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Curious as to whether anyone intends to use this rule. I know I for one would feel like a massive tool if I was 9 points behind at the end of the game but claimed the win due to my whole army being painted and my opponent having 1 unpainted termagant. On the other hand, if someone did that to me, it's just the rules, I can't exactly accuse them of twisting anything or being unfair, if you want the 10vp you have to make the effort...? This just seems like a very 'awkward / feels bad' rule.

Where did that rule come from, seems like a great way to get someone to never play against a person enforcing that rule again.

Lol, is that a rule?

Yeah I'd use it, I'm a snob for painted models!

 Insectum7 wrote:
Lol, is that a rule?

Yeah I'd use it, I'm a snob for painted models!

From the leaked 9th Rules:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Lol, is that a rule?

Yeah I'd use it, I'm a snob for painted models!

Its in the 9th rulebook. 45 possible VP for primaries, 45 possible VP for secondaries, 10 VP for having your plastic Battle Ready.

To answer the OP though, only if im playing "That Guy". For casual LGS shenanigans, *especially* if it involves newcomers to the game, its going on the shelf.

Can you ever truly be battle ready?

I'm a slow and reluctant painter, I like the game/immersion/lore but being who I am the game part will always be the most important part to me. I'm the kind of guy that, were true LOS not a thing, would play with tokens to try out builds if my opponents let me. So no I will not be using these rules, or if my friends insist on them will just stop playing altogether until I painted everything.
Overall I can see why they made this a rule but if they are going this far, they should have at least made a rule enforcing fluffy forces too. Why is painting somehow more important than being fluffy. I get punished for playing a fluffy, but unpainted DG army, with loads of actual Plague Marines but mister tourny player who brings nothing from my Dex but 3 tanks and some flamer guys gets rewarded for having them painted?

That's hilarious.

I think some generosity in enforcing it is merited, but I do appreciate it. Traditionally we tended to just claim a moral victory, and this sorta functions the same way. Like, you won the game. . . buuut. . .

Lol, I don't care if someone did or not. I never would enforce it and would even be sure to play with always one unpainted model. At least just so I could either lose big, or have to score so hard to demoralize the other guy. It's like playing with a handicap !

Unlike some, I really don't care if I win the game, I just want to play it. I'll just focus on crushing the other guys units then and having fun the only way I have left. The other player can have the win every, single, time. I don't know one person I play with who will enforce this as if I won based on actual victory points, but lose because of paint, who really won ?

It does lend more weight to the notion that the game is intended to be played with painted models though. heh.

Yeah I get it as an incentive but it only works like so if you care. Like I'll purposely flaunt it and take the -10 just because I think its a silly rule. I don't play in tournaments these days so what does it matter ? If some new player busts his butt to paint all his stuff and is a new player, this is a great handicap for them incentive them to paint and for me to just have fun.

Edit : That and it feels like a rule just there to peer pressure you to do something and for me, there is no surer way to know I will mock it, then make it feel like it's a " punishment " for being a " bad boy. " Bad boys 4, unpainted models, what ya gonna do ? When my grey hordes coming for you.

Does this mean GW is removing the YOUR MODELS MUST BE PAINTED IN ORDER TO PLAY AT OUR STORES rule?

Seems fine to me. Makes the game a little harder if you haven't painted everything. Nice that it gives you a little extra motivation to get that new addition some color.

Can always not claim it against people who just built their first models.

No way, claim it every single game. Just keep at least one model un painted so then you equal it out. It's the rules, you gotta follow it, till the end.

I like it. A dedicated soldier left unpainted for just such an occasion

It's a really weird thing for them to have done, because by making it a fundamental part of the rules, you really can't just disregard it. The whole scoring system is set up with those 10 points in mind. Scores won't be comparable across games between games where you did use it and where you didn't, and even within one game, it changes the weighting of each part of scoring, by making each primary and secondary point worth more towards victory than it used to be.

In other words, if both players are getting 10 points to start at the game just for having painted armies, each primary and secondary is worth less than it would be, comparatively, than if they aren't.

You really can't *not* use the rule. What you can do, however, is just agree to give both players the 10 points, even if they don't have painted models. That preserves the balance, and the comparability across matches.

 Slayer6 wrote:
Does this mean GW is removing the YOUR MODELS MUST BE PAINTED IN ORDER TO PLAY AT OUR STORES rule?

Since when was that a rule? My local GW has nothing like that.

 Eldarain wrote:
I like it. A dedicated soldier left unpainted for just such an occasion

Exactly, give him a name and he exists just to give the other guy an equal chance. The Equalizer he might be. Though that may end up a unit name, or character name for the new Primaris, but until then, old grey model is, The Equalizer.

 Slayer6 wrote:
Does this mean GW is removing the YOUR MODELS MUST BE PAINTED IN ORDER TO PLAY AT OUR STORES rule?

Thats not actually a GW rule, just a bad manager.

If your game group is so bad that this rule could be a source of drama, you need a new game group.

Tournaments already required paint.

The end.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
If your game group is so bad that this rule could be a source of drama, you need a new game group.

Tournaments already required paint.

The end.

Also, aren't all of the tournament rules and missions and such coming out in the CA books at release?

I paint my stuff. I like playing against painted armies, the quality of which I do not really care that much about. Tournaments normally require paint, and painting is just part of the game. I know a lot of people are completely blown up by this, but if it gets people to start painting their models and field armies that don't look awful, then sorry, I'll take the ten points every time (which I almost invariably guarantee that it means ill just lose by 5 points and not 15).

Except painting is not part of the game, it's part of the overall hobby. Arbitrary VP won't make the actual game part any better.

Screw anyone with mostly Black armies huh?

 Castozor wrote:
Except painting is not part of the game, it's part of the overall hobby. Arbitrary VP won't make the actual game part any better.

GW decides what is part of the game, and they just made paint part of it.

 Castozor wrote:
Except painting is not part of the game, it's part of the overall hobby. Arbitrary VP won't make the actual game part any better.

everything I can think of offhand that is marketing for the game is to collect, build, paint and play. in that order from what i remember. I think it is part of the game. YMMV.

I love this rule, it really is the heart of 9th edition. Silly and overly punitive, can't wait to get my handicap on in every single game. I'll be sure to enjoy it. If anything, it'll feel good, really make those wins feel better.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Screw anyone with mostly Black armies huh?

Nah, there is a big difference between a black undercoat and a painted model in black armour/chitin/uniform/etc.


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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I love this rule, it really is the heart of 9th edition. Silly and overly punitive, can't wait to get my handicap on in every single game. I'll be sure to enjoy it. If anything, it'll feel good, really make those wins feel better.

or you could paint your collection to battle-ready standard. No sarcasm intended. Contrast paints really do make battle ready a fast paint.

My armies I field are most all painted, but I won't have GW try and pressure me into finishing anything till I want to do it. My lack of paint does nothing to hamper my friends ability to play so like I said, I'll just make sure to use at least one unpainted model all the time now, it's my goal to endorse this rule.

tulun wrote:
Can you ever truly be battle ready?

They actually have a definition of battle ready, and it's fairly forgiving, just base colors and and a shade, with a technical on the base. The kind of thing you could bust out pretty quickly if you are so inclined. It doesn't have a highlight requirement, so you don't even have to drybrush. The base part is the only annoying part for me, because with my custodes I used acrylic bases to make them look like they were part of the scenery they were standing on, and I'm sure I'm going to get digned on that.

If you're playing anyone who's such a jerk that they won't just agree to both take 10 points for a painted army whether it is painted or not, find better people to play with.

I think it's stupid and heavy-handed, but there's such an easy solution.