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Considering the number of rumors and reviews going around, I've decided to put everything in a google doc so the people on the board can have something to reference when discussion on the new codex happens. I will attempt to update it as I'm searching for more information. Most of this is based on what was revealed in the Warhammer Community articles and Winters SEO's review.

Space Marine Write up

I'll try to keep speculation down to a minimum.

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thaks muchly for this.

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I'm waiting for the relics myself.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm waiting for the relics myself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDG0ScWFJuo&feature=youtu.be

Relics at 1:03:47-ish. Biggest winners are Burning Blade and Teeth of Terra. Nothing majorly overpowered from what I could tell.

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yeah the burning blade is nice. it was a little meh with the 1D before.

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Interesting...no wound marine units on a 1 or 2 as a successor trait.

That seems damn good.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm waiting for the relics myself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDG0ScWFJuo&feature=youtu.be

Relics at 1:03:47-ish. Biggest winners are Burning Blade and Teeth of Terra. Nothing majorly overpowered from what I could tell.

I'll watch this when I leave Outside Lands. Thanks a bunch!

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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The Chaplain Crozius relic seems rather nice if combined with the self-buff from the Chaplain as well.

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Grav weapons got a healthy point cut AND a strategem!

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Interesting...no wound marine units on a 1 or 2 as a successor trait.

That seems damn good.


It was discussed in a fair bit of detail when the Blood ravens previewed it. (it's obvious to me blood ravens are a "create a chapter" preview)

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man they butchered the shield eternal, makes me sad. Probably never going to use that relic except for TS match-ups
   
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Vilehydra wrote:
man they butchered the shield eternal, makes me sad. Probably never going to use that relic except for TS match-ups

It still confers a FNP equivalent though doesn't it? Not too shabby.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Vilehydra wrote:
man they butchered the shield eternal, makes me sad. Probably never going to use that relic except for TS match-ups

It still confers a FNP equivalent though doesn't it? Not too shabby.


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AP bonuses do not stack with doctrines.


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as is fair.

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Ap-2 bolt rifles are fine I think - 3 would be too much. I wonder how the math works now for Guilliman. Sure we can't reroll all wound but our wounds that succeed have a better chance of going through (barring invulns of course)

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Marine on Marine violence is going to be brutal. The AP system change combined with weight of dice have made their ability to stay on the table fleeting.

Now matches against their own will be potent doses of both right from the word go.

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Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.

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Vilehydra wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Vilehydra wrote:
man they butchered the shield eternal, makes me sad. Probably never going to use that relic except for TS match-ups

It still confers a FNP equivalent though doesn't it? Not too shabby.


Only for Mortal wounds it looks like


Normal or mortal, so it's always on.

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 JNAProductions wrote:
Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.


If they get D6 all the time I'm getting 3 immediately.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
Did Vindicators go to d6 shots? I thought I heard something about that.


If they get D6 all the time I'm getting 3 immediately.
I think it was WinterSEO that said it, but he might've misspoken.

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What are people's thoughts on Incursors? To me the seem better than Infiltrators. Ignoring cover* and modifiers is a solid ability and the mine is a nasty trick. Their knives also make them a bit better in melee. And the seem to be cheaper. But perhaps I'm undervaluing the anti-DS bubble of the Infiltrators.

* It is a bit annoying though that the share this ability with IF chapter trait.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I'm waiting for the relics myself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDG0ScWFJuo&feature=youtu.be

Relics at 1:03:47-ish. Biggest winners are Burning Blade and Teeth of Terra. Nothing majorly overpowered from what I could tell.

0:39:34 shot of the wargear list reveals:
1. Intercessor sergeants can take thunder hammers (probably going to be on a chapter upgrade sprue)
2. "Bolt Weapons" reveals either relic or special character wargear from upcoming supplements (don't recognise guns named as "blackout" or "gorgons wrath" amongst other familiar items)
3. "Flame Weapons" does the same for "drakkis"

Strats has relics at 1cp with no wording to say can only use the strat once or increased price for 2 (probably a typo)

**Edit
There are numerous sources of unmodified 6's count as two hits and also unmodified 6's autowound for both melee and shooting, no apparent wording to say they don't stack.

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Interesting that they took all the Indomitus Crusader veteran strats from Vigilus Defiant, let normal Intercessors use them at double (or triple!) the CP cost. I think people will still use (assuming they can) Indomitus Crusader lists. 3CP to get Stalker Bolt Rifles sniping for one turn, or 2 CP to take Indomitus Crusade and Veteran Intecessor, +1 CP every turn they snipe.



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Insularum wrote:

1. Intercessor sergeants can take thunder hammers (probably going to be on a chapter upgrade sprue)


Salamanders I'd bet.

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 Crimson wrote:
What are people's thoughts on Incursors? To me the seem better than Infiltrators. Ignoring cover* and modifiers is a solid ability and the mine is a nasty trick. Their knives also make them a bit better in melee. And the seem to be cheaper. But perhaps I'm undervaluing the anti-DS bubble of the Infiltrators.

* It is a bit annoying though that the share this ability with IF chapter trait.

Incursors do have a very useful place in pulling out entrenched units, but I'm not sure I'd like them "better" than infiltrators, since both have a separate use and since they're both troops they're not exactly fighting over space. It depends on what type of army you want to counter. I certainly care more about the anti-deep strike zone as an ork player than removing cover/BS mods.

That being said, I think there's going to be two places where the Incursors are going to dominate: City of Death, and murdering units that relied on cover and BS mods. I'll be amazed if alaitoc rangers are still viable after the codex drops, considering you pentuple the damage done to them compared to regular bolters.

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I definatly agree that incursors and infilstrators will have differant times you wanna use them. Infiltrators will be your preferance if your enemy has a lot of deep striking etc units. meanwhile if neither of these things is uber prevalianet in your meta you'll proably be better off just taking intercessors.

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What is considered Unaligned to not interfere with the doctrine bonus? Assassins? Anything else?
   
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bort wrote:
What is considered Unaligned to not interfere with the doctrine bonus? Assassins? Anything else?
Not Assassins. Fortifications.

But you can add an Assassin via the strat.

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 Crimson wrote:
What are people's thoughts on Incursors? To me the seem better than Infiltrators. Ignoring cover* and modifiers is a solid ability and the mine is a nasty trick. Their knives also make them a bit better in melee. And the seem to be cheaper. But perhaps I'm undervaluing the anti-DS bubble of the Infiltrators.

* It is a bit annoying though that the share this ability with IF chapter trait.


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 JNAProductions wrote:
bort wrote:
What is considered Unaligned to not interfere with the doctrine bonus? Assassins? Anything else?
Not Assassins. Fortifications.

But you can add an Assassin via the strat.


Oh right, fortifications.

So an Execution Force would break doctrines, but using the 2cp strat to take 1 would not?
   
 
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