You dont have a painted army, but he does. He wants his 10 points?

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**Beardedragon**

Have you guys ever played a battle, maybe just a non competitive battle, in which your opponent wanted his 10 points for having painted miniatures, where as you didnt have a fully painted army?

I have never had this happen to me, but i was curious if you guys had met people that was adamant in him getting his 10 points just because, so he would have an advantage of winning on points.

Edit: i really meant in a non competitive situation, so non tournements here. I would not show up to a tournement with an unpainted army myself.

**ccs**

No, we don't play that way.

**harlokin**

I'd never play with an unpainted army.

That out of the way, I'd let them have the points. If I lose by 5, I'd know that I really won, so what would it matter.

**Nevelon**

It’s in the rules. He wants the points, they are his to ask for.

That said, I play fully painted all the time, and have yet to claim those points, despite my regular opponent playing a partially painted army.

**Grimtuff**

Oh, this thread again...

You know my opinion on this, dis gon be gud. Get the popcorn out lads!

**edwardmyst**

My armies are all painted as I am a long-term 40ker. That doesn't mean I or some of my group try a new unit out. Outside my own garage? Always a painted army. That said;

If you're at a tournament? He has the right, it's in the rules. Do I agree with it being in the rules? Not sure. I do think painting and modelling are a big part of the hobby.
Have I ever asked for that or had someone ask? No.
If I run into someone in a casual game that wants the points because the actual score matters that much, I'd probably not play them again.

**a_typical_hero**

In casual games it does not matter who won officially and in competitive games the rules for scoring are known before playing.

**Yarium**

I mean, why not give him the points? If he beats you because he’s painted and you’re not, then that’s a moment to CHEER! Not jeer. You laugh and say you had him beat, but his painting literally won it for him. And if you win, you laugh and say “Once again the hordes of grey are victorious!”. In a casual game, it really, absolutely, does NOT matter.

Now, in a tourney game or league or whatever? Well, it’s in the rules, so do it, and that win is legit. You can STILL laugh like before, but now the win counts.

So either way, do it. Why not?

**Wayniac**

Technically they would be right. It's a core rule that a painted army gets 10 VP, like it or not. If you agree before the game to ignore it that's fine but if nothing is said then it applies by default. Holding it against someone to want to have the base rules enforced if not agreed on beforehand is akin to getting upset because somebody wants to use Guilliman In a game.

**Ordana**

Beardedragon wrote:
Have you guys ever played a battle, maybe just a non competitive battle, in which your opponent wanted his 10 points for having painted miniatures, where as you didnt have a fully painted army?

I have never had this happen to me, but i was curious if you guys had met people that was adamant in him getting his 10 points just because, so he would have an advantage of winning on points.

In a tournament your army should be painted and rules that unpainted models had to be removed from the table are not uncommon so it basically never comes up.

Outside of a tournament? Why the F cares, its a casual game. If you lose by less then 10 points because of it you can think to yourself that you won and that's that.

**TangoTwoBravo**

If you really want those 10 points then get painting.

**AnomanderRake**

It seems to me that the painted armies bonus ought to be a tournament thing where you say up-front "we want people to bring painted armies so we're going to hand out a game penalty to people who don't". If you're doing a casual 1v1 with no money on the line and someone demands ten free points at the end of the game because they've had their army longer than yours or because they slapped three-colour minimum haphazardly onto everything they're just being an ass.

**BlackLobster**

Outside of a tournament, league or competition match I don't use that rule. It's frankly silly outside of those gaming environments. Someone who has not painted their army or has no desire to paint their army should not be penalised because of it.

**Dysartes**

BlackLobster wrote:
Outside of a tournament, league or competition match I don't use that rule. It's frankly silly outside of those gaming environments. Someone who has not painted their army or has no desire to paint their army should not be penalised because of it.

They're not being penalised - the player who has put the effort in to achieve the standard is getting a bonus. Subtle difference, but still a difference.

**Racerguy180**

If you have no desire to paint you're army, why the feth are you playing a game that has painting as part of it?

Go play with some cardboard chits instead, would probably save money.

**addnid**

If you don’t want to paint then pay someone to do it. GW models are not meant to be fielded unpainted. People who are too lazy to paint should just go play a game that doesn’t require painting. 10 points is not much.
There are so many games which don’t require painting anything

+1 with Racerguy

**Cronch**

Cause you like the designs? The lore? The act of putting models together but not painting? There's million different reasons why you could be into something.

Of course there's also people who are physically unable to paint much, but I guess they should bring a doctor's notice to the game, the silly things.

**BlackLobster**

Because not everyone enjoys painting models. I know and have known a fair few players who build their models but just want to play the game. They don't care about painting their models. The 10 point thing is rather a silly addition and just their because GW wants you spend money on their paints. I would never turn someone down because they do not have a painted army. Likewise I'd say upfront that I won't be playing that 10 point rule. I'd rather play a game and enjoy it.

**Sgt. Cortez**

So far we outright ignored / forgot that rule. And I'm not playing with unpainted armies anyway. Game is not just about winning, too. So if it was an exciting game and victory points are that close that the additional 10 for paint decide the winner, I'd chuckle and admit defeat.

**Racerguy180**

I don't care about the rule, it has never come up....cuz we play fully painted armies.

Also we don't play for points, so there's that too.

**JNAProductions**

*Shrug*

It's a dumb rule, but so are a lot of other rules. I'd be mildly miffed if my opponent sprang it on me as an "Ah-ha, but I really won the game!" but if they said up front, "Hey, I notice you're running an unpainted/partially painted list. Mine's fully painted, so I'll start 10 points up," I wouldn't really care that much.

**ccs**

Racerguy180 wrote:
If you have no desire to paint you're army, why the feth are you playing a game that has painting as part of it?

Go play with some cardboard chits instead, would probably save money.

It's not lack of desire. It's time, inspiration, etc. It's art. And a hobby. As such it will get done as pleases me.
If that's not good enough for you? Well that's your problem, not mine.

**JNAProductions**

Racerguy180 wrote:
If you have no desire to paint you're army, why the feth are you playing a game that has painting as part of it?

Go play with some cardboard chits instead, would probably save money.

Because I like the game. I like the models. I even like painted models-I just don't like painting.

It's possible to enjoy some parts of a hobby without enjoying or participating in every aspect. If you do the 100 meter dash in track and field, are you not a true athlete unless you also compete well in the mile? Or a marathon?

**Eldarain**

Fine with me. My fault for failing to earn my 10 points.

**Horla**

I deliberately leave my army unpainted, insist they take the points and then crush them anyway. Or at least I do in my head. The only games I’ve played this millennium have been with a 3 year old and a 5 year old.

**TangoTwoBravo**

I think we are mostly talking about the theoretical here. In a tourney you follow the scoring rubric set by the TO. If you get +10 for painting - great! If you didn't paint, you don't get those points. Not seeing the big deal.

In a pick-up game winning and losing is not, in my experience, a big deal. You keep score, but its not something to get too excited about. I haven't seen it come up in pick-up games.

**vipoid**

I think it's a stupid rule but if I refused to play every stupid rule in 40k I'd have to abandon about 90% of the core rulebook.

So if my opponent wants those 10pts I won't say no.

I'll just have to beat him by 11+pts next time.

**Dysartes**

JNAProductions wrote:
*Shrug*

It's a dumb rule, but so are a lot of other rules. I'd be mildly miffed if my opponent sprang it on me as an "Ah-ha, but I really won the game!" but if they said up front, "Hey, I notice you're running an unpainted/partially painted list. Mine's fully painted, so I'll start 10 points up," I wouldn't really care that much.

I do think "Determine if armies are Battle Ready" should've been a pre-battle step, just to avoid the feeling of "Gotcha!"

**tneva82**

Beardedragon wrote:
Have you guys ever played a battle, maybe just a non competitive battle, in which your opponent wanted his 10 points for having painted miniatures, where as you didnt have a fully painted army?

I have never had this happen to me, but i was curious if you guys had met people that was adamant in him getting his 10 points just because, so he would have an advantage of winning on points.

Uuh...that's the　rules. That's how　gw wants it played. If you　have problem with complain to gw. He's 100% correct. That's　how 40k　is　supposed to be played.

**yukishiro1**

The rules say he gets the 10 points so he gets the 10 points, but who really cares? Everyone knows who actually won the game either way. Anybody who gets upset over it either way is making themselves look foolish.