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Ok, I was pretty hacked off when ca2019 came out. Gw dropped csm to 11ppm, one point less than loyalist tacticals. Obviously that meant that gw considers csm to be inferior marines, cheaper and less effective than their doctrine equipped loyalist cousins.

Then I remembered csm were exactly one point cheaper than tacticals in a previous edition, 3rd. Back then csm were cheaper because you could spend points to make them better with veteran abilities and marks. Could this be gw's plans for a new Chaos Space Marines codex 2.0? A return to paying for veteran abilities and marks that are more meaningful than the ones we currently have? Or does gw just expect csm to be "Spaceius Marinicus Inferialus"?
   
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You WANT to pay same or more than loyalists who have more special rules?

They HAVE less rules and abilities. They don't have doctrines for starters. They need to cost less. You don't pay more for ability to add optional upgrades so those coming don't explain it. What explains is they are worse.

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We had codex 2.0 already, you reckon there's going to be another one??
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, I was pretty hacked off when ca2019 came out. Gw dropped csm to 11ppm, one point less than loyalist tacticals. Obviously that meant that gw considers csm to be inferior marines, cheaper and less effective than their doctrine equipped loyalist cousins.


Given GWs recent bought of sloppiness with points & ever shifting errata, I wouldn't put $ on that.
For all you know csm could cost 11ppm simply because they wrote it on a Tue.
   
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Crispy78 wrote:
We had codex 2.0 already, you reckon there's going to be another one??

Just theorizing. That wasn't a 2.0, barely a 1.5. And of course there will be another round of codexes. There's money in it.
   
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ccs wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, I was pretty hacked off when ca2019 came out. Gw dropped csm to 11ppm, one point less than loyalist tacticals. Obviously that meant that gw considers csm to be inferior marines, cheaper and less effective than their doctrine equipped loyalist cousins.


Given GWs recent bought of sloppiness with points & ever shifting errata, I wouldn't put $ on that.
For all you know csm could cost 11ppm simply because they wrote it on a Tue.


The sad Part is, that maybee true, infact is more likely then any deliberate thought going into balance from the whole team.

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tneva82 wrote:
You WANT to pay same or more than loyalists who have more special rules?

They HAVE less rules and abilities. They don't have doctrines for starters. They need to cost less. You don't pay more for ability to add optional upgrades so those coming don't explain it. What explains is they are worse.

That was the question. Did ca2019 make csm cheaper than tacticals because:

A: There worse than tacticals, and gw plans to keep it that way.

B: They intend to implement an upgrade system similar to what was in the 3.5 edition codex so they made them one point cheaper like they were in 3rd edition.

Or I guess I should have added:

C: Gw's probably just fethed up the points again hurhurhur.

I'll put you down for A.

(This is what I get for looking at my old codex).
   
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I think that standard CSM vs standard SM should be slightly less effective on the battlefield. CSM are not the slick organised well oiled fighting machine that SM are. But what they do have is the papers of chaos and mutations and stuff. Otherwise if they are even as a simple power armour, bolter and knife marine then you can’t, points wise, add as much of the crazy chaos stuff in, which I hope is the way GW go with CSM.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Obviously that meant that gw considers csm to be inferior marines, cheaper and less effective than their doctrine equipped loyalist cousins.
Makes sense if you consider the regular CSM to be ex-loyalist renegades, and the long serving CSM to be among the ranks of the chosen and faction specific options like plague marines.
   
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Yeah, that 1ppm on one troop unit and identical points for every other unit shared between the loyalist and CSM codex really balances out those doctrines

Oh, and chapter tactics, when it comes to all the vehicles.

Reminder: An Iron Hands Land Raider with a multimelta upgrade beats 2 CSM land raiders if the IH land raider takes the first shot.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
You WANT to pay same or more than loyalists who have more special rules?

They HAVE less rules and abilities. They don't have doctrines for starters. They need to cost less. You don't pay more for ability to add optional upgrades so those coming don't explain it. What explains is they are worse.

That was the question. Did ca2019 make csm cheaper than tacticals because:

A: There worse than tacticals, and gw plans to keep it that way.

B: They intend to implement an upgrade system similar to what was in the 3.5 edition codex so they made them one point cheaper like they were in 3rd edition.

Or I guess I should have added:

C: Gw's probably just fethed up the points again hurhurhur.

I'll put you down for A.

(This is what I get for looking at my old codex).

LOL the upgrade system never helped, seriously. If you have to pay points over to be almost the same effectiveness, it is still not upgrading is it?

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
You WANT to pay same or more than loyalists who have more special rules?

They HAVE less rules and abilities. They don't have doctrines for starters. They need to cost less. You don't pay more for ability to add optional upgrades so those coming don't explain it. What explains is they are worse.

That was the question. Did ca2019 make csm cheaper than tacticals because:

A: There worse than tacticals, and gw plans to keep it that way.

B: They intend to implement an upgrade system similar to what was in the 3.5 edition codex so they made them one point cheaper like they were in 3rd edition.

Or I guess I should have added:

C: Gw's probably just fethed up the points again hurhurhur.

I'll put you down for A.

(This is what I get for looking at my old codex).

LOL the upgrade system never helped, seriously. If you have to pay points over to be almost the same effectiveness, it is still not upgrading is it?

So the upgrade system for traits, marks, equipment, etc for units and characters in the 3.5 codex didn't make csm any more effective? The 4th edition codex and everything after haven't been downgrades for the faction?

Okiedokie. Whatever you say.


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.

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I think 8th edition is so bogged down in rules faqs and erratas that it makes the most sense for the next wave of codex to come out after a new edition. For now it makes enough sense to tweak around and let the dust settle.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
You WANT to pay same or more than loyalists who have more special rules?

They HAVE less rules and abilities. They don't have doctrines for starters. They need to cost less. You don't pay more for ability to add optional upgrades so those coming don't explain it. What explains is they are worse.

That was the question. Did ca2019 make csm cheaper than tacticals because:

A: There worse than tacticals, and gw plans to keep it that way.

B: They intend to implement an upgrade system similar to what was in the 3.5 edition codex so they made them one point cheaper like they were in 3rd edition.

Or I guess I should have added:

C: Gw's probably just fethed up the points again hurhurhur.

I'll put you down for A.

(This is what I get for looking at my old codex).

LOL the upgrade system never helped, seriously. If you have to pay points over to be almost the same effectiveness, it is still not upgrading is it?

So the upgrade system for traits, marks, equipment, etc for units and characters in the 3.5 codex didn't make csm any more effective? The 4th edition codex and everything after haven't been downgrades for the faction?

Okiedokie. Whatever you say.


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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.

They were actually mostly useless, yes. One extra attack was unneeded most of the time, and yet that was the second best one. People mostly just want the +1T again and that's it. Your 5++ did not matter most of the time, nor did the I5. The REAL downgrade is how the codex is being written itself.

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 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
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Gadzilla666 wrote:


 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.


I'd certainly like something like that to come back, but I don't think it can really work the same way it did in 3.5. We haven't seen any cases of "Buy special rule for X per model" since then. And part of that is because its very difficult to balance, and points just aren't granular enough. Things cost a lot less now than they used to, so you end up having less to work with when deciding what to price things. And then you run into problems like do you price everything the same for all unit types? Or should costs vary for elite units vs troops?

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I can see why it'd be considered a difficult thing to do.

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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:


 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.


I'd certainly like something like that to come back, but I don't think it can really work the same way it did in 3.5. We haven't seen any cases of "Buy special rule for X per model" since then. And part of that is because its very difficult to balance, and points just aren't granular enough. Things cost a lot less now than they used to, so you end up having less to work with when deciding what to price things. And then you run into problems like do you price everything the same for all unit types? Or should costs vary for elite units vs troops?

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I can see why it'd be considered a difficult thing to do.

Book keeping would be my concern. Armies are a lot bigger now. It would probably have to work on a per detachment basis. Probably for cp instead of points knowing gw's current preferences.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:


 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.


I'd certainly like something like that to come back, but I don't think it can really work the same way it did in 3.5. We haven't seen any cases of "Buy special rule for X per model" since then. And part of that is because its very difficult to balance, and points just aren't granular enough. Things cost a lot less now than they used to, so you end up having less to work with when deciding what to price things. And then you run into problems like do you price everything the same for all unit types? Or should costs vary for elite units vs troops?

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I can see why it'd be considered a difficult thing to do.

Book keeping would be my concern. Armies are a lot bigger now. It would probably have to work on a per detachment basis. Probably for cp instead of points knowing gw's current preferences.


There's a lot of ways they could approach it. It'd be nice to see them get new, 2 part traits that also help vehicles, and custom traits like everyone else. Then there needs to be something equivalent to Doctrines and Super Doctrines, but that works differently. Marks would probably be a good option.

Marks could provide a bonus like -1 ap, +1 to a stat, etc. Perhaps even allow multiple marks per God, and a couple for Undivided. They could be bought for CP on the whole detachment, but the whole detachment has to be the same God. And if your whole army is the same God, you get them for free (bonus for whole army being the same faction, like super doctrine.) Black Legion would have a trait that lets them mix Marks/Gods within the same detachment.

Alternatively, Marks could be for character only and give them more auras, or upgrade their existing auras. For example, a Lord with Mark of Khorne could give full re-rolls to Khorne units.

I'm just speculating of course. But the point is there's a lot of ways this could be done.

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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Spoiler:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:


 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.

That how I see it as well. I was just theorizing on how gw would go about improving on csm and the fact that they are currently 1ppm cheaper than tacticals like in 3rd made me wonder if they were planning something similar to that. Apparently I'm the only one who sees any parallels.


I'd certainly like something like that to come back, but I don't think it can really work the same way it did in 3.5. We haven't seen any cases of "Buy special rule for X per model" since then. And part of that is because its very difficult to balance, and points just aren't granular enough. Things cost a lot less now than they used to, so you end up having less to work with when deciding what to price things. And then you run into problems like do you price everything the same for all unit types? Or should costs vary for elite units vs troops?

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I can see why it'd be considered a difficult thing to do.

Book keeping would be my concern. Armies are a lot bigger now. It would probably have to work on a per detachment basis. Probably for cp instead of points knowing gw's current preferences.


There's a lot of ways they could approach it. It'd be nice to see them get new, 2 part traits that also help vehicles, and custom traits like everyone else. Then there needs to be something equivalent to Doctrines and Super Doctrines, but that works differently. Marks would probably be a good option.

Marks could provide a bonus like -1 ap, +1 to a stat, etc. Perhaps even allow multiple marks per God, and a couple for Undivided. They could be bought for CP on the whole detachment, but the whole detachment has to be the same God. And if your whole army is the same God, you get them for free (bonus for whole army being the same faction, like super doctrine.) Black Legion would have a trait that lets them mix Marks/Gods within the same detachment.

Alternatively, Marks could be for character only and give them more auras, or upgrade their existing auras. For example, a Lord with Mark of Khorne could give full re-rolls to Khorne units.

I'm just speculating of course. But the point is there's a lot of ways this could be done.

As long as the less chaos aligned legions are represented well I'd be happy. My Night Lords don't do daemons. Rules are important but gw has never quite gotten the feel of the legions as right as they did in the 3.5 codex, though Faith and Fury was a step in the right direction.
   
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I think GW have to bring CSM in line with SM don’t they? A CSM codex, an extra codex for at least 4 legions (EC, TS, DG, WE) and the. Supplements for all the other legions. And some demon primarchs.

Especially with the great rift now in existence, it feels like they are moving to the galaxy being 50% under the rule of chaos
   
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mrFickle wrote:
I think GW have to bring CSM in line with SM don’t they? A CSM codex, an extra codex for at least 4 legions (EC, TS, DG, WE) and the. Supplements for all the other legions. And some demon primarchs.

Especially with the great rift now in existence, it feels like they are moving to the galaxy being 50% under the rule of chaos

In terms of support? Yes. Raw power? No. I don't want midnight blue power armour to be the new black power armour. I just want the legions to be distinct from each other and not all Black Legion in different colors.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, I was pretty hacked off when ca2019 came out. Gw dropped csm to 11ppm, one point less than loyalist tacticals. Obviously that meant that gw considers csm to be inferior marines, cheaper and less effective than their doctrine equipped loyalist cousins.

Then I remembered csm were exactly one point cheaper than tacticals in a previous edition, 3rd. Back then csm were cheaper because you could spend points to make them better with veteran abilities and marks. Could this be gw's plans for a new Chaos Space Marines codex 2.0? A return to paying for veteran abilities and marks that are more meaningful than the ones we currently have? Or does gw just expect csm to be "Spaceius Marinicus Inferialus"?

That'd be great, I'm all on board! Marks were great, veteran abilities were great, Cult Terminators were great. So much of Chaos 3.5 was fantastic. A little overboard here and there, but the spirit of the book was top-notch.

Otherwise, cheer up! 100 CSMs costs only 1100 points to field, which is sorta amazing. I'm looking forward to fielding 100 CSMs with 20 Heavy Weapons, and then just filling the rest of the list for flavor. I should count my models though, I may need more to fill the ranks. (darn). I just bought a few more heavy weapons off ebay. I'll probably get some of the HH boxes to add MkIIIs and IVs to my Chaos army, too.

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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.


I don't think it'll happen soon, between Vigilus, Codex 2.0 and PA Chaos got a lot even if it all seemed lagging.
GW could also plan to break up the whole CSM codex, EC and WE should be a given, Blackstone Fortress hinted at Chaos beastmen and traitor guard and other stuff that could potentially be in a total reworked Chaos codex together with the unaligned/ undivided legions and renegades - possibly even throwing out Cult units entirely. Just theorizing of course.
   
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.


I don't think it'll happen soon, between Vigilus, Codex 2.0 and PA Chaos got a lot even if it all seemed lagging.
GW could also plan to break up the whole CSM codex, EC and WE should be a given, Blackstone Fortress hinted at Chaos beastmen and traitor guard and other stuff that could potentially be in a total reworked Chaos codex together with the unaligned/ undivided legions and renegades - possibly even throwing out Cult units entirely. Just theorizing of course.

What's this codex 2.0 you speak of? I don't remember a codex 2.0. I remember a reprint with a couple new data sheets. Do you consider a remastered album new?
   
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What are their plans for CSM?

None lmao
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
I'm expecting that we'll see a big CSM overhaul. Dunno if it'll be a new Codex or come in some other book. CSM are currently conspicuously behind. They are missing a second trait rule and vehicle traits. They are missing an equivalent to doctrines (or big points drops to compensate for not having them at all.) And they are missing custom traits that everyone else got in PA.

My guess is the 2nd Chaos Codex was the end of a previous dev cycle, and then Space Marines Codex 2 was the beginning of a new design philosophy. They couldn't put out a 3rd CSM book right away, but I'll bet its been planned for awhile and just waiting for a place in the release cycle. Probably after PA finishes.


I don't think it'll happen soon, between Vigilus, Codex 2.0 and PA Chaos got a lot even if it all seemed lagging.
GW could also plan to break up the whole CSM codex, EC and WE should be a given, Blackstone Fortress hinted at Chaos beastmen and traitor guard and other stuff that could potentially be in a total reworked Chaos codex together with the unaligned/ undivided legions and renegades - possibly even throwing out Cult units entirely. Just theorizing of course.

What's this codex 2.0 you speak of? I don't remember a codex 2.0. I remember a reprint with a couple new data sheets. Do you consider a remastered album new?


It's a remaster that didn't even include all the new content since it excludes everything from Vigilus.

CSM 2.0 is a scam
   
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 Continuity wrote:


It's a remaster that didn't even include all the new content since it excludes everything from Vigilus.

CSM 2.0 is a scam


It was never billed as a 2.0. It literally just added units and they told you that you could use the old book with a PDF or get the "new" one. Problem was the PDF had no points.

They even literally told you not to buy it if you owned the previous one.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Continuity wrote:


It's a remaster that didn't even include all the new content since it excludes everything from Vigilus.

CSM 2.0 is a scam


It was never billed as a 2.0. It literally just added units and they told you that you could use the old book with a PDF or get the "new" one. Problem was the PDF had no points.


There's a big fat "II" symbol on the codex cover
   
 
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