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So, I've seen on a couple of FB groups people saying they have heard that tactical marines and other 'firstborn' marines (other than scouts) currently with single wounds (e.g. vets, assault marines) will be getting 2 wounds in the new 9th edition codex.

Anyone else heard this? I can't find anything online from the usual reliable sources of 'leaks' (i.e. sources who are usually correct about 'leaked' rumours).

Haven't heard it- would bet against it.

People said the same thing about Cult marines for Chaos for their Faith and Fury. I'm still waiting for my 2W berserkers.

It'd be very interesting if they did. Would change everything for old marines and chaos. But will need a citation.

Aspect Warriors would be very unhappy with this

 bullyboy wrote:
Aspect Warriors would be very unhappy with this

A lot of units need an update to their statline. Its ridiculous that units kept the same statlines in 8th given how much the rules changed.

Doubt it. But if they did give classic and csm 2 wounds they'd just slap another wound on everything primaris without raising their price. So 3W intercessors and the scout dudes, 4W for the lame attempts at replacing terminators, and another wound for all primaris characters.

Gotta make everything primaris +1 to everything else to keep those primaris $$$ flowing.

Never ceases to amaze me how quickly people forgot that the initial primaris release sucked...

I wouldn't hold my breath for tacs getting two wounds, though.

I hope they don't get 2w.

 XeonDragon wrote:
So, I've seen on a couple of FB groups people saying they have heard that tactical marines and other 'firstborn' marines (other than scouts) currently with single wounds (e.g. vets, assault marines) will be getting 2 wounds in the new 9th edition codex.

Anyone else heard this? I can't find anything online from the usual reliable sources of 'leaks' (i.e. sources who are usually correct about 'leaked' rumours).

Doubt that will ever happen. But intercessors or other primaris units getting new squad weapons besides the melee ones and the grenade launcher could happen.

I really doubt it, as 2W is one of the most integral differences between primaris and firstborns

Sounds like too much to be true. Of it were then games vs primaris would feel more balanced. But vs every xenos it would probably not feel fair. Base troops with 2 wounds is too good in my oppinion.

Gitdakka wrote:
Sounds like too much to be true. Of it were then games vs primaris would feel more balanced. But vs every xenos it would probably not feel fair. Base troops with 2 wounds is too good in my oppinion.

I agree, but personally (as someone who only got into the game in 8th ed), I find the idea of first born marines have the same wounds as a normal human... weird.

If any older marines got 2W I would hope it would be chaos cult marines and maybe Chosen?

Im more concerned chaos marines will not get the Astartes chainsword :( Despite being astartes. and having chainswords.

And Dark mechanicus not held back by not being allowed to innovate.

To be fair it does feel like GW is finally learning about using verticality in design of unit survivability. I do, however, worry that it will be almost entirely the realm of space marines which is going to suck.

Does the rumour say when that new codex will arrive? It seems like the current codex is still very recent.

Dont panic folks I'll paint a few later and my special luck will ensure no such buffs occur

Its not conceptually impossible, its just incredibly unlikely to the point where I'd give it a 1% chance of happening.

GW would have been all over it if old marines were going up to 2 wounds, and this was in a codex probably set to come out in the next 6-8 weeks.

It's not going to happen. Oldmarines are intentionally being soft-Squatted.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's not going to happen. Oldmarines are intentionally being soft-Squatted.

Yeah I agree with this.

I'm sure Old marines wont make it past 10th, 10th or sooner will separate the books into First borne and Primaris, then they will be legends. So 6-7yrs give or take a year.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Dont panic folks I'll paint a few later and my special luck will ensure no such buffs occur

lol!

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Does the rumour say when that new codex will arrive? It seems like the current codex is still very recent.

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if a new general SM codex came by January. There is just so much new stuff coming.

But yeah, old marines getting 2 w seems unlikely (at best)

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if a new general SM codex came by January. There is just so much new stuff coming.

But yeah, old marines getting 2 w seems unlikely (at best)

Infuriating as this will be for many, I would not be even a little surprised if the first codex is marines.

That said, I will be very surprised if that book gives oldmarines 2 wounds. I would also find it completely hillarious for so many reasons ...

Well, I still think first is Necrons. We've likely already seen that cover, for example.

Deathwatch is supposedly early-ish, according to a GW stream, but I'm not clear if that means a DW codex before SM, or if they'll actually take the sane approach and start broadening the SM supplement line. That would have saved so much time and duplication during PA. It also jives with DW just getting a cursory WD update, just like necrons got Szeras and (happily) nothing out of Pariah.

It would be good to give oldmarines more wounds.

Right now they aren't good on the tabletop, aren't reflective of their fluff and just feel weird (they always have to me, remember "movie marines" in the white dwarf?).

I'll still play with them anyway, but the game would be better if the models had rules that were more accurate. Maybe give all non-marine units the options they should have per their fluff, via stratagems in order to balance it out? I'm thinking stuff like "tide of traitors" for Ork Boy units, something about psychic powers for every Eldar unit and some kind of extra buffed reanimation protocols for Necrons. Tyranids getting some form of zombie-like we-eat-your-models-in-CC-and-turn-them-into-new-nids rule would be cool too.

Something that allows horde armies to be hordy without forcing the collector to spend way more than an elite army collector, while also allowing the elite army collector to have tough elite dudes would be awesome.

There is just no way this is possible. At 15 points they'd be a dirt cheap steal. Otherwise they'd be the price of Primaris. So then what's the point of Primaris? Slightly nicer guns when minis have a lot more flexibility?

Not a chance.


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Voss wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Does the rumour say when that new codex will arrive? It seems like the current codex is still very recent.

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if a new general SM codex came by January. There is just so much new stuff coming.

But yeah, old marines getting 2 w seems unlikely (at best)

I'd be on one in August...

You think Marines before Necrons?

We've already seen what's probably the cover of the latter codex, and it looks like there are more marine reveals left than necron reveals. (based on blurry pics that already leaked, and what might be the precedent set by the primaris chaplain on bike)

As much as I'd like there to be no such thing as a 1W Marine (aside from scouts), I just don't think they'll ever do that.
You'd need to do that same for Chaos Marines too.
And as others have stated, what would the point be for Primaris

I'd actually not be upset at this point if they moved Tactical Marines to "Legends" and then bumped Chaos Marines to 2W

-.

 Galef wrote:
As much as I'd like there to be no such thing as a 1W Marine (aside from scouts), I just don't think they'll ever do that.
You'd need to do that same for Chaos Marines too.
And as others have stated, what would the point be for Primaris

I'd actually not be upset at this point if they moved Tactical Marines to "Legends" and then bumped Chaos Marines to 2W

-.

Seems unlikely that Chaos Marines would get 2W:

Manflayer wrote:They call themselves Primaris Marines, if that means anything to you.’
‘Nothing of any importance. And why are you concerned?’
‘They are larger. Stronger. Faster. Even veterans of the Long War are hard-pressed to match them. They are better than us, Fabius. Better in every way that matters.’

Reynolds, Josh. Manflayer (Fabius Bile: Warhammer 40,000 Book 3) . Kindle Edition.

2W doesn't just turn them into Primaris. Primaris still have another attack, and more powerful weapons. If you compare a tac at 15pts and 2w to an intercessor, the intercessor has +1 A, -1 AP, and more range. That'd work out fine. The tacs can buy special/heavy weapons, but that costs more.

This would bring the two units inline with each other much better. They've have the same durability, but different styles of offense. Primaris units and their loadouts are different enough from normal marine units that's there little risk of overlap.

Also, while they may be soft squatting loyalist old marines, we know from Chaos getting new kits that they aren't phasing out the statline entirely. So some solution to the problem of the old MeQ statline being back since 8th is needed, and loyalist oldmarines may as well get it too.