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Overread wrote: They've still got that chariot with gryph chargers pulling it
You know what they say. Pics or it didn't happen.
Yeah, I know, no point rehashing models they've already shown. I had still hoped for more. Now don't get me wrong, if GW is intent on primarisizing Sigmarines after only six years I can appreciate getting the core choices done and out of the way. Nothing wrong with the infantry per se (except for the fatboys, I really don't like those), but so far the new style Sigmarines don't have an eye-catching big or centerpiece unit. Just loads and loads of infantry. Bit dull making an army of just that.
I wonder if they ever meant to show the new starter sets in this preview but held off because they still have Dominion boxes left to sell through before they want to advertise the followup product. Been interested in those.
Dysartes wrote: I'm a little confused by the SCE Archer unit we saw in that preview - how come so many are looking to stab their enemies, rather than shoot them?
They fell for elven propaganda and don't have faith that one-string bows can work.
Not in a hurry to buy anything, but the terrain in the big set speaks to me. And I like that the Sigmarine bodyguard unit is in the kit. Was worried it was going to be the fat guys.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Starter sets look like what I expected. Glad to see the three-level system is continuing; I think that is a great way to offer multiple price points. Also glad to see a full fold-out plus terrain in the large one. I personally prefer that to straight miniatures as it better represents the complete package of what Warhammer is.
Thumbs up from me unless they screw us over with the prices.
I know raising prices is GW's favorite pastime, but I can't see this release that so predictably mirrors 40k's to come at higher prices. Not for starter sets.
No doubt, but I wasn't so invested in the release to follow it that closely. Big box with big price tag that only has two models I like was a quick write off to me.
2021/07/19 15:46:55
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Dacian Anvil Made to Order pg.8)
I don't know. Want to see a 360 of the model. There's something strange about the bird. Could be cool, but I find it hard to tell. The paint job isn't helping.
If we were the Stormcast Eternals, we’d be hoping to hear about something strong enough to take down Gobsprakk right about now.
The Stardrakes are insulted...
If new Sigmarines get their own dragon, chances are the cheap, fat, old dragon gets to add feeling obsolete to the list of grudges against the new lean, mean, money-printing machine.
If new Sigmarines get their own dragon, chances are the cheap, fat, old dragon gets to add feeling obsolete to the list of grudges against the new lean, mean, money-printing machine.
Not seen the model in person but from the website and other images the Stardrake looks good. Between the Drake and the Tauralon I don't see why they need another large monster when they both look like they can take this new bird quite easily.
I've seen it in person and wasn't impressed. Just my opinion, of course, but while it's bigger and beefier than the old serpentine dragons and that's a direction I like, I didn't find the pose and specific details inspiring. For reference, I'd put down Skyrim dragons as my ideal aesthetic.
2021/07/20 07:55:48
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Dacian Anvil pg.8, Mouth of Mork/Killaboss pg8)
I mean, the point would be to give us a neat dragon with a rider with the new proportions, which is all the justification I need.
But yeah, Sigmarines are a pretty extensive range and don't necessarily need expansion. But they were bound to get it anyway and with the altered aesthetic we are basically starting from scratch, so it stands to reason that we'll eventually see every kind of unit made of new and improved models.
Giant Gryph-hound? Truth be told I think the little one that comes with the Silver Tower priest is the cutest one and I doubt going up in size actually helps the main selling point of Gryph-hounds. Just saying.
2021/07/20 10:56:20
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Dacian Anvil pg.8, Mouth of Mork/Killaboss pg8)
Yeah, I think Sigmarines and Kruleboyz are getting the same marketing strategy here. Launch box miniatures as an easy buy in to get a core for the armies into people's hands, impressive monsters and war machines as eye catchers to add to that and then the model release around the battletome to fill in any gaps and round off the factions (for now). I think it's a bit premature to judge the appearance of the starter box armies until their battletomes are out.
2021/07/21 10:46:29
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Dacian Anvil pg.8, Mouth of Mork/Killaboss pg8)
I hope this pans out. Apparently I'm one of the few who doesn't have a problem with the current minotaurs, but I won't say no to new ones either. Not the least because I prefer models that don't have poses designed for rank and file formation. Outside of rank and file games, anyway.
2021/07/26 10:30:14
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Dacian Anvil pg.8, Mouth of Mork/Killaboss pg8)
Galas wrote: Spider-Goblins can work. Is just that the ones from silver tower were horrible.
They had potential.
I would rather see that on the savage versions than NGs though. Just imagine insect mutated goblins.
I didn't like the Silver Tower models on account of the cloaks. Seemed like the designers wanted something different but couldn't be bothered to figure out the anatomy. So I agree, some well done goblin spider hybrids could be cool to have if they don't go out of their way to hide half of the model.
With the caveat that the hybrid model vampires got has really bad composition and it's a recent reminder that GW may not get the "well done" part right. They're capable of making amazing models, but just as capable of making amazing duds.
2021/07/27 10:01:22
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Draconith pg 13)
I like the red one, though I'm not entirely sure about the head. It could probably use some minor alterations. But from the looks of things this is the kind of dragon I want. The blue one is a strict downgrade for me with a worse head, slightly worse pose (I prefer the head the other way around like on the red one) and silly Sigmarine bits.
Not a fan of them being named characters, but I guess that's just what GW does these days. What I do like, however, immensely so, is that they are riderless. I want a dragon for the dragon, not the silly little monkey on its back. I was delighted to see AoS finally give me that option with the Zombie Dragon and I am equally delighted to see it here.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I kinda like it other than the way the arms are hanging in front of him, makes the pose look a bit awkward.
There's a shot from the front left at the end of the stupid spinny sequence in the video that has me pretty positive about the body of the dragon. A page or two ago the kangaroo like pose was pointed out (and I would have been cool with that), but I think a side view will give the model an entirely different appearance than the head on one the photographer chose suggests.
yeah I was thinking of that too........ I'm gonna imagine these dragons sounding like sean connery now.
Draconith: Have you been watching over me all night?
GW: I've been thinking.
Draconith: Yes? About what?
GW: Many things. Mostly about what to call you. I think I've found you a name.
Draconith: You say that as though you reached up and plucked it from the sky.
GW: I did. Up there. Do you see that group of stars? (points at the Copywrite constellation)
Draconith: I know those stars very well.
GW: Do you see the shape that they make?
Draconith:Mm-hmm, a dragon.
GW: Yes. But we can't call you that, because we can't trademark that word. Instead we'll go with Draconith. It means "dragon", but we can trademark it.
Draconith: (chuckling) So instead of calling me "dragon" in your tongue, you'll call me "dragon" in legalese?
GW: You're right, it's silly.
Draconith: No! No, I would be honoured to be named after a writers attempt to avoid generic terms. I... I truly would. Thank you, GW. "Draconith"...
Seeing as GW will be calling orcs orcs in TOW, doesn't it kind of invalidate the whole "For copyright purposes" theory of stupid names?
Why, would you like to go back to drug abuse as the reason?
2021/07/27 16:43:37
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Draconith p. 13, Warclans Tome preview p. 17)
tneva82 wrote: And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.
Bit optimistic to think there won't be a bespoke book just for these two minis
Right before the Sigmarine battletome is released? Hardly. As far as I'm aware GW's current Day 1 DLC push in 40k is for faction rules, Crusade and the like. Not model datasheets/warscrolls. There's currently no good reason to believe a model of a certain army won't be in its faction army book unless that book is already released.
Unless the dragons are more widely available as allies rather than part of Sigmarines, and GW suddenly doesn't feel like previewing expansion books anymore, the assumption should be the rules will be in the upcoming battletome.
As for price, we know nothing at the moment and likely won't until a week before they go on pre-order (was that August or September?), but I wouldn't be shocked if GW gave the giant giant price tag another try. The dragon model seems similar in size and the only reason to go down is if the giant didn't sell anywhere near what GW expected (and GW acknowledges price as the reason if that's the case).
2021/07/29 13:25:30
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Draconith p. 13, Warclans Tome preview p. 17)
So, I take it this Stormkeep thingy is an additional layer of army special rules that's in addition to the chapter traits? Is this a new thing for 3rd ed or was that there before?
Seems like a nice way to mix Sigmarines with Cities.
Theophony wrote: I don't know if anyone else is reading the name Karazai as Crazy, but it is all I can pull from it.
Yep. I'm pretty sure the dragon will be fast friends with the centaur vampire called Look Away.
Theophony wrote: I'm not a fan of Stormcast armor on a Dragon though, it just reads too much of "Everyone wants to be a Sigmarine, Including the dragons"
Seems to me you should just accept Sigmar as your spiritual liege like the dragon did.
2021/07/29 14:59:57
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Draconith p. 13, Warclans Tome preview p. 17)
Mr_Rose wrote: The warriors in the starter and the warriors in the box are identical.
For £3.50 extra you get a character and some dice. Oh and some targets to chop up for base deco. It’s a steal!
I personally expect the dominion minis to drop with similar prices to the indomitus ones so the “deal” on the base starter will be similar.
Or gw learned from that. Vindictors come in 5 on starter. I expect solo box have 10 like liberator/sequitor. With price less than 2 starters.
Keep in mind that the equivalents here are Necron Warriors/bog boyz and Marines/Sigmarines. I don't think the Necron situation has any bearing on the Sigmarine side of things.
Six years ago GW replaced its big honking Space Marine statue with a big honking Sigmarine statue. Isn't that enough of a statement of intent to you?
And since then, even with this update, they relased more Space Marines than Sigmarines, not even counting the fact Sigmarines didn't get anything new for several years straight. Things were looking up.
Yeah. Let's come back to talk about this when you get what I'm saying.
2021/08/05 09:53:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Stormdrake Guard, Knight Draconis pg 19)
Keep in mind that the equivalents here are Necron Warriors/bog boyz and Marines/Sigmarines. I don't think the Necron situation has any bearing on the Sigmarine side of things.
Bog boyz/marines/whatever are fairly irrelevant when point is that for like 2-3£ you get same plus character+models for other faction that you can sell away + other stuff.
It's very hard to NOT get necron warriors cheaper by buying starter set than recruit edition.
Now if vindictors come in box of 5 for 45€ we are in same situation. For 5€ you get same + knight arcantum + 12 kruleboyz and I'll be damned if somebody doesn't buy the 10 gutrippas for 6€ minimum...Which would make starter set cheaper way to get vindictors and you get gaming mat(even if not super quality).
So I'm suspecting GW has learned the pricing by now and will make vindictors 10 for 50€ so 2 starters for 10 vindictors costs 80€ so you need to get the 20 gutrippas+characters sold for at least 30€. Doable but not quite as obvious anymore which way to go if you want vindictors.
First off, I don't disagree that the Necron Warriors are individually priced so there's precious little reason to buy them instead of the smallest starter set. That said, I still don't find the situation entirely comparable. Necron Warriors get the exact same sprue in their individual box as the one that's in the starter sets. Assault Intercessors got a multipart kit instead of the same sprue, and they do come ten to a box instead of five like in the small starter set. It's an entirely different situation, and I don't think it's possible to predict what GW is going to do with Vindictors without first acknowledging that Sigmarines are the Marine equivalent rather than the Necron equivalent.
While I have no idea whether we'll get multipart Vindictors with the battletome, I expect they will in fact come ten to a box. Not because of the pricing for a starter set but simply because they are bog standard battleline models and ever since the failed five man boxes of 1st ed GW has sold regular Sigmarine troops in boxes of ten.
About starter set pricing, I don't think GW actually has any lesson to learn. For the duration of its lifespan the starter set needs to have a lowish price to fulfill its function. Similarly the regular box of Necron Warriors can't be priced significantly lower than other troops boxes to account for the disparity in contents because it will be sold long after the starter set that gives us cheap Warriors goes out of print. If they were, GW then doesn't have any choice but to either increase their price later on in a way that makes Dire Avengers feel like an act of charity, or accept that the kit is forever not generating similar profits to similar kits. Neither option is attractive and since GW is evidently happy to keep selling starter sets that offer customers a good deal I don't think it's hard to conclude that they are willing to accept reduced profitability for a few kits for the three years an edition and its starters last. I know it sounds unlike GW, but I don't think insisting that they need to squeeze the last bit of money even out of starter sets and adjacent kits accurately reflects how they operate.
Carlovonsexron wrote: Sign me up for the people who were (and still laregly are) bored with storm casts. i was ready to hop on the train until I saw that they were still too big and out of scale. I don't want to play with 40 -45mm figures. I long for the days of even just 32mm, as I know there will never be a day for 25mm again in the world of warhammer.
You realize right that scale/size depends on how big guy they are supposed to be?
Stormcasts are in universum way bigger than regular human so if they were 32mm tall then either regular humans would need to be lot smaller than that or stormcast would be wrong scale...
You don't have 8 foot tall super humans be same sized model as regular human model.
He may be referring to the rumors of the new SCE being bigger than the old. They've since been debunked but that's easy to miss.
Yes, it is easy to miss and therefore worth pointing out occasionally while the new Sigmarines are still fresh. The new models are proportioned differently and generally slimmer with finer detail, but they're not taller than the old models. This isn't like Primaris that were brought up in size so Marines aren't only as tall as the upsized humans we got since plastic Cadians. Sigmarines were tall from the beginning and didn't need any height increase.
NAVARRO wrote: Actually I did the inverse I started with other armies and did not like SCE looks... well that really changed when I got to see them in the flesh. I think GW paint jobs as gold boys is awful and these are actually awesome minis with so much converting potential.
For me gold isn't the problem. I think Sigmarines look great if the gold is done right. For me it's just the 'Eavy Metal style they're painted in that doesn't work.
I prefer red over blue as the complementary color, too.
I like Sigmarines just fine since I like heavily armored warriors, but the most important part and real appeal to me is that they're a genuine AoS army. Armies unique to the setting suit me a lot better than those imported from the old setting. No baggage and all that.
lord_blackfang wrote: Too bad none of the other factions have figured out that just making a bigger bow with lotsa spikes on it can instantly end all their issues with enemy monsters.
It's a ballista, orruks are hardly the only faction with seige engines
Yes, but do they have Killbows? Sound engineering is no substitute for orky spirit and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a clue how to make things proppa killy. It's a scientific fact.
2021/08/23 12:57:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Gobsprakk, Krondys + Karazai rules preview pg 27)
Too bad still just vague september and atm won't trust even that
I would, actually. What's the worst delay we've seen where they've actually had to adjust an announced release date? Death Guard? That was release a month late and people around here couldn't actually get stuff for another month.
GW isn't immune to shipping delays by any stretch, but they do seem to be late by a few weeks at most rather than having significant disruptions. At least for things that have been announced.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I wonder if GW is so reluctant to admit something went wrong because it would upset shareholders or w/e
GW has shown a variety of responses to delays and similar issues in the past few years ranging from surprisingly unrestrained disclosure to outright rewriting history without any recognizable pattern to it. I'm not sure shareholder concerns are any more reasonable an explanation than voodoo or rolling the PR response on a random table.
Overread wrote: Chariot is perhaps a touch cheaper than I'd have thought based on GW's current prices.
Are these easy build kits like the immediate Marine and Necron reinforcements? Would serve as an explanation.
Or it's a case of GW future proofing the Chaos and Dark Elves chariots (the last new chariots I can think of) and want to keep that level for chariots for a while. Witch Elves were obscenely priced at release, but other kits have caught up to that level by now. For all we like to complain about price hikes (and not without cause either), GW seems to work with fairly long lasting price levels for comparable things that they introduce as something that is seen as a price hike for a few specific kits, and then adjust everything else gradually to that price level. So they may still think that 35€ is the right price for chariots even though that's been in effect for eight years now and Sigmarines just got lucky to get theirs before the next increase.
2021/09/08 08:10:06
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (SCE + Warclans Battletome Pre-Order Sep 11)
kodos wrote: We know for sure after to Armybook is out, but for now it looks like AoS is popular enough so that GW don't need to push it with free stuff any more
I mean, we already know, don't we? The warscrolls aren't missing by accident and GW has already announced that the Age of Sigmar app will work similarly to the 40k one.
I want to say this was inevitable, but it's still not great to see when it actually happens.
NAVARRO wrote: Funny that, how much AoS has changed hey?
I mean sure a multimillion company needed to change the full premise of AoS which was free 3 page rules, use what you want and free warscrolls and try to turn it into the mess of expensive books and rules...
A pass for me on all updates and rules for 40k and same with AoS apparently. Covid and this GW shift to shorter and shorter editions and gatekeeping the rules, errata etc etc makes it easy pass.
The books alone are way too expensive if you have multiple factions and you have to replace them for more expensive updated ones in a couple years...
Four pages, actually. And twelve pages of annotations because it turns out you can't write a rule set like that in four pages. But four pages sure sounded good to the marketing guys.
Not sure what you mean by gatekeeping the rules, but I find that the shorter lifespan of an army book is made worse by splitting off extra stuff in DLC-like fashion. You'd think that if you're going to buy a new army book every three years, and in a few cases less than that, you don't need any more stuff in between that may or may not be repeated in the next army book. This is why I haven't bought any GW rules in years aside from those that came in starter boxes and the like that I bought for the models. Horrific business model, as far as I'm concerned.
Definitely agreed on the upkeep for multiple factions. It's been a problem for me for many years and the free warscrolls provided for AoS have been somewhat of a reprieve until now. It's not even about what I can afford so much as what I want to afford, considering GW's approach to rules these days and how much they're asking for them.
2021/09/13 08:53:14
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (SCE + Warclans Battletome Pre-Order Sep 11)
By all means we should criticize bad decisions, but let's also not forget that this situation is still way, waaaaaaaay better than late-stage Kirby era. Simply boiling things down to 'GW hasn't changed' is to say 'late stage Kirby policies were not any worse than what we have now' and I seriously doubt that is a viewpoint anyone is actually trying to express.
Is this really true any more, though? I mean clearly GW went through a period where it was more customer-friendly. But can we still say this is the case now, in September 2021? They've discontinued digital rules. They've discontinued free warscrolls. They discontinued the working AOS app and haven't replaced it with anything, and the 40k version is a mess. They've started a new round of IP enforcement by cracking down on animations in order to bring them in house and charge people money for what used to be free - not as widespread an IP crackdown as some feared (yet), but a new round nonetheless. They've been releasing embarrassingly broken products that need FAQs to FAQs to FAQs that keep messing stuff up over and over again. Start Collecting sets (at least in 40k) are being phased out in favor of more expensive starter sets with lower % discounts.
In what way is this company friendlier now than it was under Kirby? Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff. But it feels like GW in September 2021 is very like GW under Kirby. I guess maybe the one thing you could say is they fix their errors faster than they used to, sometimes - see the FAQ to the FAQ to the FAQ.
I think we need to remember that Age of Sigmar launched with no balance mechanism whatsoever. The end-state Kirby era was so bad that having points is an improvement.
Not true. There was a sudden death mechanic so my three Nagashs stand a chance against your five Night Goblins.
Games Workshop wrote:Raise your own Dawnbringer Crusade settlements or raze them to the ground with these four boxes, including two Domicile Shells, a Guardian Idol, and a Nexus Syphon.
Four boxes? Four? Each of these items are a single sprue.
They're really going to justify releasing each of these as a separate release:
Likewise when they announced the core terrain expansion people were annoyed they couldn't buy these individually, so someone complains either way.
Yeah, I can reasonably see people wanting individual items out of those. The price point is what will probably kill it.
Indeed, this is how it likely goes. GW terrain is expensive and best bought as bundles. Those usually tend to be good and you get a decent amount of stuff (last round of Kill Team boxes notwithstanding), but you pay big bucks for them. This announcement suggests you'll be buying individual kits at individually smaller, but unduly inflated cost and if you commit to a larger number of terrain pieces you end up paying more than you would with an equivalent bundle box. Neither approach is ideal, but I'd rather take the former as it at least provides a discount under some circumstances.
The only reason to consider individual boxes better is if you want a very specific terrain piece, and only that one, and nothing more. I feel like that's a very specific need and not something you will see very often. Good for those people, but a turn for the worse for those that have large terrain projects in mind or would like to fill a game board.
2021/09/13 10:43:55
Subject: Age of Sigmar 3.0 News & Rumors (Kruleboyz + AoS Terrain Pre-order Sep 18. App Beta)
Why is the Keeper of Secrets 110€ and why was the puny Bloodthirster's price raised to that level? They're the big centerpiece models for the faction, and so is our vulture riding boy here. That's for the most part the price level GW assigns to centerpiece faction leaders at the moment.
and free warscrolls and try to turn it into the mess of expensive books and rules...
