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Maybe the Terminus pattern will make a return.

Pewpewpew.

If the Heavy Support vehicles become squadroned, I'll bet Hammerheads and Sky Rays will become as well. Oh joy

I wonder how people will react when they will see that their IF(Sentinel of terra) and IH( Clan Rauhkaan) books will be invalidated just like Eldar and Iyanden did...

Oh the sea of salty tears and cries...

Is Iyanden for sure gone, even?

So much whine and bread in this thread.

Don't like it, don't play it.

Change is good, as are updated rules. Keeps the meta alive.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Between the usual SM favoritism

Wut?

In amount of fluff they get, for sure.

But vanilla SM have never been the best army.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Is Iyanden for sure gone, even?

It is gone. It disappeared when the "old" codex was removed. Typical GW move. They did the same thing with the Knight Codex as well. At this rate, you're better off downloading the pirated copies rather than having to replace them every year or so.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Between the usual SM favoritism

Wut?

In amount of fluff they get, for sure.

But vanilla SM have never been the best army.

Vanilla Marines were the best balanced army. They were strong yet not stupid powerful like Tau, Eldar and Necrons. They had multiple builds that were viable. I wish GW would have tried to bring the rest of the books in line with them. Oh well...

Nocturnus wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Is Iyanden for sure gone, even?

It is gone. It disappeared when the "old" codex was removed. Typical GW move. They did the same thing with the Knight Codex as well. At this rate, you're better off downloading the pirated copies rather than having to replace them every year or so.

Did they explicitly address that or is this something that everyone just assumed?

And yes, I encourage anyone to pirate the books to decide when/if you want to buy them.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Is Iyanden for sure gone, even?

It is gone. It disappeared when the "old" codex was removed. Typical GW move. They did the same thing with the Knight Codex as well. At this rate, you're better off downloading the pirated copies rather than having to replace them every year or so.

Did they explicitly address that or is this something that everyone just assumed?

And yes, I encourage anyone to pirate the books to decide when/if you want to buy them.

GW NEVER addresses anything. Especially the invalidating of a players army. If you don't see it on the website, it never existed seems to be their stance on things.

As someone who has only ever played BTs, a new SM codex is making me really happy right now.

I really disliked the homogenization that GW performed on my chapter and while I will likely never get back all of the flavor that I lost with the old 4th Ed Codex, It'll be interesting to see what they do to address the lack of direction (and effectiveness) for BTs.

If they do a good job I'll buy the dex, if not I'll keep playing Crons.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Is Iyanden for sure gone, even?

It is gone. It disappeared when the "old" codex was removed. Typical GW move. They did the same thing with the Knight Codex as well. At this rate, you're better off downloading the pirated copies rather than having to replace them every year or so.

Did they explicitly address that or is this something that everyone just assumed?

And yes, I encourage anyone to pirate the books to decide when/if you want to buy them.

There's an email floating around, I don't remember to/from who, where GW says that the book was intended for the old codex and does not work with the new one. It also says that if you can house rule it to make it work, that is encouraged. Not everyone will take 'an email from Joe Schmoe' as scripture though, but it answers the question well enough for me.

I expect the new tank will be where the D-weapons end up. Seeing as most SM weaponry pops up in other Imperial books makes me doubt we'd see something like D-lascannons...but never say never.

Assuming this bit of information is true, the release rate of rules is getting almost frantic. Maybe they want to get everyone up to date before they bring out 40K End Times and suck the galaxy down a giant cosmic plughole.

I don't think it will directly be "these things fire strength D weapons!" but rather it might have an "Orbital Strike Uplink" of some kind.

I suppose I just assume that after Eldar D-weapons will be a regular thing in Codices now. That said, I am trying to think of which existing units could possibly be changed to use D weapons a la Wraithguard, if such a thing were to happen. Centurion drills maybe?

I don't think you'll be seeing new releases to match up with Eldar. They had a chance for ranged D on the new knights and passed on it.

 Eldarain wrote:
I don't think you'll be seeing new releases to match up with Eldar. They had a chance for ranged D on the new knights and passed on it.

Like many I expected a D-str arms race as well, but not one in the new IK book... arguably the easiest place to expect them, confirms that Eldar are a real aberration and sure to ruin our meta for years to come.

 Theophony wrote:
Don't worry they'll get a rule like immune to D-strength attacks because the power of the machine spirit is strong with them.

Which Chaos won't get when they eventually get redone.

The Sins of Haines prohibit us from getting shiny toys or rules.

I'm still baffled about why Imperials can fit 12 guys in a Land Raider and Chaos can only fit 10. I wasn't aware that Marine Yoga was really a thing.

What the hell GW?

Should have seen it coming though. Sweet, now I get to put ANOTHER army on hold while I wait to see how the rules change.

I've got a whole box of Skaven and Helfs needing attention but that got put off for you-know-what. Now I figure is a good time to revamp my Spa.... What?

New codex time already? Yeah, I should have smelled the gak when GW sent me an email saying the new Eldar Dex was getting replaced. Then Knights?

I thought I would be excited about a new codex for my army next year. Next year!

Dammit GW, you make it really fething hard to justify this gak to the wife!

 Fezman wrote:
I suppose I just assume that after Eldar D-weapons will be a regular thing in Codices now. That said, I am trying to think of which existing units could possibly be changed to use D weapons a la Wraithguard, if such a thing were to happen. Centurion drills maybe?

I wouldn't rule out the long-range profile for the Conversion Beamer, Seismic Hammer, Orbital Bombardment and possibly even Grav Weapons in some form (even if they have a penalty like D-Scythes).

There's not shortage of potentials elsewhere too; Tau Railguns, Tyranid Warp Lance, Daemon gifts and powers, crazy Necron gadgets, and other new units. I have no doubt GW are watching the sales figures for Wraith units rising now and thinking "let's keep doing that!".

Why do people keep forgetting Deathstrike Missiles?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why do people keep forgetting Deathstrike Missiles?

Because nukes are boring.













....

I wish.

You know I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no other faction will get D weapons, at least not in the abundance that Eldar have. It's just a feeling I have in my bones.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
You know I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no other faction will get D weapons, at least not in the abundance that Eldar have. It's just a feeling I have in my bones.

I feel the same way.

If you're tired of your armies' codexes being updated too frequently, there is, realistically, an option.

Play Sisters of Battle. You'll have all the time in the world to lavish over your army composition, and paint your miniatures one at a time to an exacting standard.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
You know I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no other faction will get D weapons, at least not in the abundance that Eldar have. It's just a feeling I have in my bones.

This. Eldar seem to get special treatment rules-wise because they are Eldar.
I could see Dark Angels or Space Marines getting access to a 50 point one shot Vortex grenade though.

Kitwise, there are a few logical releases for Marines. 3-4 of the following-
Assault Squad needs an update to match the new Tac marines and Vanguard.
Honor Guard don't have models (well, in Marines terms. Marines are easy to convert from other marine kits)
Thunderfire Cannon is a large resin kit.
Techmarines of all sorts need plastic clampack
Plastic Terminator Chaplain clampack
Dreadnought and Razorback could use new sprues with all their weapon options.
Predator could use a new sprue to have better sponsons like the Baal predator (also to drop it from 3 separate sprues for the guns and hatches down to 1)
Black Templar Crusader Squad.
Characters on Bikes clampack/box.

I hear that the Khan is losing his option to ride a bike because he doesn't have a model for it!

I'm just looking forward to seeing DAs get an update and some formations. Unlike others, I love the concept behind formations, reminds me of the old epic Space Marine datacards.

But this isn't a Dark Angels release, this is a new Space Marine codex, right? Remember, Dark Angels are not Space Marines, they are a completely unique and separate army from Space Marines, with their own models, rules, and organization. That's the entire reason why they got their own book and why DA players scream bloody murder every time someone even suggests that all the Marine chapters could be represented in a single book.

 Sidstyler wrote:
But this isn't a Dark Angels release, this is a new Space Marine codex, right? Remember, Dark Angels are not Space Marines, they are a completely unique and separate army from Space Marines, with their own models, rules, and organization. That's the entire reason why they got their own book and why DA players scream bloody murder every time someone even suggests that all the Marine chapters could be represented in a single book.

I know some people who play their DA (or BA) models as regular space marines, and just call them something else. Obviously, without the faction-specific stuff like ravenwing command or sanguinary guard, or the faction-specific loadouts (like trimelta ASM). Some peeps just like the models and bits you can get


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
You know I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no other faction will get D weapons, at least not in the abundance that Eldar have. It's just a feeling I have in my bones.

This. Eldar seem to get special treatment rules-wise because they are Eldar.

Well, this is a pretty safe bet, since the WD says the Eldar have more D weapons than any other race

But that's ok, just give Land Raiders a new sprue with a twelve lascannon array, and we'll call it even!