End Times: V p#23 new khorne infantry

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**DarkStarSabre**

Wonderwolf wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:

You know, an old friend of mine once had a theory that the way they sold the ugly as sin models was by making them so brokenly stupid in rules terms that they became must haves...

We were quite eagerly waiting for Lemartes...then they just went and resculpted him.

Which is why CSM Mutilators have been sweeping all tournaments for the past 2 years.

It was disproved long ago. Our friend the Razorgor did that.

**RoninXiC**

The Razorgor is actually a good model for beastmen. Not great, but far better than its looks :x

**DarkStarSabre**

RoninXiC wrote:
The Razorgor is actually a good model for beastmen. Not great, but far better than its looks :x

That's not that hard to accomplish. I'm pretty sure Gnoblars are far better than the Razorgor looks.

**angelofvengeance**

That's why I made my own Razorgors..or rather, my brother did.

**dragqueeninspace**

Platuan4th wrote:
dragqueeninspace wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
I wonder if they're going to borrow anything from KoW rules set?

I hope not.

KOW is focused on fast, simple rules based around units not monsters, magic and characters.

I know what KoW is focused on, thanks, and it's a game I find mind numbingly boring and uninteresting where the models are tokens used to determine a foot print and not actual models.

Wow I hit a nerve there. Don't worry if Gw were going to go streamlined and balanced they would have done it by now, it doesn't fit their business model so you are fine. FYI the model shape does matter in the current KOW rules for LOS.

**Prestor Jon**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Guildsman wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Well, if our one lonely special snowflake hero does end up being Draigo coming out the other end of Chaos, who knows what the guy is capable of at that point?

Plus I thought whatever we see in 9th is going to be some time after... time ended. Like centuries and stuff. Good chance for new fluff to start, especially with all the aftermath of what's occurred and how the various factions plan on rebuilding.

Considering the talk about other worlds, I'd say at most the world ended, but not the whole universe.

And even that isn't something that is automatically the end of everything.

When the world is an integral part of the setting, yes it is.

We're not talking about the equivalent of the old philosophical conundrum about the broom here(if you replace this bit and that bit of a broom over many years as they break or wear out until eventually none of the original parts remain, is it still the same broom?), we're talking about breaking the broom in half over your knee, stomping up and down on the remains until they're splinters, burning the splinters, then going out and buying a hoover. Yes, you still technically possess a device for cleaning your floor, but trying to pretend it's even remotely the same is the height of sophistry.

Exactly. At the end of the book, they explicitly destroyed everything. Every character, every army, every living thing in the Warhammer world is dead. For them to bring back any of the current kits, they have to engage in a serious erasure of what they've just written.

In a way, it makes sense. One of the rumors for this new edition is that they'll be implementing short-run, limited edition kits that will only be available for a short time and then gone forever. What if the End Times kits are the first of these?

If they release WHFB 9Ed and just dismiss the End Times like they did Storm of Chaos and leave the game relatively unchanged then I think that would almost be worse than just destroying the game and starting over completely new.

It really, really, really, really, really, really wouldn't.

Yes, actually, it would. Between all the books and models released for this one event, only to be undone in a fashion that smacks of 'Dallas' would be viewed as an insult to many gamers. Hell, even Storm of Chaos being retconned out of existence is looked down upon by many vets. We've spent the last half-year getting engrossed by this awesome story, and for GW to dream it all away will cheapen the whole bloody thing.

I know you're still steamed about GW allegedly taking a huge steaming dump on your WFRP campaign - again, you can ignore End Times for that - but for those of us who invested both financially and emotionally into the End Times, forgetting it happened would be a slap in the face.

Yeah, the point I was trying to make was that after all of the secrecy, the expensive special editions, the books, the new model releases, the new rules, the extensive drastic changes to the background, all of that, if GW then tells us jus kidding guys, everything is staying pretty much the same, here buy the new WHFB 8.5 rulebooks, they're slightly different that would constitute the most incredible epic trolling of a fan base ever. That to me would be more insulting and off putting then if GW just decided to scrap a nonprofitable WHFB game and start over new.

**Kanluwen**

Preorders just went up.

Interestingly enough here in the US, no Siege of Vraks listed for Preorder.

**Azreal13**

Skarr Bloodwrath and the Wrathmongers?

I think I've got one of their albums.

**Wonderwolf**

Lol. Skarr Bloody is actually 2 sprues.

This must be a first, no? The first ~32mm mono-pose character mini made from 2 sprues?

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**Chopxsticks**

Wow they kicked it up a notch with that Skarr Bloodwrath model. Looks pretty cool aside from the chains on the axes and the demon hoof feet...

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Im no professional painter by any means but wouldnt it look cooler to paint his skin some other color instead of red, so you could then make it looks like exposed muscle underneath? I imagine though GW paints them like this so their site doesnt get flagged or something.

**Desubot**

They paint it that way because they want it to look like something there average customer could do.

il be honest crazy insanely good paint jobs can demoralize me some times

**Azreal13**

I can see the helmet-less head cropping up in more than a few Abaddon conversions..

**Chopxsticks**

Im already thinking about what I could attach those chains to. Not those Axes, thats for sure, but I could see them on something else.

**Jinx Magiga**

I love how the Legion of Khorne costs 666 euros

**Bull0**

I'd definitely want to leave the chains off the axes, but otherwise, cool model.

**Kanluwen**

Chains moved to his vambraces could be a cool flow.

**Platuan4th**

dragqueeninspace wrote:
Wow I hit a nerve there.

Not at all, actually. Mostly, my response phrasing was because you KoW players tend to just assume that the people who aren't fans haven't tried it or know anything about it.

**Sidstyler**

I actually kinda like the model, I just hate the chains attached to the axes. And he definitely needs to keep the helmet on. And "Bloodwrath" is really god-damned stupid. And that price is insane. But you know, other than that it's decent.

**H.B.M.C.**

Wonderwolf wrote:
Lol. Skarr Bloody is actually 2 sprues.

This must be a first, no? The first ~32mm mono-pose character mini made from 2 sprues?

Yes. Colour me quite surprised.

Shame it's such a terrible model.

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Give him a better paintjob and snip off those ridiculous flails and I think you'd have quite a nice model. That red skin is just hideous.

~Tim?

**timetowaste85**

No need to snip the flails. They're separate pieces!!

**ClockworkZion**

timetowaste85 wrote:
No need to snip the flails. They're separate pieces!!

You do need to snip their connectors but they're not overly obtrusive.

**jonolikespie**

Without those ridiculous chains and the silly rock he's jumping off it could have been one sprue at half the price....

**FrothingMuppet**

I mentioned on Warseer I was stumped at that pricing - nearly double the price of Gutrot for a mini that's not noticeably bigger?!

Only just noticed when I looked at the 360 shot that the flails have skulls on their ends - I'd originally though they were stones.

Also, his back is worked in the shape of the Khorne symbol - that's the theme of this release character wise going by this and the symbols on the Thirster wings.

**Zewrath**

Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

My reaction when I saw the model:

Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that I've used poor Michael Jordan several times now, but I can't find proper words to describe the stupidity, and somehow yet hilarious, that is this model and his axe-flails-thingies... The gif above is the only way I can make my reaction justice.

**BorderCountess**

The worst part of this Khorne-heavy release is that even Archaon has Khorne-favored rules (his results for '7' rolls on Eye of the Gods and Reign of Chaos are both the Khorne result). The one guy who is supposed to be the representation on Chaos Undivided is apparently all about the Khorne.

**SlaveToDorkness**

Chaos has been Khorne leaning for aboooout 30 years now.

**Bonesnapper**

Is it just me or doesn't swinging great hammers in chains or having long chains from your axe seem to be a perfect way to knock yourself unconscious or make yourself trip?

In my opinion it gets silly.

**changemod**

What are Archie's rules looking like anyhow?

**timetowaste85**

I'm curious too. I have my book set aside, but can't get to it til the end of the month.