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Warhammer fest day 2 is summed up here

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/04/warhammer-fest-online-day-2-warhammer-40000/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_4th_May_40k_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=&m_i=ehGf8AP5ogK%2B1RoriXHdyep%2BrUrfu34b%2B3DDoUaRbmJkAI1R6Hkg5RzypB69flSiQhZpXm_dF3wj9hX_6S1vhEzRtDdmRfGee_

If I have read this correct is it saying that if I want to run a disciples of belakor army I need to buy Book of Fire. And indeed if I want Belakors 40K data sheet I need to buy a book that I assume is £20


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And I assume that for my 20 pounds I will get something as thin as the Creation of Bile army rules in war of the spider

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More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?


DLC?
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?


I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.


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mrFickle wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?


DLC?


Downloadable content - comparing GW's practice to selling you only part of the product and making you "download" the rest of it.

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If this book contains rules for a Belakor army then it is fine. That's the sort of thing that is optional by definition.

If this thing contains (as it will) additional matched play rules for existing factions then that's another bad move from GW.
   
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mrFickle wrote:
I need to buy a book


Depends on your definition of NEED, which will depend on your group/the context you're playing in.

If you're going to use a single data sheet out of a book and it's for games in a casual setting... well...
   
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Why is that fine? It’s a £90 model then 20 to run a small army list. This isn’t going to be a codex it’s gonna be a data sheet some strata and a list of units from other codexes that you can use. I doubt there will be any more than you can get front he next white for the fallen
   
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mrFickle wrote:
Why is that fine? It’s a £90 model then 20 to run a small army list. This isn’t going to be a codex it’s gonna be a data sheet some strata and a list of units from other codexes that you can use. I doubt there will be any more than you can get front he next white for the fallen


Because it's fully optional.
GW offers you a thing, you gauge its cost against your needs and make a choice. Simple and easy.

When rules for my faction are put into another book, that's a way more dirty commercial approach.
   
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Right behind you.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?


I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.

Literally nothing is "required" to run AdMech in book I. It was just a specialized list. Frankly, I'd have split that list into three books that were basically must-haves just to tax the Cult Mechanicus complainers who got my Skitarii screwed over anyways.

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As long as it is just optional stuff, then it is okey. Problems start when you get something like the GK PA book, where the codex alone is just unplayable without it.


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Karol wrote:
As long as it is just optional stuff, then it is okey. Problems start when you get something like the GK PA book, where the codex alone is just unplayable without it.



You can play GK without the PA, the added PA rules are an option. But I agree you shouldn’t have to pay to have correction made because they out out a crap codex. You can’t play disciples of belakor, or as it seems a CSM/demon soup, without this book.

Unless the rules will also be in the codex demons but we will never know until comes out a long time from now.
   
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Find someone on Fb that sends you the two pages you want (the one with Be'lakor and the other with his Army). Problem solved and it's not even piracy.
   
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If that one specific detachment is everything about the book that you are interested in, just get the rules from the web.

There will be plenty of reviews online explaining how the list works and most likely at least one guy on Youtube who flips through the book.

While the asking price might be not worth the value for you, it is hardly more than a light inconvinience to get the rules you want for free legally.
   
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Hahaha oh mate, if only your DLC was only 20 quid. Try 35.
   
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Why is it being referred to as DLC? It’s a hard back book
   
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Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".
   
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mrFickle wrote:
Why is it being referred to as DLC? It’s a hard back book


It's used to say that this expansion book contains rules that should be in the Codizes that arrive at the same time. But to make more money these rules are outsourced to that expansion book. DLCs in PC games are similar in that the main game is released incomplete and you have to pay additionally to get more content for your game.
   
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So the question is will these rules ultimately be in codex demons or CSM? I assume the PA rules for bile will be in codex CSM and all the rules that were released for DA are now in the supplement and so on.

Or because this army appears to be a CSM demons soup that a lot of chaos players would be interested in GW will keep it separate.

Will the rules be in the app?
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
More Day 1 DLC, who would've guessed after people defended buying the first one?


I don't know many who did, but this was in the works a while ago. If they do indeed split more admech into this one then it too needs to be left on the shelf and people need to start writing in to protest.

Literally nothing is "required" to run AdMech in book I. It was just a specialized list. Frankly, I'd have split that list into three books that were basically must-haves just to tax the Cult Mechanicus complainers who got my Skitarii screwed over anyways.


Right, I know it isn't "required", but it has more than just a specialist detachment.

Those who normally play Metalica or Raven will want book 1 already.

I guess you could say few people might play Metalica on top of whatever is in the next book, but its still not a great way to handle some of this.

Specialist? That's fine. Core army? No.

   
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I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.

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Right behind you.

And if there were supplement books for Metalica or Raven, there'd be whining about that too.
   
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 Aaranis wrote:
I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.


Simple answer: Books are a different production stream, and don't require the in-house production that models do (and in the past they've used several different printing houses).
Some also would have been in production during the periods when GW thought they'd be caught up on their release cycle, and they didn't want to just write off the costs they'd already incurred.

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 Aaranis wrote:
I don't understand the concept of campaign books in the first place. Their release cycle is already very clogged from Covid and other events and they're shelling out books with likely short-lived content, instead of more codices. By the time I can play again at a GW store in my country I'm sure the campaign books will be deprecated or used in Narrative only or something, it's literally lost money.


That's probably why they're doing this. Ot makes the books more permanent.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
And if there were supplement books for Metalica or Raven, there'd be whining about that too.


I don't think I'm whining. I just don't think it is a customer centric business practice.

There would not be sufficient content to make a worthwhile supplement for sub factions of that size.

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If they had released full supplement books for those particular factions at a normal supplement cost, people would be a lot less upset than shoving 2 pages of rules for 4 different armies into a book and then charging you 60 bucks for it. This isn't a particularly complicated concept.

Of course they aren't going to do that, because supplement books only sell well enough to do for marines. This is a way to boost the sales by trying to get the owners of four different armies to all shell out double price for 1/4 the content.
   
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Spoletta wrote:
Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".

Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".

Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL


Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".

Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL


Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.

As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".

Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL


Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.

As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.


This stuff was planned like a year ago. They already sunk the cost.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
Because DLC in time took the meaning of "Paid additional content".

Except Belakor should have been standard for rules released within either the CSM or Daons codex. This isn't "additional content" LOL


Yes, but I don't mind having this part if the codex will be a long ways out.

As long as they keep sticking these things in the release schedule every codex will get further and further out. They already have supply issues. This isn't helping that.


This stuff was planned like a year ago. They already sunk the cost.

Yeah, I know. Doesn't change the fact. Still not a good look to release additional rules for factions so close to their codex. Or before their codex. And they can't blame the various problems on sticking Belakor's rules in this either if it was already planned. That means they planned to release his new model's rules before the Chaos Daemons codex. One datasheet in a $60 book. Ouch.
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
[ That means they planned to release his new model's rules before the Chaos Daemons codex.


Of course they did. It would make even LESS sense to release the model way after the book bearing his name.

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