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Pandabeer wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.

That would be silly, the Riptide isn't a Stormsurge. It should be a high risk, high reward unit that is slightly squishy but mobile and has a lot of firepower if you're willing to take the mortal wound from the Nova Reactor for it.

Actually if you go by fluff, the riptide is an attention grabbing mobile bullet sponge with adequate firepower. It's designed to attract hits and tank them, and contribute enough firepower to take a toll by still being alive to shoot later on rather than glass cannon fire and die.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Guyver 3 wrote:
Mortarion doesn’t even have t8 20w lol

The monolith does.

And it’s such a bargain at nearly 400 points!!

Guyver 3 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Guyver 3 wrote:
Mortarion doesn’t even have t8 20w lol

The monolith does.

And it’s such a bargain at nearly 400 points!!

Yes...so? I don't see your point.
You scoffed at the idea of a model having T8 20W because Mortarion doesn't.
I point out there is another model that already has that who's not Mortarion, indicating that there's a precedence.
I don't see the relevance in its inflated points value.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Guyver 3 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Guyver 3 wrote:
Mortarion doesn’t even have t8 20w lol

The monolith does.

And it’s such a bargain at nearly 400 points!!

Yes...so? I don't see your point.
You scoffed at the idea of a model having T8 20W because Mortarion doesn't.
I point out there is another model that already has that who's not Mortarion, indicating that there's a precedence.
I don't see the relevance in its inflated points value.

My problem is that the Monolith is a gigantic regenerating necrodemis made structure compared to a much smaller suit for a being that can be shot through it. But that's more of my issue rather then trying to comprehend what he was trying to say.

Ok, that's a fair point. The riptide doesn't really have the structure to justify such a stat line, yes.

I think I was pointing out that a much more expensive daemon primarch doesn’t have those stats but the original poster was hoping that a riptide that has had a points reduction would have them with no justification.

Hence why I put the lol at the end

I found it funny

Oh, alright, that makes sense. Receiving those stats after a price decrease does appear ludicrous.

I find it hilarious that you guys have had this entire conversation that actually somewhat belittles one of your fellow forum posters.

You have literally laughed at someone (not with) for making a joke, you could have read 4 posts later on where he said it was an attempt at humour but NAAAAAH let's go off topic and discuss what an idiot you think someone is.

Does this mean people will still play drone spam?
Or do they need a combined arms approach?

GAZ_NZ wrote:
Does this mean people will still play drone spam?
Or do they need a combined arms approach?

Drones got nerfed, so... Probably no more drone spam?

The Farsight Trait is very underwhelming. It works for breachers and crisis suits with flamers... and thats it. The range is too short.

They could at least have given them +2 WS for Farsight suits and firecaste warriors, like they did with Catachan and their +1S. Is not like it would have done anything, they are Tau, but is a little bone.

 Galas wrote:
The Farsight Trait is very underwhelming. It works for breachers and crisis suits with flamers... and thats it. The range is too short.

They could at least have given them +2 WS for Farsight suits and firecaste warriors, like they did with Catachan and their +1S. Is not like it would have done anything, they are Tau, but is a little bone.

I like the theory of it; it's supposed to make you want to play your army in an unusual way. It's supposed to make you want to get into close quarters, making the range longer would defeat the purpose.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The Farsight Trait is very underwhelming. It works for breachers and crisis suits with flamers... and thats it. The range is too short.

They could at least have given them +2 WS for Farsight suits and firecaste warriors, like they did with Catachan and their +1S. Is not like it would have done anything, they are Tau, but is a little bone.

I like the theory of it; it's supposed to make you want to play your army in an unusual way. It's supposed to make you want to get into close quarters, making the range longer would defeat the purpose.

Oh, I can totally understand the intent of the trait. Maybe I'm underselling it. Farsight is the "Suit" faction, so probably this trait is designed to spam a ton of stealth and crisis suits, get close, shoot, and if you are charged then just fall back and shoot again because they can Fly.

I really want to know to what units this traits apply.

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.

Nope. No wound change to riptide .

Riptide points down 24, HBC down 20, Ion Accelerator down 42.


Gun Drones +4
Shield Drones +2
Marker Drones same.

Broadside -20 HRR -27 HYMP -16 SMS-5
Skyray -19 Hammerhead -17

If this is true very disappointing. Those units still cost too much to be viable and they Nerfed drones

notredameguy10 wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I hope the new Tau Codex gives riptides 20 wounds @ T8.

And I hope stealth suits get -2 to incoming shots.

Nope. No wound change to riptide .

Riptide points down 24, HBC down 20, Ion Accelerator down 42.


Gun Drones +4
Shield Drones +2
Marker Drones same.

Broadside -20 HRR -27 HYMP -16 SMS-5
Skyray -19 Hammerhead -17

If this is true very disappointing. Those units still cost too much to be viable and they Nerfed drones

Nonsense! Point drops are welcome and drones needed an increase so people will take firewarriors.

Hiraku our leaks savior again!

Since I know in the past you've focused on what looks competitive, any thoughts on best units now?

-52 points for every one of my HRR Broadsides is one more squad of Firewarriors. I'm totally happy with that. Just by that I have gain 156 more points for my list, because I normally run 3 HRR Broadsides with Missile Pods.

Bor'kan is really, really interesting. +6" to RF and Heavy weapons are quite good for T'au. Pulse Rifles double-tapping at 18", yummy!

Supposing only INFANTRY, DRONES and BATTLESUITS will get <SEPT> bonuses, we get these results:
- Ghostkeel's CIR up to 30". That's pretty amazing!
- Riptide's HBC up to 42"
- Broadside's HYMP up to 42" and SMS to 36". Outstanding!
- Pathfinder's Ion and Rail Rifles at 36"
- Kroot Rifles at 30"
- MARKERLIGHTS AT 40"!!!
- Crisis' Plasma Rifle at 30" (but I hope its profile changes)
- Y'vahra's IDC up to 18" and PPF to 14" (useable after Escape Thrust!)
- Ta'unar's Fusion Erradicator up to 30"

Also, Kel'shan is missing. Looks like we'll have to wait FW to release it...

Would also like to know points cost change to the battlesuits-especially Crisis Suits.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Bor'kan is really, really interesting. +6" to RF and Heavy weapons are quite good for T'au. Pulse Rifles double-tapping at 18", yummy!

Supposing only INFANTRY, DRONES and BATTLESUITS will get <SEPT> bonuses, we get these results:
- Ghostkeel's CIR up to 30". That's pretty amazing!
- Riptide's HBC up to 42"
- Broadside's HYMP up to 42" and SMS to 36". Outstanding!
- Pathfinder's Ion and Rail Rifles at 36"
- Kroot Rifles at 30"
- MARKERLIGHTS AT 40"!!!
- Crisis' Plasma Rifle at 30" (but I hope its profile changes)
- Y'vahra's IDC up to 18" and PPF to 14" (useable after Escape Thrust!)
- Ta'unar's Fusion Erradicator up to 30"

Also, Kel'shan is missing. Looks like we'll have to wait FW to release it...

They're not Space Marines, so Tau will get their traits on everything.

Competitive Tau players from 7th are going to be over the moon, Broadsides and Riptides dropping anywhere from 50 to 70+ points each depending on weapon load-out is fantastic. Bor'kan is tailor made for those units too, makes hiding from them in the early turns almost impossible. Hopefully Crisis Suits get a decent drop too.

A pressing question is what, if any, changes happened to the Ion Accelerator profile? Even with the gargantuan points drops the Heavy Burst Cannon is still looking like the better deal at the moment, especially based off that earlier leak from Haechi.

Early days but if the 1 Commander per detachment thing is accurate, I can see the default Tau build being 2 Battalions + Spearhead/Outrider/Vanguard or 1 Battalion + 2 Spearheads/Outriders/Vanguards with Super Heavy Auxiliaries thrown in if the Stormsurge is any good. Again, early days, but given that Commanders are auto-takes so you want the max 3 in an army and the other HQ slots are easily filled with Ethereals/Fireblades/etc and Tau Troops are cheap and fairly efficient there's almost no reason not to go for all those CP. Of course there's going to be way more changes than we can judge right now so will wait and see but that's my feeling so far.

One commander per detachment is just odd, won’t tau be the only army in 40k that has that kind of limit?

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any other army that has limits on hqs (excluding named characters!)

Guyver 3 wrote:
One commander per detachment is just odd, won’t tau be the only army in 40k that has that kind of limit?

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any other army that has limits on hqs (excluding named characters!)

It's no more or less odd than the restriction on Command Squads Guard got hit with.

Guyver 3 wrote:
One commander per detachment is just odd, won’t tau be the only army in 40k that has that kind of limit?

Off the top of my head I can’t think of any other army that has limits on hqs (excluding named characters!)

It will be the odd duck out, but its well deserved. Its too tasty to spam them at the moment.

Plus, you can just spend a CP to get the AUXILIARY SUPPORT DETACHMENT. and keep spamming them

Most settings give you a maximum of three detachments to work with, so you can only ever take at most three commanders in your army. It's a pretty big nerf but is probably better than the severe weakening the commander would have needed if there was no limitation.

I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?

If Hikaru's info is complete, they only got half of the Salamanders trait -- and the weaker half at that for most units -- and then the +1 Ld. You'd definitely prefer the full Salamanders trait.

I mean it’s not hard to spam them as you’ll still want to take multiple detachments to get cp and still need those ethereal and fire blades to buff your units.

It’s just gw’s odd mentality to nerf something in that way but don’t do the same restriction on their other armies. I played a Nids guy in February who took 5 flying hive tyrants but that is “ok” within gws rules whereas tau doing the same must be nerfed asap!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?

Because the Sacea bonus is a "to hit", buth with Salamanders you can rerroll a "To wound" or even a "Damage" roll.

 Galas wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?

Because the Sacea bonus is a "to hit", buth with Salamanders you can rerroll a "To wound" or even a "Damage" roll.

I said basically, and no you don't get a reroll on Damage with Salamanders.