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Oh yes!

It's confirmed, and expected July 2022 at the earliest.

Chris Hemsworth expected to return, and Taiki Watiti confirmed to direct.

https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/thor/66410/thor-4-confirmed-taika-waititi-director

I know Ragnarok wasn't quite everyone's cup of tea, but I for one am positively ecstatic at this news.

Ragnarok was a welcome break from the Avengers norm. More Guardians than Avengers, with the characters mixed up a bit.

Now that Ragnarok has been done though, we'll have to see how this turns out.

I assume the next Guardians movie comes before it though, right?

So far as we’re aware, yes.

What's the next MCU movie, with a confirmed release date?

 Alpharius wrote:
What's the next MCU movie, with a confirmed release date?

Don't think there's any confirmed dates yet. Black Widow is currently being filmed, and the following are in the pipeline: The Eternals, Shang-Chi, Untitled Black Panther sequel, Untitled Doctor Strange sequel, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (and now Untitled Thor: Ragnarok sequel) - (According to Wikipedia, anyway...).

https://geeksoncoffee.com/disney-confirmed-marvel-phase-4-release-dates/

[Update: Wishlist?]

I imagine we might get some dates announced at SDCC this week. In the mean time, I'd guess Black Widow and Black Panther for next year, as those are the two whose pre-production seemed to start moving earliest.

After that, we're back to 3 a year, I believe, for which I'd guess Doc Strange 2, Eternals, GotG3 or maybe Spidey depending on just how well Far From Home ends up doing. I must admit I have no idea how they're going to make the Eternals work in the MCU without radically changing them; while Neil Gaiman's modernised version is a good story in and of itself, it really has to stretch to make sense even inside a comic book universe, so translating that to film without some major changes seems borderline impossible.

Not thrilled that Watiti is back for Thor. My one gripe with Endgame is how it treats Thor's depression as a joke subplot, and every single hint of sensitivity and emotion in Ragnarok is undercut with crass humour, so I don't see it being treated any more appropriately in Thor 4.

I thought that image was a confirmed fake - just someone wishlisting?

Yeah, the image is nonsense, the dates are real though, I think. They were announced alongside the dates for the next few Star Wars movies and the eleventy-billion Avatar sequels.

Well, there's also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_films#Future

Disney has scheduled multiple release dates for untitled Marvel Studios films. These include May 1 and November 6, 2020;[555][556][557] February 12, May 7, and November 5, 2021;[558][555][557] and February 18, May 6, and July 29, 2022.[555][557] Marvel had previously dated an untitled film for July 31, 2020, before removing it from their schedule in October 2018.[556] In October 2016, Feige said it was a combination of knowing what films would occupy the 2020 dates and allowing some flexibility, saying, "We know what [films] we'd like them to be for 2020. Over the years, where we're aiming we've been lucky enough that it's usually been the same thing but we always leave ourselves the opportunity to bob and weave and adapt if we have to."[559] Feige and Marvel have additional storylines planned through 2028,[560] resulting in 20 films "on the docket that are completely different from anything that's come before—intentionally."[561] Feige also was not sure if Marvel would continue to group the films in phases once Phase Three concluded, that "it might be a new thing",[562] but Marvel was said to be using the term Phase Four in December 2018.[563] Feige noted Marvel hoped to reveal additional films after the release of Avengers: Endgame,[564] with Disney CEO Bob Iger indicating that Marvel would reveal its slate of post-Avengers: Endgame movies in mid-2019.[565]

The Eternals
By April 2018, Marvel had met with multiple screenwriters to craft a film based on the Eternals, with a focus on the character Sersi.

Shang-Chi
By December 2018, Marvel was "fast-tracking" development on a Shang-Chi film, which would be their first Asian-led film. Chinese-American writer David Callaham was hired to work on the screenplay, with Marvel Studios looking to hire an Asian or Asian-American filmmaker to direct.

Untitled Black Panther sequel
By October 2018, Ryan Coogler had completed a deal to write and direct a sequel to Black Panther.[574]

Untitled Doctor Strange sequel
By December 2018, Scott Derrickson had completed a deal to return to direct a sequel to Doctor Strange. Marvel was beginning to search for a writer, with a plan to begin filming in early 2020. Benedict Cumberbatch and Benedict Wong will reprise their roles.[563]

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
In April 2016, Kevin Feige stated that "Guardians 3 is [one film that's] up there" being considered for release beyond 2019.
...
Filming will begin in 2020 once he has completed his work for the DC Extended Universe film The Suicide Squad.[583][554]

Untitled Thor: Ragnarok seque
lBy July 2019, Waititi had signed on with Marvel to write and direct a fourth Thor film

beast_gts wrote:
I thought that image was a confirmed fake - just someone wishlisting?

I'm fairly sure it's some ones wish list.
However, I'm fairly sure that Nova is also confirmed.

Looking forward to another Thor after Ragnarok. I loved that film.

 Paradigm wrote:
I imagine we might get some dates announced at SDCC this week. In the mean time, I'd guess Black Widow and Black Panther for next year, as those are the two whose pre-production seemed to start moving earliest.

After that, we're back to 3 a year, I believe, for which I'd guess Doc Strange 2, Eternals, GotG3 or maybe Spidey depending on just how well Far From Home ends up doing. I must admit I have no idea how they're going to make the Eternals work in the MCU without radically changing them; while Neil Gaiman's modernised version is a good story in and of itself, it really has to stretch to make sense even inside a comic book universe, so translating that to film without some major changes seems borderline impossible.

Not thrilled that Watiti is back for Thor. My one gripe with Endgame is how it treats Thor's depression as a joke subplot, and every single hint of sensitivity and emotion in Ragnarok is undercut with crass humour, so I don't see it being treated any more appropriately in Thor 4.

It is a joke subplot. I suspect there will be a brief training montage in GoG3 to get rid of fat Thor (at most, they may well skip it) and it will be ignored thereafter as they get into whatever antics. In Thor 4 it won't even come up.

Mind you, I've no idea what they're even going to do in Thor 4, given they've gutted pretty much every Asgard and mythology related plot with the Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies resolution of Ragnarock/Endgame.

Maybe they'll start over with alternate universe Loki (or tie into his show, depending on which is airing first).

Unlike the rest of them, there aren't a lot of hooks left for a Thor sequel, beyond random supervillain fight in <location>.

 Skinnereal wrote:
https://geeksoncoffee.com/disney-confirmed-marvel-phase-4-release-dates/

[Update: Wishlist?]

No mention of Shang-Chi, which is confirmed.

So, defo wish list.

 Paradigm wrote:

Not thrilled that Watiti is back for Thor. My one gripe with Endgame is how it treats Thor's depression as a joke subplot, and every single hint of sensitivity and emotion in Ragnarok is undercut with crass humour, so I don't see it being treated any more appropriately in Thor 4.

Ragnarok has some jokes that don't land (notably Banner.... heyo!) but in rewatching it the good greatly outweighs the bad. It's become one of my favorite movies in the whole franchise, but there are definitely points where they needed a serious moment and ruined it with a poorly timed joke instead.

I'm actually really fond of Thor's depression. It's played for a joke and we all get to laugh at it, but it winds up being remarkably well thought out when the movie gets around to taking it seriously. It's pretty clear that no one really appreciates the gravity of the situation. He's a literal god to them, not their equal; he's invincible, immortal and powerful in a way that makes his problems seem like something he just needs to wake up from when he feels like it. Rocket even goes for the cliche "snap out of it" beat and runs off expecting that to be the end of it.

This is also where the movie ends the joke and does so by making it clear that the slap doesn't actually work. It doesn't help or fix anything. It's not until Thor encounters his mother; someone who sees him as an equal and in many ways he still sees himself as weaker than; someone who's not just connected to the image he presents to the rest of the world but is connected to the person inside; that things break down and his problems are taken seriously and we see him start to confront them in a non jokey manner. It's honestly a pretty remarkable expression of the way we all too often treat our heroes as beyond human concerns and how few people, even among our close friends and colleagues we actually know beyond the superficial. Yes, all of the heroes should be more concerned with what's happened to Thor, but that's kind of the point. We really need to connect with those around us to help them and not just assume they'll get over it; even if we see that person as a god.

I think my main issue with it is just where some of the jokes at his expense come from. I get Stark's 'Lebowski' comment because demeaning everyone's problems but his own has been his whole deal for a decade, and likewise, Rocket is by his own admission just a dick, so that's par for the course at this point. What I don't really get is the likes of Rhodey and Clint making those wisecracks, as that just seems totally out of character for them.



I'm really hoping he will get at least some presence in GotG3 though, because after the second one I definitely think James Gunn has the potential to bring that arc to a satisfying end. I could see a Thor 4 following on from that as a passing of the mantle, as he realises after a while hanging round with the Guardians that he's done with the Big Damn Hero stuff, but comes to understand that someone has to. I shouldn't imagine Portman would ever come back in a major role so Jane Foster Thor is off the cards, but hey, Beta-Ray Bill could totally work in a story like that.

I just have no faith in Watiti to write it.

But he does just get over it. The fact that he's out of shape and depressed matters not a jot to the fight with alta-Thanos. Thor basically hangs up his heroic status after the prelude and then gets it back for free when it matters.

Narratively, that's terrible. Earning that back is usually a heroic arc in its own right. In Endgame, its something that isn't even worthy of note, because his screen time to that point has been devoured by a one-note joke

I think that's underselling it a little. There's certainly a pivotal moment in his arc with Frigga and him realising he can still summon Miljnor, and even if that arc is under-served by the script (though it's hard to see they could have found space to expand it), it is an arc. Perhaps a bit of a jumpy one in places, but it's there, under the jokes and the limited screen time.

'Let's kill him properly this time" is a cool throwaway line, but it's also the climax of that arc. It's his chance at redemption and that's what gives him the courage and willpower to step up and become the hero again. Sure he's out of shape, but his mind is clear and his heart is back where it belongs as he realises what this chance means for him, and ultimately it's that that makes him a hero, not being built like a tank.

So it's not really 'for free', it's the conclusion to an arc that represents a significant change in direction for the character, even if that is a little buried in everything else that's going on. And that's why I'd really hope that wherever he shows up next does give him a little time with those ideas, because they're too interesting to be slightly lost in the ensemble piece to end all ensemble pieces.

It’s his chat with his Mam that helps him start to come to terms.

I had a bit of a mental health breakdown last year, and it was talking to my Mam that helped.

That he can still summon and wield Mjolnir, which has long been the measure of his worth? That’s just icing.

I'd actually like to see Moon Knight make an appearance in a MCU movie.

As a huge fan of Thor I can't honestly express just how happy this news makes me. I didn't think they'd give any of their heroes a 4th solo film if Iron Man and Cap didn't get one, to be honest I'm still pretty surprised they're doing it. I hope Taika can give the more serious moments some time to breathe this time, but I'll be happy if we get something even half as good as Ragnarok.

 Paradigm wrote:
I think that's underselling it a little. There's certainly a pivotal moment in his arc with Frigga and him realising he can still summon Miljnor, and even if that arc is under-served by the script (though it's hard to see they could have found space to expand it), it is an arc. Perhaps a bit of a jumpy one in places, but it's there, under the jokes and the limited screen time.

'Let's kill him properly this time" is a cool throwaway line, but it's also the climax of that arc. It's his chance at redemption and that's what gives him the courage and willpower to step up and become the hero again. Sure he's out of shape, but his mind is clear and his heart is back where it belongs as he realises what this chance means for him, and ultimately it's that that makes him a hero, not being built like a tank.
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Ah, I see that as step back. He goes back to relying on being the Bearer of Hammers, rather than God of Thunder, even lowering himself to the point of stealing one to have his crutch back again.
The chance you talk about just seems like revenge and to make himself feel better, not to reclaim heroism- just an ego-boost.

So it's not really 'for free', it's the conclusion to an arc that represents a significant change in direction for the character, even if that is a little buried in everything else that's going on.

It is a change in direction, but its back in the old direction when he was an idiot princeling that did nothing but fight- no responsibilities and a future that looks like he'll continue to discard any sense of responsibility and go a-viking with the Guardians.

As far as free goes, the hammer and mom's blessing were _definitely_ free. He tossed his mission, quest, and companion aside, indulged his own desires/cowardice and literally broke entirely in that moment. And got a pat on the head and a replacement irreplaceable artifact (on top of the one he actually sacrificed for in IW) for punking out on Rocket (and by extension the entire universe). He's so much less than he was at that point. Even drunk, fat Thor was a better person than the Thor that fought the battle.

Grotsnik wrote:That he can still summon and wield Mjolnir, which has long been the measure of his worth? That’s just icing.

The entire point of Thor 3 was that he was so much more than just the wielder of Mjolnir. Going back to it, stealing it from another Thor... that's a horrifying reversal.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
As a huge fan of Thor I can't honestly express just how happy this news makes me. I didn't think they'd give any of their heroes a 4th solo film if Iron Man and Cap didn't get one, to be honest I'm still pretty surprised they're doing it. I hope Taika can give the more serious moments some time to breathe this time, but I'll be happy if we get something even half as good as Ragnarok.

It's mostly a matter of contracts. RDJ and Evans were happy to be done after completing their 3 solo films. Some of that is definitely because of issues and working requirements with the early stuff and those issues even affected Helmsworth who basically put in his 2 week notice after suffering through Dark World along with the others. He changed his mind after getting to work on Ragnarok, which was a far more fun and rewarding work experience that renewed his interest in the brand, which is essentially why we're getting another one and as I think on it, also likely why Thor's story was played for laughs in Endgame. Helmsworth seems to really like putting more comedy in the role and likely was pretty eager to run with it.

Voss wrote:

Grotsnik wrote:That he can still summon and wield Mjolnir, which has long been the measure of his worth? That’s just icing.

The entire point of Thor 3 was that he was so much more than just the wielder of Mjolnir. Going back to it, stealing it from another Thor... that's a horrifying reversal.

I see where you're coming from, but I disagree.

Thor may know he doesn't need Mjolnir as an implement. He is the power, Mjolnir simply a conduit for it.

But, Mjolnir remains a physical measure of Thor's worth. When he's down in the dumps, having seen half of what little remained of his people? That matters. That's validation that he did in fact do his best by them.