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I read the Q@A and this really seems more like the equivalent of like, No Mans Sky NEXT if you understand what that means. A big revamp of everything more than a brand new game, they said everything will be still usable with the new rule set. I'm relatively new to 40k so if someone can give me a "for dummies" id super appreciate it.
   
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It’s an update to the rules rather than a full on replacement since current codex and PA rules etc are still valid.

I’ve never really understood the numbering of the editions being embraced the way it is. I think that’s why GW doesn’t refer to them as 7th, 8th 9th edition. Just a “new edition”.

If you think about it, it’s really edition/version 4.1

Rogue trader was version 1.0
Full rules revamp and new stat lines were introduced in second edition, invalidating old rules so that’s version 2.0
Full redesign and new stat lines again, and invalidating all codex books and existing rules, so that’s version 3.0
After that it’s just tweaks, updates and patches til the current edition launched, so 4th is really 3.1, 5th was 3.2, 6th was 3.3 and 7th was 3.4

8th was a full relaunch so that should really be called version 4.0, and the new edition just launched sounds like it’s version 4.1 rather than 5th or 9th.

But the edition numbering caught in for whatever reason, and it looks like it’s going to stick around.

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It's pretty clear it's a 40k 2.0 like they did a while back with AOS. Just I feel they still use numbers because people are familiar with it.

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Yeah, but the fact that every dex is going to get redone probably stunts the edition for three years while we rerelease everything that we just spent three years releasing.

There were so many things I wanted more than a new edition. And now it won't be for three more years if ever.

RIP:

Traitor Guard
Imperial Agents
Emperor's Children
Tau alliance Alien Auxiliaries.

And continue to enjoy Finecast until ALL the marines are re-released at least.

Yay! Marines again. And more marines. Got any Marines?
   
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It's what 7th was to 6th, so yeah, more like 8.5 really.
   
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Most editions were just revisions, where the old stuff was still valid.

3rd and 8th were “hard” resets, which invalidated all prior books. For most of 40k, having your codex from the last edition, with maybe a FAQ to bring it up to the new rules was the norm, not an exception.

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PenitentJake wrote:
Yeah, but the fact that every dex is going to get redone probably stunts the edition for three years while we rerelease everything that we just spent three years releasing.

There were so many things I wanted more than a new edition. And now it won't be for three more years if ever.

RIP:

Traitor Guard
Imperial Agents
Emperor's Children
Tau alliance Alien Auxiliaries.

And continue to enjoy Finecast until ALL the marines are re-released at least.

Yay! Marines again. And more marines. Got any Marines?


This is how its been done for a majority of 40k's lifespan. Hell, for several armies it wasn't that unusual for armies to not get an updated codex for an entire edition.

 
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
Yeah, but the fact that every dex is going to get redone probably stunts the edition for three years while we rerelease everything that we just spent three years releasing.

There were so many things I wanted more than a new edition. And now it won't be for three more years if ever.

RIP:

Traitor Guard
Imperial Agents
Emperor's Children
Tau alliance Alien Auxiliaries.

And continue to enjoy Finecast until ALL the marines are re-released at least.

Yay! Marines again. And more marines. Got any Marines?

Could be a silver lining.

I would like to see all those things too - I have all those armies except for Tau. But I'd rather the rules for them come out after a transition to a new edition than before. If Traitor Guard, for example, are optimized for 8th and suddenly become crippled in 9th, that would ruin it for me.

One of the other things, the economy is down right now. There will be less disposable income for big purchases of new armies. Would hate to see them release new models for these armies and have them fall flat on arrival.

   
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But we're never going to get Traitor Guard. Because as soon as they've rereleased all existing dexes, it'll be time for tenth, so the point is moot.

8th was supposed to be the edition where anything was possible. We had finally cleared the rerelease backlog and were just about to move into development.

Now, not only will it be at least another three years before we can hope, my faith in GW actually learning is shattered. So lets just say never.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
Yeah, but the fact that every dex is going to get redone probably stunts the edition for three years while we rerelease everything that we just spent three years releasing.

There were so many things I wanted more than a new edition. And now it won't be for three more years if ever.

RIP:

Traitor Guard
Imperial Agents
Emperor's Children
Tau alliance Alien Auxiliaries.

And continue to enjoy Finecast until ALL the marines are re-released at least.

Yay! Marines again. And more marines. Got any Marines?

I wouldn't be so sure about that. During the course of 8th Edition we got new codexes for all the prior codexes, a major expansion to Codex Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus, and new Codexes for Thousands Sons, Death Guard, Adeptus Custodes, Chaos Knights, and Adepta Sororitas. Not a bad track record for about three years since edition release.

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Adeptus Sororitas wasn't a new faction. They've existed since second.

I do take your point though- it is still possible for a new thing or two to be created during the endless releases of reboot. But nowhere near as much new as we could have had if they just hadn't bothered making 24 reboot books necessary.

At this rate, it'll be 14th edition before we have all our aspects in plastic.
   
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I've been a Sisters of Battle player since 4th Edition. We haven't had a proper codex since the Witch Hunter Codex in 3rd Edition, so I'm calling Codex Adepta Sororitas complete with a brand new line of miniature a new Codex

That being said, when the Craftworld Eldar get updated to all plastic is really something we will have to wait and see. That would be as big a job as GCS or AS given all the kits to convert or update.

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PenitentJake wrote:
8th was supposed to be the edition where anything was possible.
And it was. Things like GSC and Mechanicus are armies that the 40K community SWORE, for DECADES, would never happen. Space Marines getting soft-squatted is something that SWORE could never happen. Sisters got new models that were like 20 years in the making. Cadia blew up. Primarchs came back and got models and rules. People swore that we would never get things like Legion rules outside of the CSM codex and look where we are with some legions having entire codices with their only special model ranges.

People act like GW can just snap their fingers and create whatever they want, but they're a company with finite resources and time, and projects take years of development to come to fruition. Regardless, GW has created more new stuff for 40K in the ~3 years that 8th edition has been out then they did from 2000 to 2017.

I have issues of my own with 8th edition, but I feel like only someone who's oblivious would say that the last 3 years haven't been the best time to be a 40K fan, at least in regards to the amount of content that we've gotten.

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That's fair; and I was happy with the treatment sisters got in 8th- I absolutely cannot, nor would I complain about that.

GSC are the same- it's true both of these dexes got a lot of new units in 8th. I was happy; I still am, because our rules haven't been invalidated.

So please don't get me wrong; it could have been way, way worse. But our development and innovation cycle is going to be crippled by a new edition.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
But we're never going to get Traitor Guard. Because as soon as they've rereleased all existing dexes, it'll be time for tenth, so the point is moot.

8th was supposed to be the edition where anything was possible. We had finally cleared the rerelease backlog and were just about to move into development.

Now, not only will it be at least another three years before we can hope, my faith in GW actually learning is shattered. So lets just say never.

yeah, but you can't do ALL THE THINGS, which is what you're asking for. The core mechanics desperately need an update, working in all of the FAQs and redoing certain aspects of the game such as how CP are generated. That's way more important to way more players than Tau Auxilliaries, to be honest.

I don't think all of the Codexes will NEED updates due to the new BRB, so they can identify the ones that do, and do those along with the new stuff.
This isn't 7th-to-8th editition transition. It's an update to 8th edition, and most of what's out there for 8th edition will work just fine with 9th edition.

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At this point, we know only two things we will see in 9th Edition, model-wise. More Primaris Marines and new Necrons. Only GW knows what is next down the pike. Could be a new army, could be additions to old armies, could be updates of old models.

Based on 8th Edition, I'd bet on all three in some combination. Hopefully they will spend a decent amount of model slots on updating old finecast kits.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
At this point, we know only two things we will see in 9th Edition, model-wise. More Primaris Marines and new Necrons. Only GW knows what is next down the pike. Could be a new army, could be additions to old armies, could be updates of old models.

Based on 8th Edition, I'd bet on all three in some combination. Hopefully they will spend a decent amount of model slots on updating old finecast kits.

Well they have confirmed nrw FW rules finally as apparently the index's are not compatible with 9th edition.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
That's fair; and I was happy with the treatment sisters got in 8th- I absolutely cannot, nor would I complain about that.

GSC are the same- it's true both of these dexes got a lot of new units in 8th. I was happy; I still am, because our rules haven't been invalidated.

So please don't get me wrong; it could have been way, way worse. But our development and innovation cycle is going to be crippled by a new edition.


Hardly. It's going to be the same as it was always going to be. YOU just don't realize that.
Whatever the # of the edition, you were always going to get another round of all the codices. And now & then, in-between all the existing? And scattered through the pages of White Dwarf? Sometimes in CA? You'll get thrown a bone or two of "new". You'll also get more SM supplement style books (you've all proven you'll $40+/-pay for 7 pages of rules & a bunch of re-hashed art/lore. So don't be shocked if you get Ctachan, Cadia, Ulthwe, etc etc etc) & PA style stuff. They gotta fill those extra pages with something.....
   
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So far this is really looking more like 8.5, than a brand new edition.

Which I think is great. AoS 2.0 was like this, and really cleaned up a lot of rules and has been immensely popular. So it looks like they are really aiming to cleanup and work on the foundation of 8th, rather than a major edition change like in the past.


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Ice_can wrote:
 alextroy wrote:
At this point, we know only two things we will see in 9th Edition, model-wise. More Primaris Marines and new Necrons. Only GW knows what is next down the pike. Could be a new army, could be additions to old armies, could be updates of old models.

Based on 8th Edition, I'd bet on all three in some combination. Hopefully they will spend a decent amount of model slots on updating old finecast kits.

Well they have confirmed nrw FW rules finally as apparently the index's are not compatible with 9th edition.

You could say the FW Index rules weren't compatible with 8th Edition

But seriously, the FAQ says the new FW rules are designed for 9th Edition, but that doesn't mean the Index rules won't work with 9th. That's like saying the 8th Edition codexes won't work with 9th. The reason for the new FW rules is the FW Indexes are horrible and need to updated with appropriate items moved to Legends.
   
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I kinda suspect we're already seen 9th edition codices with codex space marines and sisters of battle. I mean.. I'd be sad if they replaced the codex already, it's an EXCELLENT codex. although if they reprint the current one, with the new units and update the doctrines for the errata I'd be down with it. more akin to CSM 8th 2.0 then a genuine new 'dex.

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BrianDavion wrote:
I kinda suspect we're already seen 9th edition codices with codex space marines and sisters of battle. I mean.. I'd be sad if they replaced the codex already, it's an EXCELLENT codex. although if they reprint the current one, with the new units and update the doctrines for the errata I'd be down with it. more akin to CSM 8th 2.0 then a genuine new 'dex.


I suspect you're right. Just like with most edition changes, your codex will probably continue to work until they get around to pumping out a new one. So if Tau don't get a new codex until two years from now, you've still got two years to use your current book(s). And who knows; maybe the next tau codex will lean into alien auxiliaries more. Or maybe they'll drop a campaign book similar to Psychic Awakening that happens to include rules for the new line of shiny kroot and vespid models they decide to release.
   
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Wyldhunt wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
I kinda suspect we're already seen 9th edition codices with codex space marines and sisters of battle. I mean.. I'd be sad if they replaced the codex already, it's an EXCELLENT codex. although if they reprint the current one, with the new units and update the doctrines for the errata I'd be down with it. more akin to CSM 8th 2.0 then a genuine new 'dex.


I suspect you're right. Just like with most edition changes, your codex will probably continue to work until they get around to pumping out a new one. So if Tau don't get a new codex until two years from now, you've still got two years to use your current book(s). And who knows; maybe the next tau codex will lean into alien auxiliaries more. Or maybe they'll drop a campaign book similar to Psychic Awakening that happens to include rules for the new line of shiny kroot and vespid models they decide to release.


yeah as I said it's hinted Marines are coming but .. beyond updating our dex with the new stuff.. I'm pretty happy with the curent marine codex and it was designed so recently I can't see a new marine dex being anything more then a modest update.

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I would love to do a poll on this, but I strongly suspect that there is a very significant percentage of the community (and Dakka) that has only played 8th edition, and thus the only "new edition" change they've seen is 7th to 8th...which was a lot like 2nd to 3rd. 3rd to 7th is the more common transition, and despite all of their "lots of changes!!11!!" hyperbole GW is simply giving us a fairly basic update.

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Yeah, nothing major here yet.

By the way, i wouldn't expect a new marine codex with the coming of this edition.

The SM and sister codici are labeled as "New edition codex" since they have the anti soup rules. They are the first of the new codex cycle, which simply started before the new edition.

Next are almost surely going to be the necrons.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
...I wouldn't be so sure about that. During the course of 8th Edition we got new codexes for all the prior codexes, a major expansion to Codex Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus, and new Codexes for Thousands Sons, Death Guard, Adeptus Custodes, Chaos Knights, and Adepta Sororitas. Not a bad track record for about three years since edition release.


What major expansion to the Mechanicum? Everything we've got now was there in 7e (split into two Codexes for stupid reasons), the new stuff is being pushed back into 9e, and we still don't have rules for any of the Forge World units.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
 alextroy wrote:
...I wouldn't be so sure about that. During the course of 8th Edition we got new codexes for all the prior codexes, a major expansion to Codex Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus, and new Codexes for Thousands Sons, Death Guard, Adeptus Custodes, Chaos Knights, and Adepta Sororitas. Not a bad track record for about three years since edition release.


What major expansion to the Mechanicum? Everything we've got now was there in 7e (split into two Codexes for stupid reasons), the new stuff is being pushed back into 9e, and we still don't have rules for any of the Forge World units.

You can pretend the Engine War new units aren't during 8th Edition if you want to, but 3 kits making 7 units is a rather big expansion in my book. And before that we got the 2 vehicles and the Kill Team character, which is ignoring the Blackstone Fortress character. Name another existing faction outside of GSC and Space Marines that have gotten more in 8th Edition?
   
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GenChicken wrote:
I read the Q@A and this really seems more like the equivalent of like, No Mans Sky NEXT if you understand what that means. A big revamp of everything more than a brand new game, they said everything will be still usable with the new rule set. I'm relatively new to 40k so if someone can give me a "for dummies" id super appreciate it.


People have sort of said it - but just in case.

The basic point is that the core mechanics will remain unchanged. For example, while there may be special cases - its safe to assume units will still be able to "move" the distance of their movement statistic.

By contrast, units didn't have variable movement statistics in 3rd-7th edition. The mechanics that covered this were different. (Not incomprehensibly different - but still different in a very fundamental way).

A unit attacking another a unit - again ignoring special rules - is going to hit based on say their" WS/BS" being "3+". This is different to 3rd-7th where a unit would have say WS and BS "4".
You can't play 8th edition with 7th edition books. By contrast you could play 7th edition with 6th edition books because while there were many special rules tweaks, most of the basic mechanics of the game were unchanged (and indeed many armies were sadly left to linger). "BS 4" meant something in earlier editions - it doesn't mean anything in 8th (even if you can see how GW translated things across.)

So for example. You have say a Leman Russ Tank. You have the Guard Codex that explains how it works. If as part of the core rules, tanks can now fire in assault... you don't need a whole new book to explain how to use the tank. It works the same, you can just shoot in assault now whereas you couldn't before.

By contrast if they brought in "40k XXX edition - we are scrapping usual 6 sided dice and evolving to a D20 system" - every book would be invalidated - as the basic rules of the game would render the existing stat lines of units meaningless.

So its sort of like a very big FAQ - rather than a whole new game.
GW will however re release the codexes, because they always do. This is partly - presumably - because its a major money spinner, and partly to get new people into the hobby. Eventually this will probably all go digital.
   
 
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