma apply to D2 attacks when they are allocated to a target with Chaff Launcher?
2. Does Lucius dogma apply to Grav-gun? Corollary: Does Grav-gun go to DD3 because of Lucius dogma?
3. Does Chaff Launcher apply to Grav-gun?

All of this is resolved neatly if you assume we apply all of the modifications to the attacks first before checking if defensive abilities apply to them, but people love the Sisphyean task of trying to make GW rules make sense.