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Reading, Berks

With the new edition just around the corner I'm trying to distract myself from the shiny shiny Necrons by bulking out my old Imperial Guard force (it is that long since I last played!). Last time I made stuff for them, it was hand sculpted bodies cast in resin... or expensive FW body kits (I'm looking at you Cadian hazardous kit). This time I have the benefit of using my 3d printer to actually make units *really* cheaply, especially as there are a number of great companies making digital files for sale. My favourite are Reptilian Overlords, who currently do Tallarn and Valhallan-like infantry kits. I love the original Tallarn models, but could never afford them at the time, so I'm going to take this opportunity to do a Tallarn raiding force using the RO kit pieces, with some customisation and kitbashing as I go for the various units.



They have various leg and arm sets that will work nicely, but no rifles that I would consider interesting enough for a desert force, so I went and had a poke around Thingiverse and found two potential options

The first one I found is similar to the DKoK lasgun, which gives a nice intricate rifle that fits with their background. I found a Tallarn lasgun mod on Thingiverse too, which is where the wrapped barrel comes from. Oh how I love 3d printing!


I think the rifle is looking a bit big, so I may try scaling it down a little and see if that makes any difference. The alternative, which I'm currently favouring is the SMG look, which gives them a WW2 SAS feel that sort of fits with the overall raider theme that I have in my head

Again, I think the rifle needs scaling down a little tiny bit as it is quite chunky. The length is ok, but it feels a little too tall/wide.

I have no idea how the new edition is going to play as it's been about 8 years since I last read a rulebook or played a game... so I'll likely start with the standard lasgun infantry for now and they can be bulked out with specials/heavies later. I've tried printing all the separate bits and pieces and it was a pain in the backside... It also took up a lot of space on the printer's build plate, meaning it took two to three print runs to get one squad. This time I'm going to try pre-assembing the models before printing, so I can at least get the main poses sorted and so the occasional kitbash in Blender by adding extra kit or tweaking poses slightly to make them look different. With 6 bodies, 5 legs and 4 sets of arms, that's a fair number of options without duplication.

We'll see how the tweaking goes tonight for the lasguns and maybe I'll print one off to see it in reality

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Those are some great looking concepts, it will be interesting to see them in the flesh. I've got to admit I prefer the more traditional lasgun option, perhaps with the sten's as shotguns or on a stormtrooper unit? But at the end of the day it's your army and they both look good.

   
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Reading, Berks

I settled on the sten look for now. I have some shotgun files to play with to make vets and will be going with a more sci-fi looking weapon for stormtroopers

The first print came out really nicely, so now I can start fiddling with Blender to make all the other poses to print while these get an undercoat between meetings.



These, including one failure, average out to about 12p a model after the $10 investment for the digital files, rather than £2.25 per plastic Cadian (or £4.50 for the hazard Cadians I did last time!). Much more viable for a horde of infantry, especially whiteshields

   
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They look very cool, and I think the sten gun look is awesome for those guys. I don't think it would work for many models, but for these guys it totally does.

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Reading, Berks

Thanks. I was tempted by the Autogun variant that the creator also made, but lasgun is more list-suitable. I forgot to mention that the sten came from Mkhand_Industries on Thingiverse. I want to try and keep a record of where everything comes from .

I fiddled a bit more with the models during this morning's meetings and put some small shoulder plates on them to bring it more in line with the original Tallarn, though not quite so massive. Another print has just started with 5 more lasgun infantry and one plasma gun.



The plasma gun came from the same place as the sten, but was resized a bit (x/y/z : 90% / 65% / 75%) to look more portable. I've never been a massive fan of the huge blocky plasma guns, so this feels a little bit more manageable.

[edit] I forgot to say at the start, but the intention for this is (for now at least) to be 100% 3d printed where possible. Where I can't find something I want for the army, I'll try and create something myself. I've been playing around with Blender recently and managed to come up with some brick walls (that are free to download) for my gaming table, so I hope to expand this to a little bit into non-brick objects a little. We shall see...

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Nice work! I hope they print out as cleanly as the renders look!

Valete,

JohnS

Valete,

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Reading, Berks

They printed really nicely, Reptilian Overlords' sculpts are fantastic.

Last night I did a quick block colour test to see what looks good. It's rough, but gives the overall impression



  • The main jacket is VMC Green Ochre.

  • The trousers, scarf and belt are all base coated VMC Sky grey, but will end up white. Trousers will probably vary between various bleached greens, browns and greys for a little bit of variation.

  • Boots and gloves are Rhinox Hide with gaiters VMC British Army camo

  • Webbing and the gun are Rakarth flesh. I tried a black sten, but it looked weird against the brighter colours. While looking up colours of stens for LRDG I discoverd that they never actually used them (doh!), they used heavier machineguns, rifles or Thompson SMG. Still... rule of cool, I like the look so we're sticking with it.





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    It seems the July painting competition is perfectly timed. With the theme of Objective Secured, some infantry are perfectly suited to submit to this and it helps give me a kick to get going.

    A fresh batch came off the printer today, including a melta from the Reptilian Overlords renegade guard set. (not sure if they are still a good thing for Guard or not... but hey, at this price... I'm tempted to see how big an army I can make, with all the options, before I get bored of painting infantry



    Now to see if they are cured enough for an undercoat tonight so I can start blocking colours tomorrow during meetings.

    Tonight I think I'll carry on stitching together the models digitally and create some more interesting combinations. I need a few sergeants and an officer to make up a semi-legit start to things., so maybe that's the aim for tonight

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    That test model is looking very promising! What else are you planning to include beyond the infantry squads?

       
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    Reading, Berks

    The plan is to try and work my way through everything eventually. Given the cost of printing 3rd party stuff compared to on-brand I want to see how long it takes to get bored of painting these guys and what bits I design to fill in gaps.

    When it comes to tanks, I don't want to be *that guy* that just prints copies of existing kits, I want things to fit thematically to 40k, but be unique. Reptilian Overlords do a really nice MBT, but I'm not sure if it is quite right. We shall see... it will be a while before I get to those though as I'll need Chimera proxies first.

    I suspect the one thing I will need to buy from GW will be Ogryns as I've yet to come across some nice ones that wold work as tallarn auxiliaries. The other option is to revert to an idea that never got completed for the old Malfian project and have O.G.R.Y.N mech suits or tracked servitors instead. We'll see when we get past the initial infantry and command push. Plenty of other things to sort first

       
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    I’m a big fan of the Mortian tanks. Their kickstarter, running right now, really has me tempted to go in for some half-tracks.

    They also have some very nifty looking Ogryn, although they don’t really fit the Tallarn aesthetic.

    Valete,

    JohnS

    Valete,

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    The Tallarn are coming out nicely .

    How long does it take for one of those resin figures to cure?

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    Reading, Berks

    I do quite like the Mortian tanks. I need to have a think about what sort of tanks go with an LRDG-style force.

    @Theophony, usually I'd leave a print out in the sun for a few hours to cure, but last night's batch seemed to be cured in about 10 minutes!

    I made a start on the infantry for the painting challenge today. Now there is white on them, I'm happier with the colour scheme... i just don't think the white is looking the best it could be, despite a few thin coats. I may try something else with them tomorrow...


       
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    Earlobe deep in doo doo

    Elysian Drop Troops Tauros style vehicles make most sense to me.

    "But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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     Llamahead wrote:
    Elysian Drop Troops Tauros style vehicles make most sense to me.


    I agree! Alternatively you could lean into the wider desert theme and go for a 40k take on a Lee/Grant. So mount the battlecannon in the hull and the hull gun in a turret.

    For Ogryns Tallarn is a cavern world so you could go for repurposed digger machines like Ambots maybe?

    In the meantime I look forward to seeing more of your infantry!

       
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    Reading, Berks

    Tauros style vehicles were certainly one idea I was floating around, either that or repurposing some of the GSCult buggies. Small buggies are most likely instead of sentinels as I can't help but feel that walkers would get bogged down in the sand more than a wheeled scout vehicle

    For Chimera I'm looking at something similar to the PARS APC.

    Ambot-type things are certainly an option for Tallarn Ogryn replacements

       
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    Nice start on the new army, can't go wrong with desert troops. Excited to see what will come out of your vehicle ideas.
       
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    Reading, Berks

    They still have some highlights and weathering left to do on them, but the first 8 are coming along nicely



    I've also got another 8 lasguns, 2 sergeants, 1 melta, 1 plasma and 2 officers blocked out and a further 20 assorted infantry printed and undercoated. Think that is enough basic infantry for now. Time to work on some shotgun vets

    Would you believe it that the one thing I need to buy are bases! I could print them, but the time it takes to do that isn't worth the cost, especially as I don't want to end up with lots of repeats.

    I had a play with some shotgun models this afternoon for some vets. I can't currently decide between pump action style, or a sci-fi type. The boxy version is easier to position with different arms, but it's harder to tell it is a shotgun. The pump action doesn't have a pistol grip, but isn't too difficult to position as if it does. i need some other way of differentiating vets too. Possibly some larger shoulder pads. I can't really stick backpacks on like I did with my old Bolt Action force

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    These guys look fantastic man. Very impressed with the quality of the prints.
       
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    Earlobe deep in doo doo

    Ogryns might also be a way to get Mukaali/Dewback riders into the force. Are you planning Tallarn rough riders by the way?

    "But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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    This is so cool! I have been interested in doing something similar though I don't have very much experience with 3D printers. I have so many questions. When I get the time I will share my thoughts.

    Excited to see this progress!

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    Reading, Berks

     kavika0311 wrote:
    These guys look fantastic man. Very impressed with the quality of the prints.


    Thanks! The models are really nice, so any resin printer should get a good print. I'm really impressed with them.

     Llamahead wrote:
    Ogryns might also be a way to get Mukaali/Dewback riders into the force. Are you planning Tallarn rough riders by the way?


    If/when I get around to rough riders I'm more likely to go with scrambler bikes like the GSCult than Mukaali, much as I like the models. Like everything else in the codex, they are on the list somwehere

     Sageheart wrote:
    This is so cool! I have been interested in doing something similar though I don't have very much experience with 3D printers. I have so many questions. When I get the time I will share my thoughts.

    Excited to see this progress!


    Thanks! I've sort of fiddled my way through this far without anyone to ask, so just shout if you have questions


    The next thing to decide is which colour to do the shoulder armour and the officer sashes. At present I'm thinking a french/grey blue as it should go well with the sand and white

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    These are coming out fantastic! Such high quality prints and you’ve come up with a great colour scheme too. If you’re after ideas for the shoulder pad colours, maybe the same as the guns? Perhaps the vets could get black shoulder pads, maybe a black head scarf too? I vote for the sci-fi shotgun, but maybe the classic pump action would closer match the sten guns?

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    Earlobe deep in doo doo

    Another thought for vehicles would be Dune. Ornithoptors especially never played the strategy game but it might be a source for none 40k sculpt your own inspiration.

    "But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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    Reading, Berks

     gobert wrote:
    These are coming out fantastic! Such high quality prints and you’ve come up with a great colour scheme too. If you’re after ideas for the shoulder pad colours, maybe the same as the guns? Perhaps the vets could get black shoulder pads, maybe a black head scarf too? I vote for the sci-fi shotgun, but maybe the classic pump action would closer match the sten guns?


    After a bit of umming and aaahing I went with the blue pads so there was a spot colour in there. Turns out that it is really easy to batch paint when you're in conference calls. It seems to make it easier to concentrate on what is being said. Thanks to endless conferences at the moment I seem to have completed two squads and two commanding officers worth a whopping 149 points. I think I need a few more before it's viable!






    Looking through those there's a bit of touchup needed on some of them. I still need to work out which 5 to enter into the July challenge... but there's another few weeks to paint more before I have to decide! Speaking of choices... I'm going to have a play with some of the other arm sets before deciding on which shotgun to use for the vets.



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     Llamahead wrote:
    Another thought for vehicles would be Dune. Ornithoptors especially never played the strategy game but it might be a source for none 40k sculpt your own inspiration.


    Oh Dune is a theme that is going to be in here. I played Dune, Dune 2 and Dune 2000 to death

    Van Saar are destined to be fremen-like Scions with the AdMech ornithopter-thing instead of a Valkyrie. That's likely to be some of the exceptions to the printed rule (I suspect there will be many more exceptions over time). I found a 3d model of the Dune TV series ornithopter that might be interesting alternative, though this concept art looks rather like a hybrid of a Valkyrie and an Ornithopter... not ever so 40k though

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    Dang... those really look very nice, and that’s some impressive production!

    Valete,

    JohnS

    Valete,

    JohnS

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    Reading, Berks

    A bit more poking around Thingiverse turned up a version of the SM Scout shotgun. A bit of resizing and fiddling later I think this one will work nicely



    Unfortunately it turns out that, since I last played/built a Guard force... vets have moved from troops into Elite and aren't all that useful any more. The two tactics that I've seen mentioned are Tallarn infiltrating vets with a lasgun/plasma combo or the shotgun/melta combo that I used to run in a chimera. I'll probably do one squad of each and leave it at that for now. Building mode models later is easy enough.

    I had a play around with adding some armour plates to the vets, but it looked a bit dumb, so I suspect I'll just do different colour shoulder pads and sash for the vets.

    I'm beginning to think that the white sash was a bad idea for infantry and should be whiteshieldsinstead, with it going up in colour depending upon veterancy. Something like

    Whiteshields > White
    Infantry > Mossy green
    Veterans > Rust
    NCO > Blue
    Senior officers > Red

    Unfortunately that means my points total just took a nose dive as my two infantry squads convert to 2/3rds (or 2/5ths of a maxed) of one Whiteshield unit. Ah well. Not like I was aiming for a game any time soon and I always wanted a squad


    Now if only they would bring back the commissar training squad from RT days...




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    A bit of contemplation over night and looking down at the models on a table made me realise that colour coding the sash is a rubbish option as you can't see it most of the time unless you pick up a model! So shoulder pads it is for the colours

    Whiteshields > White
    Infantry > Blue
    Veterans > Rust
    Officers > none

    That is much simpler and should be easy to spot on the table!

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    Neat idea to differentiate the troop types. Surely the officers need golden tassels on shoulder boards like the navy used to be particular about?

    I wish I could spare the focus to paint whilst on conference calls. I’ve found I can remove mould lines if I’m not leading the meeting. Maybe I should give painting a try, it might help with the stress levels!

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    Reading, Berks

     gobert wrote:
    Neat idea to differentiate the troop types. Surely the officers need golden tassels on shoulder boards like the navy used to be particular about?

    I wish I could spare the focus to paint whilst on conference calls. I’ve found I can remove mould lines if I’m not leading the meeting. Maybe I should give painting a try, it might help with the stress levels!


    The theory behind the colours is so that officers don't stand out massively from the rank and file unless you know what the colours mean and don't pay too much attention to their weapons. The only people that will get anything more flashy are the commissars and the Scions because they aren't fully a part of the desert raider traditions.

    i had a play around with a few alternative options for Scions today as a distraction. The original intention was to use van saar with the tallarn heads and some bulkier lasguns to give them a fremen look. Unfortunately after building a test one using a failed print for the head (who says all failures are a waste?) I remembered how fiddly they were to put together and how much it would cost to build multiple units and loadouts required. so tomorrows task is to start learning meshmixer to hack the heads and pack off the Tallarn model and put them onto a carapace armour that Reptilian Overlords released as part of their Pretorian set (that was a close second instead of Tallarn!). I do still need to either create or find some armoured arms and legs to make them proper Scions though... so I suspect this is an ongoing project along with working out heavy weapons. In the mean time... infantry keeps on printing.

    For the conference calls it tends to just be basic stuff like drybrushing bases, blocking out colours or applying washes. Anything more complicated than that any my attention wavers in the calls.

       
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    Reading, Berks

    Squad 3 is now done. It's taken a while as I kept being distracted with trying to piece together a few more alternate bodies to print and fixing some print failures



    Not quite as good as the first batch, but they still look ok at tabletop distance... so yeah. That.

    The pile of printed bits waiting printing now includes a 30 man whiteshield squad, another infantry squad with a melta and enough plasma guns for either a special weapons squad, or to convert the two melta into plasma and upgrade one of the three infantry squads to a vet squad with max plasma.

    I'm only 30 infantry in and already getting a little bit bored... so I need to start mixing it up a bit with other things soon, though at least the colours are fairly easy to do and not all that fiddly. Non- lasgun toting infantry will probably wait until the new points costs come out in 2 weeks time so I can see how building squads shapes out. I *think* I managed to get the new box and books on saturday... I've not heard I havn't from the guys at Board in Brum, so we shall assume yes

    One of the key decisions that I need to make is to decide *how* tallarn heavy weapon squads would operate. While the cadian pattern tripods/weapons are easy to source, they don't look all that raiderish. Wheeled carriages like the 2nd edition weapon teams is slightly more versatile for desert warfare... but still doesn't feel all that suitable for dragging up sand dunes. I'm currently looking at the Necromunda heavy weapons and wondering if it makes sense to go to portable versions instead? Downside of that though is I have no suitable digital arms for carrying them. Awkward!

    I'm also trying to work out if there is anything I want to save from my old guard army and repaint, or if I try to sell the whole thing to fund more bottles of resin for this army and do things the way I want? My main issue with the Chimera and Russ bodies is the lack of clearance on the tracks. One small rock and they would get stuck... I suspect this will be one of those things I need to learn to make myself as all the digital models I can find all follow the same dumb pattern. At least the Rhino chassis has some clearance on the tracks!

       
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    Earlobe deep in doo doo

    Always liked the missile launcher teams for Tallarn. Your best bet for it however is to google heavy weapons in the Gulf,the African campaign and fghanistan and see how it's done before making a decision.

    "But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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