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I'm pretty happy with this setup for Magnus. No more Morty & Magnus., either.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
No more Morty & Magnus., either.

Good.


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So this basically tells us a Brigade is 4CPs, right?

It was abused to hell, yeah. Shame, because when it wasn't abused to insane effect, it was a fun little detachment.

 Nazrak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
No more Morty & Magnus., either.

Good.


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So this basically tells us a Brigade is 4CPs, right?

No, it just means that there's going to be limited armies that can even take this detachment.

Really trying to figure out how tf will Thousand Sons be even remotely playable now.

Whats a Supreme Commander?

I wish GW didn't design my army around the use of multiple characters.

 skchsan wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
No more Morty & Magnus., either.

Good.


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So this basically tells us a Brigade is 4CPs, right?

No, it just means that there's going to be limited armies that can even take this detachment.

Not sure I follow?

 Galas wrote:
Whats a Supreme Commander?

e.g. Bobby

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Whats a Supreme Commander?

e.g. Bobby

Whos bobby? Guilliman? Isn't he a "Primarch"?

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Really trying to figure out how tf will Thousand Sons be even remotely playable now.

Oh - you count Thousand Sons and just DPs and Ahriman. There's a bit more to it than that.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Whats a Supreme Commander?

e.g. Bobby

He's covered under Primarch.

I assume they're keeping their options open for things they may want to introduce in future?

 Galas wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Whats a Supreme Commander?

e.g. Bobby

Whos bobby? Guilliman? Isn't he a "Primarch"?

Oh, yea. Derp. Weird. Maybe Silent King?

 Nazrak wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
No more Morty & Magnus., either.

Good.


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So this basically tells us a Brigade is 4CPs, right?

No, it just means that there's going to be limited armies that can even take this detachment.

Not sure I follow?

I think he means a lot of armies don't have their own supreme commander and taking an allied SC is pretty stupid, at least for the imperium.

Now I can't wait to have this detachment just for Creed...

ERJAK wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
No more Morty & Magnus., either.

Good.


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So this basically tells us a Brigade is 4CPs, right?

No, it just means that there's going to be limited armies that can even take this detachment.

Not sure I follow?

I think he means a lot of armies don't have their own supreme commander and taking an allied SC is pretty stupid, at least for the imperium.

What's that got to do with extrapolating the CP cost of a Brigade from this, though? Sorry if I'm being dense.

I like it a lot!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Really trying to figure out how tf will Thousand Sons be even remotely playable now.

Oh - you count Thousand Sons and just DPs and Ahriman. There's a bit more to it than that.

Looking through my codex back and forth but I fail to see what's more than that. Heavy slots, no. Fast slots, no. Elite slots (outside FW), no. So it's basically bring Rubrics if you want to have HQ characters, and then make Magnus the warlord if you want to play Magnus otherwise forget it.

Oh oh, and here's the best. Because the only (so far) way to play Magnus is to have him as a warlord, it means that half of the stuff in the PA update are invalid if you bring Magnus, because he's a named character and he can't take a Cult.

So basically it's either play Magnus or play the Cults of PA.

Seems like good news (not.)

Did people really "HQ Spam" with Supreme Command detachments?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm pretty happy with this setup for Magnus. No more Morty & Magnus., either.

How does this stop the two of them from showing up. Aren't there other ways to include LoWs in your army?

 Galas wrote:
Whats a Supreme Commander?

Probably a keyword that's going to be added to the Primarch/Daemon Primarch equivalents of other armies. Ghaz will almost certainly get it, and probably the Silent King, too. Not sure who else.

Guys, they'll probably FAQ a bunch of existing HQ's to have the Supreme Commander keyword. Possibly any of the named Chapter Masters, Creed, Ahriman, Typhus, Yvraine, Aun'va, Ghazzy, and more will get it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Did people really "HQ Spam" with Supreme Command detachments?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm pretty happy with this setup for Magnus. No more Morty & Magnus., either.

How does this stop the two of them from showing up. Aren't there other ways to include LoWs in your army?

Yeah tripple Dawn eagle captains was a thing, Thousand Sons were posterboys for it with Ariman and 2 Demon Princes.

Ice_can wrote:
Yeah tripple Dawn eagle captains was a thing, Thousand Sons were posterboys for it with Ariman and 2 Demon Princes.

All of which could be done without a Supreme Command detachment...

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Guys, they'll probably FAQ a bunch of existing HQ's to have the Supreme Commander keyword. Possibly any of the named Chapter Masters, Creed, Ahriman, Typhus, Yvraine, Aun'va, Ghazzy, and more will get it.

From what they said on stream you half right halg wrong, they won't be FAQ'd to that It sounds more like this is something that will come in future codex refreshes.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Yeah tripple Dawn eagle captains was a thing, Thousand Sons were posterboys for it with Ariman and 2 Demon Princes.

All of which could be done without a Supreme Command detachment...

They could but it qas more troops tax, as generally it was Red corsairs or Alphalegion battalion plus.
Sake for Custodes even 1 Troops tax unit is 300 od points.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Yeah tripple Dawn eagle captains was a thing, Thousand Sons were posterboys for it with Ariman and 2 Demon Princes.

All of which could be done without a Supreme Command detachment...

Basically if you want them your warlord anyway you get a free HQ slot.

Slots are an expensive commodity.

Issue I have is I don’t really want Ghaz as my warlord.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Yeah tripple Dawn eagle captains was a thing, Thousand Sons were posterboys for it with Ariman and 2 Demon Princes.

All of which could be done without a Supreme Command detachment...

With Thousand Sons, playing Magnus will make him the warlord which will invalidate half of the stuff in the PA update (because Magnus is named and can't have a Cult). The promise from GW was that 9th edition will not harm the recent codexes and that PA will be normally available. Right now (unless there's another way to field Magnus), it's either play Magnus OR play PA for the Thousand Sons players.

I spammed HQs with my Nurgle Daemons, DP, GUO, Piper, Scrivener and usually 2-3 Herolds didn't fit into a batallion and these were also the main damage dealers in the army. So, this means I can use a batallion + supreme Command detachment and still have full CP, right? That's okay for me.

topaxygouroun i wrote:
With Thousand Sons, playing Magnus will make him the warlord which will invalidate half of the stuff in the PA update (because Magnus is named and can't have a Cult).

Your mistake here was thinking that anyone writing this rule remembered the PA 1KSons stuff. GW write rules in a vacuum. The person who wrote the Supreme Command stuff wouldn't have even considered this when doing so.

I mean, this is the same company that gave 1KSons 9 new sets of options, and then FAQ'd it to ensure that you can only ever use 1 of them at a time.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I spammed HQs with my Nurgle Daemons, DP, GUO, Piper, Scrivener and usually 2-3 Herolds didn't fit into a batallion and these were also the main damage dealers in the army. So, this means I can use a batallion + supreme Command detachment and still have full CP, right? That's okay for me.

However your Primarch has to be your warlord. And this can be a deal breaker in many occasions.