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(I think there should be a thread for this but I can't find it. Please delete this if it's a duplicate)

Their Combat Patrol box doesn't seem as good value as the previous ones.

And with the new Captain & Heavy Intercessors coming in the Kill Team: Pariah Nexus box, are there any Marine releases left?

beast_gts wrote:
Their Combat Patrol box doesn't seem as good value as the previous ones.

£119 worth for £85, I think it's only £3 off the blood angel and/or space wolf one off the top of my head. It's not bad, I also would have a use for all of these units myself, be it as units or the case of the chaplain parts, the other kits have either aggressors or reavers which I would not want at all for my army or a dark angel army personally.

I actually think it is the most versatile and fully usable of the marine combat patrols so far, no redundant or dud units.

Not sure on others, but exact same value as Deathwatch one.


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beast_gts wrote:


And with the new Captain & Heavy Intercessors coming in the Kill Team: Pariah Nexus box, are there any Marine releases left?

Thankfully, that should be it. Please let it be a real long time before we get any more.

Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?
Later than any unit, restricted to a box most people won't want, and it will likely take months to have them as stand-alone.
We are talking about a troop unit there.

Blood Angels is £150.50, Space Wolves £128, Deathwatch £125.50 & Dark Angels £119 (or £128 if they include 2 upgrade sprues) (Death Guard is £132.50). So not as good as the Blood Angels, but largely in line with the others.

 bullyboy wrote:
Not sure on others, but exact same value as Deathwatch one.


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beast_gts wrote:


And with the new Captain & Heavy Intercessors coming in the Kill Team: Pariah Nexus box, are there any Marine releases left?

Thankfully, that should be it. Please let it be a real long time before we get any more.

The only real thing that needs to be released for marines now if being picky are the alternate gravis captain build from dark vengeance and some of the exclusive characters from the latest box set, like the Judicier and captain etc, a generic primaris ancient as well. Character kits basically.

beast_gts wrote:
Their Combat Patrol box doesn't seem as good value as the previous ones.

And with the new Captain & Heavy Intercessors coming in the Kill Team: Pariah Nexus box, are there any Marine releases left?

Theres always more marines releases...

DanielFM wrote:
Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?

When they first teased it we assumed it would be the Assault Intercessors & Flayed Ones. GW has released stuff in KT boxes before 40k releases before (Kelermorph, Tech-Priest Manipulus)

beast_gts wrote:
Blood Angels is £150.50, Space Wolves £128, Deathwatch £125.50 & Dark Angels £119 (or £128 if they include 2 upgrade sprues) (Death Guard is £132.50). So not as good as the Blood Angels, but largely in line with the others.

Just checked out blood angels, great deal other than the the lack of use for aggressors personally, I may pick one up.

I've just realised the 5x man death company Intercessors are more expensive price wise, but you're paying £1 more per upgrade sprue that way, than if you bought a squad of 10 and 2x upgrade sprues separately. Weird pricing.

So Dark Angels are joining the Ultramarines?

(sorry I had to)

Besides the Judicator, and the later Heavy Intercessors and ranged Intercessor captain, this should do it for Marine releases.

I hope for several years at the very least. Not sure what the plan is with the 8th edition supplements going forward.

The Start Colllecting Box is nothing special, but it’s also a very useful start point. Which I guess is the point.

Bladeguard and Eradicator kits are most welcome!

I am guessing that the Deathwing Strikemaster found in the latest Munitorium will be a kit-bash like the Talonmaster?

Anyone think that this is probably the last SM combat patrol box too? I can't really see them doing a new box for all the second line chapters, and definitely no first born CP boxes, so that would only leave UM, which I'd have expected to be released first if they got one.

One thing I am a bit suprised at, as this is coming before the Warzone and Crusade supplement. I figured those would be next after DG.

 Sasori wrote:
One thing I am a bit suprised at, as this is coming before the Warzone and Crusade supplement. I figured those would be next after DG.

If they were printed in China they could still be stuck in a container somewhere.

JWBS wrote:
Anyone think that this is probably the last SM combat patrol box too? I can't really see them doing a new box for all the second line chapters, and definitely no first born CP boxes, so that would only leave UM, which I'd have expected to be released first if they got one.

Probably. None of them are especially Chapter-specific (except for the upgrade sprues) and there's not much else they can throw in them. A Firstborn or 30k would would be great, but pigs will probably fly first...

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The only real thing that needs to be released for marines now if being picky are the alternate gravis captain build from dark vengeance and some of the exclusive characters from the latest box set, like the Judicier and captain etc, a generic primaris ancient as well. Character kits basically.

Did the Space Wolf Lt. (or whatever rank they gave him) ever get an individual release? I couldn't find him on the UK webstore when I went for a look the other day, but the BA/DA/Ultra ones were all up there.

 Dysartes wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The only real thing that needs to be released for marines now if being picky are the alternate gravis captain build from dark vengeance and some of the exclusive characters from the latest box set, like the Judicier and captain etc, a generic primaris ancient as well. Character kits basically.

Did the Space Wolf Lt. (or whatever rank they gave him) ever get an individual release? I couldn't find him on the UK webstore when I went for a look the other day, but the BA/DA/Ultra ones were all up there.

Battle Leader, and I don't think he has - Tooth & Claw box, Start Collecting! Primaris Space Wolves box and now the Combat Patrol box.

 Sasori wrote:
Besides the Judicator, and the later Heavy Intercessors and ranged Intercessor captain, this should do it for Marine releases.

I hope for several years at the very least. Not sure what the plan is with the 8th edition supplements going forward.

I have an inkling you will be disappointed then... Grey knights are still to come (which I know are different really but yeah) and, I wouldn't be surprised if black templars get their own supplement, however, I can't imagine that being in the next 12 or 24 months.

I also wouldn't put it past GW upgrading multiple SC's to primaris as they go along through the years as well, like Azrael, or Dante etc.

Actually, there are more kits. Supressors haven't got an individual multipart kit yet still...

A primaris flyer is inevitable at some point also, as well as a true Land raider upgrade as lets face it, a repressor isn't quite heavy duty enough to be a true primaris land raider alternative, as well as true primaris terminators as again, aggressors don't quite fit the full bill as them. These three are just pure speculation though...

beast_gts wrote:

DanielFM wrote:
Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?

When they first teased it we assumed it would be the Assault Intercessors & Flayed Ones. GW has released stuff in KT boxes before 40k releases before (Kelermorph, Tech-Priest Manipulus)

It wasn't after 4 months of waiting for the models, though. This time it's really different.

Even if they released the KT box next month (unlikely) that would mean waiting another two months minimum for the stand alone kit. Six months after the codex or worse.

I think people will lose interest about the unit and sales will be mediocre. Their rules aren't even that ground-breaking. We aren't talking Bladeguard and Eradicators there, so good that people would buy them even if they were released in summer.

DanielFM wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

DanielFM wrote:
Is it me, or is leaving Heavy Intercessors for the KT release a real dick move by GW?

When they first teased it we assumed it would be the Assault Intercessors & Flayed Ones. GW has released stuff in KT boxes before 40k releases before (Kelermorph, Tech-Priest Manipulus)

It wasn't after 4 months of waiting for the models, though. This time it's really different.

Even if they released the KT box next month (unlikely) that would mean waiting another two months minimum for the stand alone kit. Six months after the codex or worse.

I think people will lose interest about the unit and sales will be mediocre. Their rules aren't even that ground-breaking. We aren't talking Bladeguard and Eradicators there, so good that people would buy them even if they were released in summer.

I don't think they need to be ground breaking. A lot of people are really excited about terminator equivalents being Troops, and the heavy intercessors aren't as convertable or replaceable as say, assault intercessors. They were probably the best choice to put in this box to move it. A lot of Necron players are really excited about the Chronomancer.
Those will push sales and probably clear the initial run of these boxes. FOMO and the push to have the 'latest thing' will drive a lot of sales.

The only things that might push sales down is if the price is way too high, or if people find they can't ditch the flayed ones (which is quite possible, since the codex has so many other melee units now)

Not interested, due to Covid. Not even to browse the manual and see what's in there. I will wait at least until March/April, probably after the summer

So the landspeeder turret... how does the guy get in there? Is it like seeing someone into their underwear, and they bolt the turret on after he climbs in?

Also as the lascannon appears to be fixed forward, why not have the pilot use that and have the gunner using a remote turret.

The 3 heads and crew in precisely the same pose is a bit creepy as well.

I'm probably behind the curve on this one,.so apologies if these gripes are already well.recorded...

I'd hope there's a way to preclude the rear passenger from the build, and also to swap heads for the front guys, though there's no indication of that going from the alternate build pics.

 Flinty wrote:
So the landspeeder turret... how does the guy get in there? Is it like seeing someone into their underwear, and they bolt the turret on after he climbs in?

Also as the lascannon appears to be fixed forward, why not have the pilot use that and have the gunner using a remote turret.

I've not seen the back of the model, so I don't know if the turret gunner enters via a back hatch or if the entire turret mechanism raises up to allow entry from the top. I guess we will see soon enough.

As for the pilot, isn't that him behind the hull gun? Drivers in the UK are on the right side of a car after all. That gives the driver the fixed gun, the gunner the sponsons, and the turret gunner the final weapon.

I'm just crossing my fingers we now know the next 6 months of Space Marine releases:

Codex Supplements and the various kits going on prerelease next week

Kill Team release of Heavy Intercessors and Gravis Captain with Heavy Bolt Rifle

Individual release for Heavy Intercessors and Gravis Captain with Heavy Bolt Rifle

The only Space Marine thing "needed" at this point is Codex Supplement Black Templars. They could pair that with the HI release and give the rest of the 40K releases to anything non-Loyalist Astartes.

 Flinty wrote:
So the landspeeder turret... how does the guy get in there? Is it like seeing someone into their underwear, and they bolt the turret on after he climbs in?

Also as the lascannon appears to be fixed forward, why not have the pilot use that and have the gunner using a remote turret.

Agreed. A service hatch to maintain the weapon would be fine. With the way we know marine helmets work with targeting ('blink-clicking' subjects), the gunner seems more than sufficient- there doesn't need to be a third man popping up like a gopher in the back.

I'm kind of puzzled by the missiles on the lastalon variant as well. Nothing on the datasheet indicates those are limited, but there's clearly just two of them, one under each wing. I figured they'd be part of a launcher like the 2nd variant (with the triple melta), with 'twin rocket pods' more like the onslaught variant's fragstorm launchers.

Thx for info JWBS.

Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?

Voss wrote:
...I'm kind of puzzled by the missiles on the lastalon variant as well. Nothing on the datasheet indicates those are limited, but there's clearly just two of them, one under each wing. I figured they'd be part of a launcher like the 2nd variant (with the triple melta), with 'twin rocket pods' more like the onslaught variant's fragstorm launchers.

That's not unusual. Stormravens' four missiles are now two infinite-use launchers, Valkyries' two hellstrike missiles can be fired every turn.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Voss wrote:
...I'm kind of puzzled by the missiles on the lastalon variant as well. Nothing on the datasheet indicates those are limited, but there's clearly just two of them, one under each wing. I figured they'd be part of a launcher like the 2nd variant (with the triple melta), with 'twin rocket pods' more like the onslaught variant's fragstorm launchers.

That's not unusual. Stormravens' four missiles are now two infinite-use launchers, Valkyries' two hellstrike missiles can be fired every turn.

/shrug. Not unusual doesn't make it any better.

Its just really strange that they designed four different types of launcher for this one kit, then shrugged and went... nah. Just bodge two missiles on there, its fine.
The even-more-meltier multimelta is just as odd from a rules perspective. Lets just randomly throw another new profile in the book for this one vehicle. The model designers really felt it needed that extra shot, so into the _five and half_ solid pages of weapon profiles it goes.

 Chimaera wrote:
Thx for info JWBS.

Anyone know if there will be any DA specific models included in release?

It appears not. I kind of thought they would put either Lazarus (since he can also be built as a generic DA captain) or the DA Lieutenant in the Combat Patrol box, but they chose to put a Chappy in instead.