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2021/04/19 23:48:31
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=posts&action=insert&forum_id=69
Not quite Boyz, not quite nobz, but better than a boy.
I'm personally upset about this. Why not just release a redesign? Why for all intents an purposes design a Slugga Boy +1.
We have Nobz for that? We have Skarboyz for that?
Argh.
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2021/04/19 23:55:12
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Skarboyz and 'Ard Boyz have been a thing for ages in various iterations of the ork codex. Given that they're going for 40k Savage Orks (which is great, IMO, the diversity in different type of Ork forces in the lore absolutely blows the feth out of the done to death astartes and it's about time the tabletop start to reflect that) it makes sense to make them a new unit if they don't want to retire the boyz kit.
And would anyone actually want to HAVE to field their ork boyz with animal skins and savage ork snakebite style stuff?
I have no doubt they'll be basically Skarboyz, with some lower-tech special weaponry. Jesus, the stuff people will whine about...
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/04/19 23:58:22
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Yellin' Yoof on a Scooter
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Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.
We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss
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Da Groxx, WarBoss of the Da Aff-Kicka Korps (DAKK) |
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2021/04/20 00:26:04
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.
We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss
Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2021/04/20 00:36:43
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
Australia
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the_scotsman wrote:Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.
We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss
Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.
Bet. We'll be losing the Skarboyz stratagem for this.
For all intents and purposes the model seen in the article is a slugga boy +1.
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2021/04/20 00:44:51
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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On the other hand, if that makes skar boyz not klan locked any more then i'd call it a win. That is of course assuming the Beast Snagga units are just normal units with a keyword akin to Speedfreaks or Flyboyz and interact with Klan rules normally.
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2021/04/20 00:55:53
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Between Alpha and Omega, and a little to the left
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the_scotsman wrote:Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.
We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss
Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.
I think the proof in the pudding here is going to be the keywords. If they stick "Beast snaggas" into the keywords, and that precludes interaction from "non" beast snaggas, then even if they would fit the Skarboy archetype they might be too hard to include.
Of course, the Speed Freak keyword doesn't cause any problems with list building, so most likely including these not-scarboys will be non-intrusive.
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2021/04/20 01:54:37
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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Man, people talkin' about the rules... This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad!
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2021/04/20 01:57:43
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Can't wait for the "Tranzork Fizzyologee" stratagem.
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2021/04/20 02:24:31
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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I'm a bit split on this but it might be a nice way for GW to introduce stat creep for Orks without making it overbearing. What do I mean by this? Regular boys don't hit hard enough against elite targets and some people were already speculating -1 AP for choppas. I'll be honest, getting 30 boys into strike range is hard but i don't think anyone was really waiting for 120 S4 AP-1 attacks. This could be a way to introduce somewhat harder hitting boys (S5, AP-1?) but with less attacks.
Not a fan of the look myself though, they look to AoS-ey for me but that might just be personal taste.
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2021/04/20 02:24:51
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Second Story Man
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It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.
They run across a Primaris, it's only a matter of time before they start bulking out some Boyz. It's only a matter of time till they get some Primarch Orks out there again.
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Are you a Wolf, a Sheep, or a Hound?
Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right. |
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2021/04/20 02:40:51
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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IMO, Orks are the right thing to keep adding new things to.
And, maybe I’m in a minority, but I really like the look of these dudes so far. People saying these look too much like Sigmar, Orcs in Warhammer have looked the same as 40K in the past. They updated them in Sigmar but haven’t in 40K. So this is them updating them in the same style.
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2021/04/20 02:52:37
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Charistoph wrote:It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.
You sure you aren't describing the way Tyranids react to new threats?
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2021/04/20 02:57:56
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Orks are the only utopians in 40k, it'd be fun if they played that up more. Not that there's any indication of that from this, just hoping.
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2021/04/20 03:00:04
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Confessor Of Sins
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posermcbogus wrote:Man, people talkin' about the rules...
This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad! GW has shown in multiple recent kits that they are capable of providing a number of arms, heads, and accessories to keep your monopose models from looking like 10 different models over and over again.
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2021/04/20 03:05:17
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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10p says they will get 2 wounds
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2021/04/20 03:07:18
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Doubt you're going to find anyone willing to be on the other side of that bet.
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2021/04/20 03:12:38
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Sneaky Lictor
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You know as the only Snakebite player out there apparently I am super happy about these new Ork releases. The squig riders next to my Gargantuan Squiggoth and regular Squiggoths full of these new boyz is just so exciting. I did a lot of work using savage orks converted into 40k choppa boyz but it doesn't matter because these will mix in just perfectly.
Yeah, it is a bit of a Primaris Ork type deal but it has character beyond what a normal boy, Primaris Marines are just marines but better.
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2021/04/20 03:19:03
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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alextroy wrote: posermcbogus wrote:Man, people talkin' about the rules...
This is super primaris-y. Fills a niche that already exists, but I can smell the buffed rules from here, so it's just a better choice. Bit of scale creep, to make your line boys look weedy, will probably even make nobs and meganobs look a bit small, but then go some of the way to giving primaris marines something that looks threatening because of it's relative size parity. Bigger base, too. Clearly monopose as all hell. Sad! GW has shown in multiple recent kits that they are capable of providing a number of arms, heads, and accessories to keep your monopose models from looking like 10 different models over and over again.
That's very, very subjective.
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2021/04/20 04:12:17
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Underrated comment, imo.
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2021/04/20 04:24:17
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Posts with Authority
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Intriguing.
I had a hunch we might see 2W Ork troops during 9th Edition. Makes sense to me.
I wonder how well the torsos will be kitbashable with existing arms & heads.. Plenty of folks upscaling their firstborn marine armies with interecessor torsos, you could potentially do the same with these?
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2021/04/20 04:26:43
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Second Story Man
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Charistoph wrote:It kind of makes a little sense. Orks tend to build and develop according to the forces they face. They meet Terminators, you get MANS. They meet a Knight, you get a Stompa. They see a plane, well, you get the idea.
You sure you aren't describing the way Tyranids react to new threats?
Yes, I'm sure. Where Tyranids see a new tech or new strategy they make a new bug to counter it. Orks just see the tech they're facing and pull out their own version of it to face it.
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Are you a Wolf, a Sheep, or a Hound?
Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right. |
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2021/04/20 05:37:16
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha
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2021/04/20 06:00:09
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Dakka Veteran
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bat702 wrote:Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha
Knowing GW, they would probably "manifest" as $160 definitely-not-a-Daemon Prince-copy models with little to no practical use in most 2000pt and under games due to high points cost and LoW slot usage.
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2021/04/20 06:13:45
Subject: Re:It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Eonfuzz wrote: the_scotsman wrote:Da Dez-Urt Groxx wrote:Maybe it just me but found no meaning link in you post.
We don’t need primaris Ork....the betta, stronga and tuffa the lad, the bigga he gets. Boy->Skarboy->Nob->Boss
Yeah theyre literally just releasing an official model for Skarboyz with the new beast snaggas. They're just called "Beast Snagga Boyz" and they'll have skarboy stats.
Bet. We'll be losing the Skarboyz stratagem for this.
You say that like that's a bad thing.
Oh boo-hoo, the loss of a piece of cardboard in favor of actual models. IMO the game would vastly improve if 90%+ of strats could vanish.
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2021/04/20 06:24:02
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I think it's the best we could hope for. I was actually afraid they'd replace the current Ork boyz kit and kill all possibilities of kitbashing between the Orks. An addition of a different boy that's a Skarboy or a strong feral ork (aka something that's always been in the fluff)? No problem there. And if they're stronger than old boyz, no problem, too. You still have the usual boyz for your horde or these guys for a more elite feel.
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2021/04/20 06:33:58
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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SergentSilver wrote:bat702 wrote:Maybe if we got deeper into Gork and Mork manifesting into the 40k universe, they could be like, a great power has manifested to bless the ork species into something of them possibly taking the whole galaxy eventually, you could then justify this whole "primaris orks" line of models haha
Knowing GW, they would probably "manifest" as $160 definitely-not-a-Daemon Prince-copy models with little to no practical use in most 2000pt and under games due to high points cost and LoW slot usage.
Would be pretty sweet maybe if the orks build like a Gorka/Morkanaught that can then come to life by a weirdboy blessing it with a psychic power, that then makes it more powerful for a turn or two, Also would be interested to see an actual model similar to the Avatar of Kayne the Eldar have.
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2021/04/20 06:51:14
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Hungry Ork Hunta Lying in Wait
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Hmm... Reading the article would it be so unsurprising if Nob's went to W3, MANZ W4 (no invuln native still I bet) and these new boyz to W2?
I'm hyped as someone doing a deffskull savage army (My tattoos can head butt las cannons and win!) and more options will be amazing! Judging from the picture these Orkz will be on 32mm I bet.
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2021/04/20 07:26:41
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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32mm for sure. They reboxed normal Boyz and Nobz and such with 32mm bases already so these dude-bros will definitely get the same.
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2021/04/20 09:00:07
Subject: It's happened, Primaris Orks are coming.
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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I'd rather have had a separate kit for ard' boys with extra armour then this, but then again since my orks mostly languish nowadays in an unused state since about 3 editions i feel like i kinda don't have a horse in this race beyond old grognarding.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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