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Just like Astartes, they possibly browbeat the next good channel into submission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-54J5Pu4bs

He had some very good and lengthy animations, mostly, but not exclusively, involving the DKoK.

If anyone has those saved somewhere...

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This pastebin was floating around yesterday, but I'm not sure if the vids can still be extracted:

https://pastebin.com/XmYSLpyW
   
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Theres only like 10 videos on that channel, wtf channel is that lol.

EDIT: I see he removed all his 40k stuff, did GW ask him to?

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When was Astartes "browbeaten into submission" by GW? How is someone being given the chance to work for the company that owns the IP they are making content with a bad thing?
I saw Siege, the guy has talent. If they can get paid to work in an official capacity where their work is protected by IP law then I say that's a good thing. You all do remember the Astartes channel got hacked, sold to some random, and took months for the owner to get it back?
A future employer is going to see working for GW more positively than if the guy was doing animation as a hobby.
   
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POSSIBLY browbeaten. Dont leave out important words.
Rumours are they put a gun to the artists head that left them 2 options - to work for GW and accept their terms or get a C&D. Thats not "given a chance", that's essentially blackmail.
Its just as possible as they offered so much money that they simply HAD to agree to not be stupid, but my money is rather on the first.

Vids unfortunately turned to private... :(

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Its not blackmail if someone is making money off of their IP. Its GW exercising its rights as the owner of the IP to prevent others from profiting from it.
As for the rumours, all I ever saw was people wildly speculating about the situation then due to the nature of the Internet, it became a possible truth.
   
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I'm pretty sure a C&D can only be handed out if he's making money off the IP.
   
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 Thairne wrote:
POSSIBLY browbeaten. Dont leave out important words.
Rumours are they put a gun to the artists head that left them 2 options - to work for GW and accept their terms or get a C&D. Thats not "given a chance", that's essentially blackmail.

It isn't even vaguely, that's honestly absurd.

Blackmail involves extorting money from someone or ruining them by way of reputation. It doesn't involve offering them a job or only pulling specific content (they're free to keep doing what they do with other properties, or their own).
These videos are essentially the modern equivalent of a demo tape or art portfolio.


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 fraser1191 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a C&D can only be handed out if he's making money off the IP.
which still wouldn't prevent threatening it to get them to stop, which is usually the point in the first place
   
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 fraser1191 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a C&D can only be handed out if he's making money off the IP.
They make money off their YouTube channel and Patreon.

 Gert wrote:
How is someone being given the chance to work for the company that owns the IP they are making content with a bad thing?
Remember - if you don't hate GW you're a White Knight whale shill (or something like that)...

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 Gert wrote:
As for the rumours, all I ever saw was people wildly speculating about the situation then due to the nature of the Internet, it became a possible truth.


Thats exactly what a rumour is. Speculation and possible truth.

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Right behind you.

 Thairne wrote:
 Gert wrote:
As for the rumours, all I ever saw was people wildly speculating about the situation then due to the nature of the Internet, it became a possible truth.


Thats exactly what a rumour is. Speculation and possible truth.

A rumour is neither of those things?
It's people attempting to explain away events, often with little to no knowledge of the situation.
   
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 fraser1191 wrote:
I'm pretty sure a C&D can only be handed out if he's making money off the IP.

It is YouTube, no need for a C&D when a DMCA complaint will work just fine.


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 Thairne wrote:
POSSIBLY browbeaten. Dont leave out important words.
Rumours are they put a gun to the artists head that left them 2 options - to work for GW and accept their terms or get a C&D. Thats not "given a chance", that's essentially blackmail.
Its just as possible as they offered so much money that they simply HAD to agree to not be stupid, but my money is rather on the first.

Vids unfortunately turned to private... :(

Probably a combination of both, sticks and carrots work best together.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Carrot and stick is a tried and true method of persuasion.
^This

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Carrot and stick is a tried and true method of persuasion.


That kind of a depends who holds the stick. Because I can tell you that method was tried with us for over 180 years, and it did not work very well.

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My personal stance on why I dont like this development at all is basically best said in a comment I found:


In general its amazing whenever creators get opportunities with the companies whose products they make content for. But with GW its very dubious when they force said creators to cut off all communication with their fans, and force them to remove all their hard work only for it to be Edited™ and posted on their fringe site where only fans already dedicated to the community will be able to find them, instead of increasing exposure to the fandom like these works of art did and GW never could. GW keeps shooting itself in the foot, and its getting pretty tiring


They
- shut them down, forcing removal from YT
- thereby reduce exposure
- force you on their site where it gets hidden under a bullet point
- seemingly forbid them to communicate with the fans
- dabble in the process and alter the works, as seen in Astartes (not just sound choices via copyright, but speeding up scenes as well)
- probably replace artistic visions with corporate design
- slow down the releases due to meddling from higher ups

and so far we have not seen anything positive come from it. Which might come, but... I doubt it somehow.
Not white/blackknighting, thats just what I see and fear. Yes, it's their IP, but forcing everything under their control is bad for us as consumers.

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You know I can get it with AoS. They do a lot of wierd stuff with that, but no one can say that the stuff they do there isn't their own stuff. On the other hand the amount of "inspiration" they used in w40k are gigantic. I get that a company wants and has to defends it IP. They full right to do it, by law. But moral grandstanding when their stuff is build on stealing/getting inspired from other people stuff should not be okey.


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Karol wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Carrot and stick is a tried and true method of persuasion.


That kind of a depends who holds the stick. Because I can tell you that method was tried with us for over 180 years, and it did not work very well.
Heh. Not to be glib but they were offering bad or nonexistant carrots.

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I don't understand all this fuss tbh. Anyone who deliberately makes a 40K animation is using GW's protected IP.. If they want a sustainable way to do their animations, they should come up with their own IP, it's as simple as that really. If the animation can't stand on its own merits without having "correct" looking weapons and uniforms etc, there was never any substantial story there to begin with.

I think the only "legit" way for these animations to remain available is for GW to "licence" them..

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 Thairne wrote:
My personal stance on why I dont like this development at all is basically best said in a comment I found:

They
- shut them down, forcing removal from YT
- thereby reduce exposure
- force you on their site where it gets hidden under a bullet point
- seemingly forbid them to communicate with the fans
- dabble in the process and alter the works, as seen in Astartes (not just sound choices via copyright, but speeding up scenes as well)
- probably replace artistic visions with corporate design
- slow down the releases due to meddling from higher ups

and so far we have not seen anything positive come from it. Which might come, but... I doubt it somehow.
Not white/blackknighting, thats just what I see and fear. Yes, it's their IP, but forcing everything under their control is bad for us as consumers.


GW should put these videos in an official 40k YouTube animation channel, in that I agree.

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 Thairne wrote:
My personal stance on why I dont like this development at all is basically best said in a comment I found:


In general its amazing whenever creators get opportunities with the companies whose products they make content for. But with GW its very dubious when they force said creators to cut off all communication with their fans, and force them to remove all their hard work only for it to be Edited™ and posted on their fringe site where only fans already dedicated to the community will be able to find them, instead of increasing exposure to the fandom like these works of art did and GW never could. GW keeps shooting itself in the foot, and its getting pretty tiring


They
- shut them down, forcing removal from YT
- thereby reduce exposure unconfirmed bias, particularly with how YouTube’s algorithm works
- force you on their site where it gets hidden under a bullet point
- seemingly forbid them to communicate with the fans unconfirmed bias
- dabble in the process and alter the works, as seen in Astartes (not just sound choices via copyright, but speeding up scenes as well) unconfirmed bias
- probably replace artistic visions with corporate design unconfirmed bias
- slow down the releases due to meddling from higher ups [unconfirmed bias, particularly in attributing any perceived delays to shadowy higher ups.[/i]

and so far we have not seen anything positive come from it. Which might come, but... I doubt it somehow.
Not white/blackknighting, thats just what I see and fear. Yes, it's their IP, but forcing everything under their control is bad for us as consumers.


There’s a fair amount of bias in your assumptions. I’ve italicised my picks. Particularly the changes to Astartes. We don’t know whether it was the chap behind it taking the chance to spit, polish and rejig scenes he wasn’t happy with.

Remember. The IP belongs to GW. That leaves GW with two options.

1. Take it all down and bury it, never to see the light of day again.
2. Hire the person making it,

They’re going with option 2. Take that win, because the alternative is we get nothing.

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Fair enough.
I'm not writing a doctor's thesis here, I'm expressing, as said, what I see and fear.

And admittedly I've currently a lot of beef with GW with some personal matter with bad communications, bad orders and things you hear from inside guys that just make you shake your head. And last but not least, the entire lack of any and all information about the AdMech Codex. So I am definately VERY inclined to have a negative outlook on GW, yet those fears aren't new, I had them since Astartes got gobbled.


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 BlackoCatto wrote:
"You take down all your GW stuff on your channel and work for us.... or we bust your kneecaps, good deal?" -GW probably.


It would be interesting to know what these kinds of deal actually mean. Do you think this dude and the maker of astartes are actual employees with a fixed salary now, or did they just join a pool of affiliated artists who work on a project-by-project basis?
   
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 tauist wrote:
I don't understand all this fuss tbh. Anyone who deliberately makes a 40K animation is using GW's protected IP.. If they want a sustainable way to do their animations, they should come up with their own IP, it's as simple as that really. If the animation can't stand on its own merits without having "correct" looking weapons and uniforms etc, there was never any substantial story there to begin with.

I think the only "legit" way for these animations to remain available is for GW to "licence" them..


I fully agree. Fans should stop making fan comics, fan animations, or writing fan fiction in an IP that wholly belongs to GW.
   
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It is more that fans should be aware that if a fan product gets really popular, it is going to attract GW's attention. The same goes for any other IP and their respective corporations BTW.

Although fan fiction has the dubious advantage that generates no profit (unlike animation on YouTube) and has a very niche reach, so corporations don't bother unless the author really has something against fan fiction.
   
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Karol wrote:
You know I can get it with AoS. They do a lot of wierd stuff with that, but no one can say that the stuff they do there isn't their own stuff. On the other hand the amount of "inspiration" they used in w40k are gigantic. I get that a company wants and has to defends it IP. They full right to do it, by law. But moral grandstanding when their stuff is build on stealing/getting inspired from other people stuff should not be okey.



I'm getting really, really tired of this argument that just because Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 IP draws inspiration from dozens of different sources means they have no ground to stand on when it comes to defending their IP. I hate to tell you this, but surprise surprise, a LOT of media is at least somewhat derivative and draws its inspiration from things that came before it.
   
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I have no problem with them defending their IP, what I have problem with is GW moral grand standing. Specially when polish or russian companies make models inspired by GW lore, GW suddenly become very anti making money based on inspirtation.


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Karol wrote:
I have no problem with them defending their IP, what I have problem with is GW moral grand standing. Specially when polish or russian companies make models inspired by GW lore, GW suddenly become very anti making money based on inspirtation.


So...felony theft is okay when it's done in Eastern Europe?

Get the feth out of here with that.
   
 
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