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Just futzing around tonight and happened to notice that the new Necron warrior models are approximately the same size as the new Primaris marines. Aren't the Primaris supposed to be about 8' tall and part of the reason for upsizing was to get them to "the right size" (true scale). If so, are they already stepping on that scale increase by jumping the size of the necrons?
The new Warriors are exactly the same size as the old ones'. So: no.
But many consider Primaris just to be Truescale Marines so if anything the old Marines were too small compared to the old Warriors.
Primaris are better scale (if there is such a thing in a fictional environment) even if it is fun following the contortions of GW so they aren't 'replacing' first born.
They are still a bit small if SoB models are up to scale though. Or SoB gene mod all novices and they end up 6 foot 4 amazonian stature women.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Don't forget the old chrons were very hunched, esp if you leaned them forward on their spines, so that can account for some variation in apparent height between old and new.
Primaris are better scale (if there is such a thing in a fictional environment) even if it is fun following the contortions of GW so they aren't 'replacing' first born.
It's a perfectly cromulent comparison. If you look at the Ghost Ark warriors they're a fair bit taller than the hunched ones on foot.
I think the new Warriors are actually Smaller than the old ones, they just have better posture as noted. They’re definitely sleeker than the old ones with thinner limbs and a narrower torso.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: The new Warriors are exactly the same size as the old ones'. So: no.
But many consider Primaris just to be Truescale Marines so if anything the old Marines were too small compared to the old Warriors.
Marines are 7 feet. Primaris 8 feet. New primaris aren't true scale marines. They are same height as custodians who are supposed to be head taller than classic marines.
Only true scale primaris are is for 8 foot primaris. 7 foot marines? No.
Crimson wrote: Compared to GW's human-sized models such as IG and Skitarii the Primaris are roughly the correct size to be about seven feet tall.
Which I'd like to point out matches the old Jes Goodwin life-size drawing of a Marine at seven feet, and has roughly the same relative height next to Cadians/Skitarii as Firstborn Marines have next to the old pewter Guard regiments (who are noticeably shorter) or DKoK.
Seems like Primaris are basically just Marines finally catching up with scale creep, a decade overdue; not so much actually increasing their canon size.
Crimson wrote: Compared to GW's human-sized models such as IG and Skitarii the Primaris are roughly the correct size to be about seven feet tall.
Which I'd like to point out matches the old Jes Goodwin life-size drawing of a Marine at seven feet, and has roughly the same relative height next to Cadians/Skitarii as Firstborn Marines have next to the old pewter Guard regiments (who are noticeably shorter) or DKoK.
Seems like Primaris are basically just Marines finally catching up with scale creep, a decade overdue; not so much actually increasing their canon size.
The only scale creep was IG. If there was only 1 offending fation you don't scale 1 army up. You scale the offending army back down. Cadian IG were weird giant gorilla men.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Thats not true. All human sized models have been consistent in size. Imperial Guard, Genestealers, Skitarii, etc... Marines WERE the ones that were too small.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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Crimson wrote: Compared to GW's human-sized models such as IG and Skitarii the Primaris are roughly the correct size to be about seven feet tall.
Which I'd like to point out matches the old Jes Goodwin life-size drawing of a Marine at seven feet, and has roughly the same relative height next to Cadians/Skitarii as Firstborn Marines have next to the old pewter Guard regiments (who are noticeably shorter) or DKoK.
Seems like Primaris are basically just Marines finally catching up with scale creep, a decade overdue; not so much actually increasing their canon size.
The only scale creep was IG. If there was only 1 offending fation you don't scale 1 army up. You scale the offending army back down. Cadian IG were weird giant gorilla men.
If it were still 2005 I'd agree, but that ship has long since sailed and now Cadians are normally-sized in comparison to the rest of the game, so it was Marines that needed to be brought up to speed.
Galas wrote: Thats not true. All human sized models have been consistent in size. Imperial Guard, Genestealers, Skitarii, etc... Marines WERE the ones that were too small.
Aren't the Cadians tiny now in comparison to the new SOBs? I think GWs scale is still kinda all over the place.
Crimson wrote: Compared to GW's human-sized models such as IG and Skitarii the Primaris are roughly the correct size to be about seven feet tall.
Which I'd like to point out matches the old Jes Goodwin life-size drawing of a Marine at seven feet, and has roughly the same relative height next to Cadians/Skitarii as Firstborn Marines have next to the old pewter Guard regiments (who are noticeably shorter) or DKoK.
Seems like Primaris are basically just Marines finally catching up with scale creep, a decade overdue; not so much actually increasing their canon size.
The only scale creep was IG. If there was only 1 offending fation you don't scale 1 army up. You scale the offending army back down. Cadian IG were weird giant gorilla men.
If it were still 2005 I'd agree, but that ship has long since sailed and now Cadians are normally-sized in comparison to the rest of the game, so it was Marines that needed to be brought up to speed.
Tyranids haven't gotten bigger. Eldar and d eldar haven't gotten bigger. Orks haven't gotten bigger (and when the few of them that did, did, that just what fungus men do). Necrons haven't gotten bigger (just better posture). Tau haven't gotten bigger. Cultists haven't gotten bigger and and CSM that have are infused with chaos energy.
So... How many factions got bigger?
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Crimson wrote: Compared to GW's human-sized models such as IG and Skitarii the Primaris are roughly the correct size to be about seven feet tall.
Which I'd like to point out matches the old Jes Goodwin life-size drawing of a Marine at seven feet, and has roughly the same relative height next to Cadians/Skitarii as Firstborn Marines have next to the old pewter Guard regiments (who are noticeably shorter) or DKoK.
Seems like Primaris are basically just Marines finally catching up with scale creep, a decade overdue; not so much actually increasing their canon size.
The only scale creep was IG. If there was only 1 offending fation you don't scale 1 army up. You scale the offending army back down. Cadian IG were weird giant gorilla men.
If it were still 2005 I'd agree, but that ship has long since sailed and now Cadians are normally-sized in comparison to the rest of the game, so it was Marines that needed to be brought up to speed.
Tyranids haven't gotten bigger. Eldar and d eldar haven't gotten bigger. Orks haven't gotten bigger (and when the few of them that did, did, that just what fungus men do). Necrons haven't gotten bigger (just better posture). Tau haven't gotten bigger. Cultists haven't gotten bigger and and CSM that have are infused with chaos energy.
So... How many factions got bigger?
That's a really good point, actually. It's just the humans? Possibly some of the Eldar as well. The current Dark Reapers are pretty big.
Gadzilla666 wrote: All of the new CSM infantry models are bigger than the previous models.
And as I pointed out, infused with chaos energy to explain it. Giant mutant monster men from outside real space isn't a scale issue.
They're bigger because gw increased their size to better compare with the new loyalist models and have better proportions. They are no more "infused by Chaos" than in any other edition of the game. They've always been portrayed as the same size as loyalists. Primaris are now supposed to be bigger, but not by that much. And all of the Legions aren't "giant monster mutant men", or "infused by Chaos".
Gadzilla666 wrote: All of the new CSM infantry models are bigger than the previous models.
And as I pointed out, infused with chaos energy to explain it. Giant mutant monster men from outside real space isn't a scale issue.
They're bigger because gw increased their size to better compare with the new loyalist models and have better proportions. They are no more "infused by Chaos" than in any other edition of the game. They've always been portrayed as the same size as loyalists. Primaris are now supposed to be bigger, but not by that much. And all of the Legions aren't "giant monster mutant men", or "infused by Chaos".
No, but the ones that got bigger are. DG are huge and essentially chaos infused corpses that can only still move around because they have been infused with chaos.
Are Alpha Legion looking any bigger these days? No? Oh okay then.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Gadzilla666 wrote: All of the new CSM infantry models are bigger than the previous models.
And as I pointed out, infused with chaos energy to explain it. Giant mutant monster men from outside real space isn't a scale issue.
They're bigger because gw increased their size to better compare with the new loyalist models and have better proportions. They are no more "infused by Chaos" than in any other edition of the game. They've always been portrayed as the same size as loyalists. Primaris are now supposed to be bigger, but not by that much. And all of the Legions aren't "giant monster mutant men", or "infused by Chaos".
No, but the ones that got bigger are. DG are huge and essentially chaos infused corpses that can only still move around because they have been infused with chaos.
Are Alpha Legion looking any bigger these days? No? Oh okay then.
Yes, they are. Basic CSM, Havocs, Chaos Terminators, and all of the new CSM characters are bigger than previous models. That's why I said CSM, not Death Guard.
Lord Damocles wrote:But the basic Chaos Marines ARE larger now...
So like, how are the current Immortals next to Warriors? It seemed like the Warriors could actually be bigger. Immortals are built with bettee posture but that could make them smaller in actuality. Like if you stand up a Warrior they're gigantic.
Galas wrote: Thats not true. All human sized models have been consistent in size. Imperial Guard, Genestealers, Skitarii, etc... Marines WERE the ones that were too small.
Aren't the Cadians tiny now in comparison to the new SOBs? I think GWs scale is still kinda all over the place.
Sisters of Battle are the first human model to be out of scale with the rest of humans in 40k.
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Should be noted that the tau, cultist, ork and kroot are all in 25mm bases but even on 32mm they would be smaller. Sorry but I don't have any cadians, genestealer cultists or skitarii to compare.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
