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All looks nice enough (and I'm kind of annoyed I already have a UM Command Squad, as those bits are dead cool!). I was really hoping the Assault Squad would be a 10-man box, but alas it seems building full squads will be just as expensive if not more so.

   
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Take new 5 man squad, get 5 jump packs for like 8 bucks, spread bits around with 5 old power armor marines

10 man squad


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Take new 5 man squad, get 5 jump packs for like 8 bucks, spread bits around with 5 old power armor marines

10 man squad

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I agree, it is doable. I would have just preferred a full 10-man box for, say, £30ish, just to have everything in one place and save a bit, while still allowing the (arguably inexplicable) obligatory 'more than Tacticals' price from GW.

£20 for five is almost fine for elite units you'll only need one box of, but for something you likely want at least 20 of its a bit much.

   
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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Am I the only one who sees the new DA guy and thinks he looks like he is wearing a khorne beserker helmet?


The wing things are stupidly large.
   
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Can anyone with younger eyes then mine glean any information from the text on the AM’s page?

Making a pair of new sergeants for my assault squads has been percolating around my to-do list. As is one more VV and a new foot captain. UM sprue plus a box of the new AMs should be just what I need. Well, “need” is used very loosely here, but will still get my wallet open.

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 Kosake wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
 Kosake wrote:
The assault kit looks pretty bland to me. Aren't those just regular marines with a jump pack and a rock to stand on..? Meh.


The differences are subtle but the walking/running legs are nice for doing squads where they aren't all doing the turkish lavatory position. And it might just be bad compression on the image but the two guys on the right look like they've got slightly different helms?

What would you change?


I've just looked at the last Assault Marines and they allready have similar leg positioning. Maybe a bit less dynamic but not the typical latrine despoiler stance. It's not what I'd change, it's just that overall, I just don't see any reason for the new kit whatsoever. The old one looked decent enough, the new one looks almost the same. There are a lot of kits that need an update - badly. Just look at Ork buggies, most of what Demons have in the elites section, any CSM infantry except for the raptor-tallon dual kit and SOB in their entiriety.


Have you built one of the older SM plastic kits recently? They're an utter nightmare; soft & blurry detail, huge stubborn mould lines, warping, gaps everywhere. While I agree there are a lot of other things in the queue for replacement that are perhaps more deserving, but by no means is there no reason to replace the ASM kit.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 Kosake wrote:
 Bull0 wrote:
 Kosake wrote:
The assault kit looks pretty bland to me. Aren't those just regular marines with a jump pack and a rock to stand on..? Meh.


The differences are subtle but the walking/running legs are nice for doing squads where they aren't all doing the turkish lavatory position. And it might just be bad compression on the image but the two guys on the right look like they've got slightly different helms?

What would you change?


I've just looked at the last Assault Marines and they allready have similar leg positioning. Maybe a bit less dynamic but not the typical latrine despoiler stance. It's not what I'd change, it's just that overall, I just don't see any reason for the new kit whatsoever. The old one looked decent enough, the new one looks almost the same. There are a lot of kits that need an update - badly. Just look at Ork buggies, most of what Demons have in the elites section, any CSM infantry except for the raptor-tallon dual kit and SOB in their entiriety.


Have you built one of the older SM plastic kits recently? They're an utter nightmare; soft & blurry detail, huge stubborn mould lines, warping, gaps everywhere. While I agree there are a lot of other things in the queue for replacement that are perhaps more deserving, but by no means is there no reason to replace the ASM kit.


Yeah, basically that.

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So what you are saying is that the optically okay kit for space marines should get an update because it's got a wee bit used around the edges while the completely horrible, aged sculpts for xenos and demons (and the way furies look I bet they've been around even longer than the ork buggy, seriously, what are they? 2nd Edition? Rogue Trader?) can wait another 5 years when GW runs out of ideas for space marines?
Sorry, I am not convinced. Yeah, mould lines can be a pain, but do you think those are any less present on say the (ill-designed and bit-lacking) havoc kit?

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 Kosake wrote:
So what you are saying is that the optically okay kit for space marines should get an update because it's got a wee bit used around the edges while the completely horrible, aged sculpts for xenos and demons (and the way furies look I bet they've been around even longer than the ork buggy, seriously, what are they? 2nd Edition? Rogue Trader?) can wait another 5 years when GW runs out of ideas for space marines?
Sorry, I am not convinced. Yeah, mould lines can be a pain, but do you think those are any less present on say the (ill-designed and bit-lacking) havoc kit?


No mate we're agreeing with you that there are lots of things that should be updated first but there's some logic in doing this one, particularly since SM are the cash cow

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 Yodhrin wrote:

Have you built one of the older SM plastic kits recently? They're an utter nightmare; soft & blurry detail, huge stubborn mould lines, warping, gaps everywhere. While I agree there are a lot of other things in the queue for replacement that are perhaps more deserving, but by no means is there no reason to replace the ASM kit.


Yes, exactly. ASM, Devastator and Command (which shares the same body sprue as Devastator) have lower torso pieces that all look closer to finecast than HIPS. The details are fuzzy, the flat panels aren't smooth, and so on. Plus, they are many pieces short of a full sprue compared to a modern kit.


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 Kosake wrote:
So what you are saying is that the optically okay kit for space marines should get an update because it's got a wee bit used around the edges while the completely horrible, aged sculpts for xenos and demons (and the way furies look I bet they've been around even longer than the ork buggy, seriously, what are they? 2nd Edition? Rogue Trader?) can wait another 5 years when GW runs out of ideas for space marines?
Sorry, I am not convinced. Yeah, mould lines can be a pain, but do you think those are any less present on say the (ill-designed and bit-lacking) havoc kit?


Space Marines are updated because they are the most popular faction in the game, by a wide margin. Most of my friends that are Xenos players, at some point, have built some Space Marines. Frankly, I'm shocked there weren't new Eldar guardians and Aspect Warriors.

But anyhow, it's not an either/or. GW has pumped out TONS of models this year so far, and we're only approaching the half-way mark. There will be plenty of time for more Xenos models. Also, AdMech is Imperium, but the aesthetic is anything but the clean Guard/Astartes human look.

Why Chaos gets so little model love, I will never understand. Maybe it's not a popular faction to play? I think it is, but who knows.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
SW shouldn't even exist, since there is basically no place that people will be using them since SW have all of their own kits. BA and DA could have come later. DA already have/had an upgrade sprue.


Im confused, SW has less specific kits than BA
SW:
Logan
PA
Terminators
TWC
(Dreadnought, Flyer)

BA:
Sanguinary priest
Librarian
PA tacticals
PA DC with jump packs
Sanguinary guard
Terminators
(Dreadnoughts, Predators, Flyer)

Not that it matters, none of them should be given upgrade sprues while other chapters/legions lack basic coverage.
To be fair though, if they pulled out a sprue like this to "fix" the lack of chaos legion specific models, people would get... upset.
   
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So I talked to my source today, and we came to the conclusion that the DA tac squad I heard about and the upgrade set are one and the same. Hence why I was hearing conflicting rumours about it turning up.

Based on that I don't have any information as to whether GW are going to produced a DA specific Tac. Squad in the future. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up on that front. Vague info is a [censored]

I haven't any exact info yet, but based on this I think the Deathwatch Veteran and Terminator kits I heard about will be upgrade sets in line with these new upgrade sets.
   
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Soo.. Dark Angels get gak on yet again. I'm not surprised lol.


You have your own codex and got some cool figures not long ago SoB just got a digital book I'd be happy if I were you.
   
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Soo.. Dark Angels get gak on yet again. I'm not surprised lol.


You never collected Chaos "brethern" didnt you?

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Yeah, as a DA player, we are pretty golden on our model range compared to a lot of others. I really wish they had not dropped the old vet/upgrade sprue, but it's done. The one thing I wish to hell they would come out with is a bike command box. Something where you could build a chapter-neutral bike mounted captain/librarian/techpriest/Chaplin.

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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Soo.. Dark Angels get gak on yet again. I'm not surprised lol.


not concerned about new kits, plenty of decent models available for the DA. I just want a decent codex with units that match up with the current meta.
   
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Well, maybe chaos is an unpopular faction exactly because half of the models were done in the 90s? And because of the lack of frequent new stuff? That's not even taking ballance into account. I'm not a competetive player but I heard that chaos is rather "meh" in it's current version.

Correspondingly, would marines be as popular if they were not force-fed to you in every single starter kit? And constantly get some goodies from GW main and Frogeworld?

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Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.

   
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I'll echo the majority.

The sprues are small and underwhelming and apart from the UM one they are also largely redundant
Should have gone with IH, WS, Sallies and RG instead of DA/BA/SW

Also the Codex didn't need replacing in any case

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Do we know that the codex is being replaced and that this isn't just a splash release of upgrade sprues?

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 pretre wrote:
Do we know that the codex is being replaced and that this isn't just a splash release of upgrade sprues?


Yes since we got redirects for a new Codex, Command Tanks as well as the Upgrade Kits, Devastators and Assault Marines. Also common sense...

   
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 Fayric wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
SW shouldn't even exist, since there is basically no place that people will be using them since SW have all of their own kits. BA and DA could have come later. DA already have/had an upgrade sprue.


Im confused, SW has less specific kits than BA
SW have their own Tactical, Devastator, Assault, and Terminator kits. BA have their own Tactical and Assault Terminator kits, so their have to use the standard SM kit for Devastator, Assault, and Tactical Terminators. So BA have more kits that need to upgrade than SW. I am not talking actual kits in total kits (though SW have 9 exclusive non-character kits to BA's 7, so even then SW edge BA out...).


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So I talked to my source today, and we came to the conclusion that the DA tac squad I heard about and the upgrade set are one and the same. Hence why I was hearing conflicting rumours about it turning up.

Based on that I don't have any information as to whether GW are going to produced a DA specific Tac. Squad in the future. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up on that front. Vague info is a [censored]

I haven't any exact info yet, but based on this I think the Deathwatch Veteran and Terminator kits I heard about will be upgrade sets in line with these new upgrade sets.
That isn't necessarily true. BA received a Tactical Squad and are still getting an upgrade sprue. So don't give up hope. There is still a lot of room for a new DA tactical squad kit, it will probably release with the new DA codex, not the SM codex.

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 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.


There probably should be, but then all the Sisters players would act up.

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 Timotheus wrote:
 pretre wrote:
Do we know that the codex is being replaced and that this isn't just a splash release of upgrade sprues?


Yes since we got redirects for a new Codex, Command Tanks as well as the Upgrade Kits, Devastators and Assault Marines. Also common sense...

So you agree that there hasn't been any info on an actual codex release. Thanks!

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Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

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Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

Agreed. There have been solid sources that rumored a new book. I was basically asking if there was actual confirmation though.

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 Azreal13 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.


There probably should be, but then all the Sisters players would act up.


Seriously, if one deserves that thread, then it's sisters.

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