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 Schlyne wrote:
A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..

GW Blue and "Dust" are the same $18 price. Army Painter spray cans are $11 for the same size can with the same international issues.

T

 JOHIRA wrote:
I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone.

If we're going to lump anything with armour that isn't actually functional into the 'worst model ever' category, there's going to be precious few GW models that aren't in there.

Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last.

Well, that would explain why, historically, nobody ever went into battle without full plate armour...

 insaniak wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone.

If we're going to lump anything with armour that isn't actually functional into the 'worst model ever' category, there's going to be precious few GW models that aren't in there.

Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last.

Well, that would explain why, historically, nobody ever went into battle without full plate armour...

No, but usually when you wear half-plate, or any armor of a non full coverage variety, you would put what armor you do wear over the vital areas, like the chest, and leave less vital areas bare.
Someone wearing a curaiss or hauberk and little else isn't too uncommon, as it allows some protection while still allowing full freedom of movement.
Wearing full plate leg gear and nothing else restricts your mobility without adding protection for vital areas.

 insaniak wrote:
It's purely the lacklustre sculpting and posing that lets them down for me. They're not the worst models ever... but they're far worse than most of GW's other recent releases, which have been a largely excellent.

And compare them to the Blightknights, which are fantastic minis. What the hell happened?

So, they're "merging" Marauders and Berserkers into one unit?

Deadawake1347 wrote:

Wearing full plate leg gear and nothing else restricts your mobility without adding protection for vital areas.

And my impression of these guys was that removing the protection from the vital areas was entirely the point.

Good thing I'm getting some Marauders before they vanish for good.

 insaniak wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:

Wearing full plate leg gear and nothing else restricts your mobility without adding protection for vital areas.

And my impression of these guys was that removing the protection from the vital areas was entirely the point.

Which may very well be the case. But the point stands that it's a stupid decision from a warrior's viewpoint, and a poor decision from a design standpoint.
If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
Which may very well be the case. But the point stands that it's a stupid decision from a warrior's viewpoint, and a poor decision from a design standpoint.
If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.

It's not about caring if they live or die, but about showing that they're (at least in their own heads) so much better than their opponents that they don't need full armour.

The worthy will win regardless of the lack of armour. The unworthy will fall.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
But the point stands that it's a stupid decision from a warrior's viewpoint...

To a logical warrior perhaps, but these are nutcase Khorne guys. I don't think they put as much thought into it as you are right now.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
...and a poor decision from a design standpoint.

Again, from any regular warrior's standpoint, yes. From frothing lunatic Khornate guys waving hammerflails around, not so much.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.

They already make naked warriors who care not for their own lives. They're called Slayers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They already make naked warriors who care not for their own lives. They're called Slayers.

Speaking of 'worst models ever'... what sort of sensible warrior goes into battle without knees?

The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

No, again, that's the whole point...

 insaniak wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

No, again, that's the whole point...

Well then, I suppose I just don't agree that it is a good point to base the design around. But to each their own. I am however glad that these models exist, since I plan on grabbing a handful of the bits off of eBay for conversions. I just dislike the models as a whole.

Well, Skullreaping and Wrathmonging don't pay as much as they used to. These guys obviously can't afford the top half of their armour.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
Well, Skullreaping and Wrathmonging don't pay as much as they used to. These guys obviously can't afford the top half of their armour.

No, they just split each suit with the upcoming Slannesh Sexpredators (combo kit with the Doomflashers).

 plastictrees wrote:
No, they just split each suit with the upcoming Slannesh Sexpredators (combo kit with the Doomflashers).

Ha ha, when Crotchless Plate doesn't go far enough!

I think we're looking at it the wrong way. These khorne mongers have risen from warriors of chaos. They haven't come to the battle and sat there on a tree stump before battle lacing up their pants and putting on plate leg armour. Instead, frothing at the mouth and chanting things about skulls, they have ripped the plates from their chest and arms, exposing their khornely muscles to the world before running into battle.
Perfectly believable for mad warriors of the god of battle.

For the record, I'm not saying these are great models, personally they have a little bit too much going on on their armour and weapons. But they are far from the worst models ever because 'metal pants are stoopid'

Speaking of 'metal pants' Isn't that nurgle Guy with the axe that everyone is converting all the time basically armoured similarly? I have never heard anyone complain about him.

I realise that there are other issues with the khorne guys and don't really consider them models worth My money; but come on guys...

Zywus wrote:
Speaking of 'metal pants' Isn't that nurgle Guy with the axe that everyone is converting all the time basically armoured similarly? I have never heard anyone complain about him.

I realise that there are other issues with the khorne guys and don't really consider them models worth My money; but come on guys...

This guy?



Well, probably because there's a precedent for Nurgle stuff to be unarmoured, because they're basically dead already. Besides, it kind of makes sense to wear essentially no armour over wearing half a set.

That, and it doesn't look daft with bunny ears.

rollawaythestone wrote:
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

Just picked up a Bloodthirster - the 40k profiles are just the basic stat-lines of a Bloodthirster straight from the Chaos Demon codex. Not sure why they copied it for all 3 Fantasy variants, other than to make it clear there's only 1 40k variant I guess. The full profiles and points values for the 3 Fantasy Bloodthirsters are in the manual though.

I like some of the Khorne infantry bits and would be interested in how they size up to marines.

timd wrote:

 Schlyne wrote:
A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..

GW Blue and "Dust" are the same $18 price. Army Painter spray cans are $11 for the same size can with the same international issues.

T

And I can walk into a craft store and get comparable "artist grade" spray cans in a functionally identical color for $8. They're all overpriced.

The Skullwrathers are pants-on-head silly, but they do match the rest of the Khorne line. These and the new bloodthirster and the bloodcrushers all share the same cartoony aesthetic.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I like some of the Khorne infantry bits and would be interested in how they size up to marines.

It looks like the models are on 40mm bases, so they look like they'd fit on 32mm nicely.


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 Fayric wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.

I love stocks guy! You just know his attack is just kicking people in the shins.

God damn, why are people arguing over the validity of these guys wearing full armor or no armor. YOU do realize one dude has a Scorpion tail coming out of his ass, im sure that guy has more on his mind than "Do I truly represent what a real warrior would wear in battle..." I some times wonder if people forget this is not a historical miniatures game. Id say 3 out of 5 of the models are ace and 2, well luckily I just paint so I will make 3 of the flail guys and 2 of the other.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I like some of the Khorne infantry bits and would be interested in how they size up to marines.

It looks like the models are on 40mm bases, so they look like they'd fit on 32mm nicely.


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 Fayric wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.

Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.

I love stocks guy! You just know his attack is just kicking people in the shins.

Well, after seeing a dad manly hobbling around after being shin kicked by his spoilt brat 6 year old, I wouldn't want to be hoofed by a fanatic who feels he doesn't need to use hands in hand to hand combat

I've figured out who the Khorne infantry remind me of:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And compare them to the Blightknights, which are fantastic minis. What the hell happened

1.) These new Khorne guys are pretty bad, and

2.) I googled the Blightknights, which I had never seen. The knowledge that I'll never get them painted up is the only thing keeping me from just impulse ordering them right now. Great models.

Yes I should call them Blightkings as that's what they are - sorry if that made your search harder Ouze - but I think Blightknights sounds better.

And yeah, fantastic models.