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So like many people I am not a fan of the Chaos Cultist models out, I only want autogun options and I do not want to buy loads being unused so I thought I'd ask you all on Dakka for any suggestions for easy/realtively cheap gun wielding cultists?

I would prefer GW models but I am also equally open to 3rd party bits. I'm just stuck since I was considering using bloodreavers but that would mean I need different ones if I field any form of non Khorne army!

Easiest and cheapest "generic" looking Cultists that come to mind would be Frostgrave Cultists+Heresy minis guns.

For gun-wielders, all I can think of is Guardsmen, maybe GSC.

But if you were looking for pistol/melee, my suggestion would be Skaven Plague Monks. Assemble them with double knives (i.e. throwing knives to represent pistol) and you're done.

I've got 40 of them myself (just 2 boxes) and they work great as Xeno Cultists, or even Poxwalkers or Lesser Daemons. I mostly use mine as either Daemonites (count-as Daemonettes) or to fill out my Nurgle detachment as Plaguebearers (fluff being a Xeno species that succumbed to Nurgles rot and became PBs)

Such a versatile kit, IMO and by far the cheapest option if keeping with GW minis
Bonus: the tiny rats the kit comes with can be bases on 40mms to make count-as Nurglings. 2 boxes made 6 bases

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Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
So like many people I am not a fan of the Chaos Cultist models out, I only want autogun options and I do not want to buy loads being unused so I thought I'd ask you all on Dakka for any suggestions for easy/realtively cheap gun wielding cultists?

I would prefer GW models but I am also equally open to 3rd party bits. I'm just stuck since I was considering using bloodreavers but that would mean I need different ones if I field any form of non Khorne army!

IG kitbashed.
GSC Kitbashed and knifed (has also a stubber and alot of autoguns and potentiall mutations)
Anvil industry
Victoria got some bits.

If price is no issue the Blackstone Fortress renegade guard are ideal. Albeit with multiple sets there would be repetition of poses. Most come with autogus stock.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
If price is no issue the Blackstone Fortress renegade guard are ideal. Albeit with multiple sets there would be repetition of poses. Most come with autogus stock.

I think the OP would find this the opposite of ideal as they specifically want just rifle weilders. The BSF Traitors Guardsmen are the epitome of a "mixed bag" unit the OP does not want to get because he'll have extra non-rifle Cultists

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You can get a lot of mileage out of Necromunda gangs without much conversion work; Escher, Delaque, and Cawdor are probably the best-suited to being Chaos Cultists.

Necromunda models or Blackstone models are just great for cultists tbh

Step 1 - Buy Cadian/Catachan Infantry Squad box.
Step 2 - Assemble and paint Cadians/Catachans.
Step 3 - Field Cadians/Catachans.
Step 4 - Apply dreadsock to 'that guy' when they complain about lasguns.

I took the Greatcoat troops from Wargames Factory but I don't they're still available and if they are Warlord games probably sells them for double the price.

So, simply get some historical 28mm plastic miniatures.
That's the cheap variant.

The expensive variant is puppets war, anvil industry, Wargame Exclusive or GW kits.

if you don't mind 3rd party: madrobot miniatures and Victoria miniatures make crimson pak renegades, pretty much traitor guardsmen.

if you want GW: vraksians from FW or blackstone fortress guardsmen, BSF escalation chaos cultists, or look into Necromunda gangs.

They don't sell the Vraks Renegades any more.

Forge World Renegades & Heretics Page

Only books, tanks, and two massively overpriced artillery pieces.

GSC is an option.

Lasguns bits are super cheap on eBay. Buy whatever cultist models you want and sling the Lasguns on the back.

If money and space were no issue for me, I would buy 1 of each type of cultist, or thing that could represent cultists, that I could and then glue Lasguns on the back of each of them. Let all of that start a Black Legion army.

I used a mix of Cawdor gangers, GSC hybrids, flagellants and some Skitarii hooded heads.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Step 1 - Buy Cadian/Catachan Infantry Squad box.
Step 2 - Assemble and paint Cadians/Catachans.
Step 3 - Field Cadians/Catachans.
Step 4 - Apply dreadsock to 'that guy' when they complain about lasguns.

Isn't that assault, even in canada? Here it would give you a live ban from any store, and people would have no problem with leaking your name to the whole community. And then depending on the age, and if you had a record, you would got to juvy or jail.
I think better would be to buy cadians and catachans, and replace the guns with those produced by kromlech.

Karol wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Step 1 - Buy Cadian/Catachan Infantry Squad box.
Step 2 - Assemble and paint Cadians/Catachans.
Step 3 - Field Cadians/Catachans.
Step 4 - Apply dreadsock to 'that guy' when they complain about lasguns.

Isn't that assault, even in canada? Here it would give you a live ban from any store, and people would have no problem with leaking your name to the whole community. And then depending on the age, and if you had a record, you would got to juvy or jail.
I think better would be to buy cadians and catachans, and replace the guns with those produced by kromlech.

He was not literally advocating assault. More that taking the piss out of an opponent possibly objecting to the use of lasguns, a weapon that has had identical stats to the lasgun in 40K for decades, is entirely justified.

Karol wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Step 1 - Buy Cadian/Catachan Infantry Squad box.
Step 2 - Assemble and paint Cadians/Catachans.
Step 3 - Field Cadians/Catachans.
Step 4 - Apply dreadsock to 'that guy' when they complain about lasguns.

Isn't that assault, even in canada? Here it would give you a live ban from any store, and people would have no problem with leaking your name to the whole community. And then depending on the age, and if you had a record, you would got to juvy or jail.
I think better would be to buy cadians and catachans, and replace the guns with those produced by kromlech.

Here was me thinking it was Germans that didn't get jokes....

Karol wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Step 1 - Buy Cadian/Catachan Infantry Squad box.
Step 2 - Assemble and paint Cadians/Catachans.
Step 3 - Field Cadians/Catachans.
Step 4 - Apply dreadsock to 'that guy' when they complain about lasguns.

Isn't that assault, even in canada? Here it would give you a live ban from any store, and people would have no problem with leaking your name to the whole community. And then depending on the age, and if you had a record, you would got to juvy or jail.
I think better would be to buy cadians and catachans, and replace the guns with those produced by kromlech.

Nah, our PM's a cool guy, he's a big SW fan and all, and proably is a 40k fan, he'd be all like "Dude, forget the law, I'll hold him down while you wack him! And man you know that Karoll guy from dakka dakka, I bet he'll take this post seriously too!"



Just teasing, yeah we have assault laws, but the post was clearly tongue in cheek. Autoguns and lasguns are literally the same weapon in terms of stats, no one'll care.

No, it's battery, but they call it assault in Canada because reasons. As mentioned, it was a very, very, very obvious joke.

I'll make allowances 'cause I'm guessing English is not your first language.

Replacing the lasguns is, IMO, an entirely unnecessary expense. Autoguns and Lasguns are - and AFAIK always have been - statistically identical in 40K.

The only difference I've ever seen is in Oldmunda Ammo Rolls. Haven't played Newmunda, don't know if that still exists.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
No, it's battery, but they call it assault in Canada because reasons. As mentioned, it was a very, very, very obvious joke.

I'll make allowances 'cause I'm guessing English is not your first language.

Karol by his own admission is a bit special.

So neither a language thing nor polish thing,just karol also I do appreciate that He seems to care partially for your freedom and or wallet

Well, his English is a lot better than my Polish is. I'll leave it at that.

I've made some mutant Cultist out of Ork shoots boyz with AoS Ghoul heads. This was before GSC were available though. I would use GSC bodies with Catachan, Chaos Warrior, and Ghoul heads if I were to ever need more.

Cultests are great since they come in all sorts.

Victoria has lots of bits, So with some time could do a bunch of units all to your liking And all to the one store.

I have some Satyxies in my own chaos stuff, mostly for Killteam.
But could use other units from warmachine if you liked there look for what you want. Lots of full rifle units.

Mantic may be a cheep option with the GCPS, but i have not got any of those myself.

Necromunda gangs look awesome as cultests, and with a mix and match they can look like quite a band.
And GW models for those pesky store rules

Cultests also can be everything, so you could get a mix of minis all from where ever gets you fancy.

Some amazing help here everyone, thanks!

I'll have a look at Madrobot, but I do think it may be easiest to just use guardsmen/gsc and apply a real mixture for a motley crew.

I'll post up my results on the gallery when/if I get a chance to experiment

I have six squads of cultists, from four (or five) different sources. I'll break down my thoughts on each:

1) The Dark Vengeance box: I actually really like these kits, although I appreciate if you don't. It is certainly an issue that one squad has a cc load out, and the issue of the autogun-toting ones is that there's a lot of repetition of models. But I love the champion of the Autogun squad - and the CC squad. So they're a convenient kit, if you can get them. Took me weeks until one of the autogun squad became available on eBay, and they're only getting rarer.

2) Guardsman conversions: The benefit here is that it's a cheap box that comes loaded with lasguns, which easily pass as autoguns. One minor downside is that they have a few Imperial symbols, but they're easy enough to file off. The big issue is that the models are a bit boring. This is somewhat palliated if you can get a good head conversion, but still. I found also that the heads I got, although cool, were a bit big. But they're ok - but just ok.

3) GSC Neophytes: The benefits of these is that they're beautiful models, and the come with a full autogun load out. Again they have some GSC symbols, but again they're easy enough to clip off. The main issue is particularly that, with the heads, as well as the distinctive armour, they're very clearly GSC models. I didn't swap out the heads, but went for the least Genestealer-y looking ones. You could head swap, but the armour is always going to be a give away. Not a big issue, particularly as GSC is (I believe) the least played army in 40k. But if you're facing one, they will look like GSCs. I went with the lore that these were converts to a Genestealer cult whose religious fervour was then easily redirected towards Chaos with a few choice words.

4 (and maybe 5) Necromunda Gangs: I went with Cawdor and Delaque. The issue with some gangs (particularly Goliath) is that the models are just too big. This is somewhat an issue with Cawdor, but rather than looking like bigger models, they instead look like taller models, if that makes sense. That is, they don't look like they're from a different model range, but rather that they are models of conspicuously tall humans. They're not tremendously bigger, so it is passed off as Chaos-imbued tallness nonsense. Cawdor obviously fit naturally, as they're already a gang of religious fanatics. The main issue with Necromunda kits of any gang is that none furnish you with sufficient weapon options to cater for 10 autoguns. This issue is compounded by the fact that their arm sockets are all unique, and take a moderate-to-high amount of conversion skill to get autoguns from other kits to look natural (something which is beyond me). And there is no secondary market for Necromunda bits, so you can't really get extra autoguns (or equivalents) off the normal bit sites of eBay. Not being able to get around it, I just built them as I could with a single kit. This does mean, however, that, while most of each of the two squads carry autogun equivalents, some are sporting double knives, sniper rifles, a giant crossbow, or some halberd thingy.

If I were to rank my choices, I'd say preference goes:
1) Necromunda
2) Dark Vengeance cultists
3) GSC
4) Guardsmen

It may not work in ITC, but by the time I got to Necromunda I was just said 'bugger it', and run them as autoguns regardless as they are modelled - a sin most egregious for the CC dark vengeance squad. I excuse myself by thinking that cultists are hardly centrepiece models, and so don't draw too much attention. So while mis-arming a Bloodthirster is a big deal, not so much for cultists. But then I modelled a double handed axe for my bloodthirster and run him as axe + whip, so what the hell do I know?

 TonyH122 wrote:

3) GSC Neophytes: The benefits of these is that they're beautiful models, and the come with a full autogun load out. Again they have some GSC symbols, but again they're easy enough to clip off. The main issue is particularly that, with the heads, as well as the distinctive armour, they're very clearly GSC models. I didn't swap out the heads, but went for the least Genestealer-y looking ones. You could head swap, but the armour is always going to be a give away. Not a big issue, particularly as GSC is (I believe) the least played army in 40k. But if you're facing one, they will look like GSCs. I went with the lore that these were converts to a Genestealer cult whose religious fervour was then easily redirected towards Chaos with a few choice words.

But is that, lore-wise, an official Genestealer Cultists Neophyte rank uniform, or is that just how some generic 40K civilian dudes that happen to belong to a genestealer cult are dressed? My take is more the latter.

For my Death Guard I ended up buying Mantic's 3rd gen mutants, they are disgusting and have all the gun options that normal cultists get.

Crispy78 wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:

3) GSC Neophytes: The benefits of these is that they're beautiful models, and the come with a full autogun load out. Again they have some GSC symbols, but again they're easy enough to clip off. The main issue is particularly that, with the heads, as well as the distinctive armour, they're very clearly GSC models. I didn't swap out the heads, but went for the least Genestealer-y looking ones. You could head swap, but the armour is always going to be a give away. Not a big issue, particularly as GSC is (I believe) the least played army in 40k. But if you're facing one, they will look like GSCs. I went with the lore that these were converts to a Genestealer cult whose religious fervour was then easily redirected towards Chaos with a few choice words.

But is that, lore-wise, an official Genestealer Cultists Neophyte rank uniform, or is that just how some generic 40K civilian dudes that happen to belong to a genestealer cult are dressed? My take is more the latter.

It's both, really.

Those are the Neophyte minis so as far as GW is concerned that's what all Neophytes, everywhere, look like. On the other hand, the idea of the Hive Minds shipping co-ordinated uniforms planet-side is more than a little ridiculous.

 Excommunicatus wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:

3) GSC Neophytes: The benefits of these is that they're beautiful models, and the come with a full autogun load out. Again they have some GSC symbols, but again they're easy enough to clip off. The main issue is particularly that, with the heads, as well as the distinctive armour, they're very clearly GSC models. I didn't swap out the heads, but went for the least Genestealer-y looking ones. You could head swap, but the armour is always going to be a give away. Not a big issue, particularly as GSC is (I believe) the least played army in 40k. But if you're facing one, they will look like GSCs. I went with the lore that these were converts to a Genestealer cult whose religious fervour was then easily redirected towards Chaos with a few choice words.

But is that, lore-wise, an official Genestealer Cultists Neophyte rank uniform, or is that just how some generic 40K civilian dudes that happen to belong to a genestealer cult are dressed? My take is more the latter.

It's both, really.

Those are the Neophyte minis so as far as GW is concerned that's what all Neophytes, everywhere, look like. On the other hand, the idea of the Hive Minds shipping co-ordinated uniforms planet-side is more than a little ridiculous.

Nah, it's STC mining/industrial wear, so likely to be found a lot of places in the Imperium. Obv not all Genestealer Cultists would wear this, but they can't make models for every possible style of dress across the Imperium. Anyway, it'd be perfectly cromulent to use these bodies for Chaos Cultists, but I'd agree the heads aren't really suitable.

Personally, I'd say the Cawdor gangers are the most Cultist-y looking models. Find someone who built their GsC Neophytes with shotguns and persuade them to give you their spare Autoguns, and you're sorted.

Yeah official GSC are based around mining operators that why they have hammers and rockdrills and saws and dinamite, etc...