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Yep if you missed your chance to back Reaper Bones 5 KS or you did and you still want a few more things - the Pledge Manager is reopened as of right now. Stocks are limited so its basically first come first served

NOTE if you did back the campaign before you will have to make a new account

Details : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/reaper-miniatures-bones-5-escape-from-pizza-dungeon/posts/3242923

I got my shipment.

The townspeople are disappointingly small and scale best with Perry historical miniatures. The undead are something like 35mm scale
Reaper townsperson, reaper skeleton, GW 6th edition empire, Perry War of Roses, reaper skeleton, CMON Lannister Guard


I was considering getting a second pirate ship, but the one I got is a complete mess with nothing lining up or fitting properly. I'm sure I'll be told to draw a hot bath for the ship and then hold the warped pieces in place while it cools in order to fix it. What a pain. Would not recommend. Pieces glued crooked, etc.
It is made of much softer plastic than I expected.

 Gallahad wrote:


I was considering getting a second pirate ship, but the one I got is a complete mess with nothing lining up or fitting properly. I'm sure I'll be told to draw a hot bath for the ship and then hold the warped pieces in place while it cools in order to fix it. What a pain. Would not recommend. Pieces glued crooked, etc.
It is made of much softer plastic than I expected.

This is why I didn't get one. Reaper always has a habit of making their large things out of early bones formula, which is a horrid material, as it's cheaper to mold and that's what I figured was allowing them to do the really good price. When I saw the update on the deck sagging I knew I was right.

I got Encounter at Mandupar pass and it's the same boat, hahah, where parts don't fit. But it's much smaller and will be easier to fix. But I kind of expected it after Khanjira and every other large thing being super soft, trash material.

That being said. The smaller bones black stuff is great. I'm probably going to jump in for a few dragons and Dark Depths.

Though I do hope that for Bones 6 Reaper ups their game more. They've got a real inconsistency of quality and they really do too much of a patchwork of offerings. I get that they're casting a wide net but it's not surprising the Chronoscope expansion sold poorly and isn't getting reprinted as it's reflective of the core set--just a bunch of things that don't go together and if there is something you like 90% of the stuff you done.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

Though I do hope that for Bones 6 Reaper ups their game more. They've got a real inconsistency of quality and they really do too much of a patchwork of offerings. I get that they're casting a wide net but it's not surprising the Chronoscope expansion sold poorly and isn't getting reprinted as it's reflective of the core set--just a bunch of things that don't go together and if there is something you like 90% of the stuff you done.

What? When did they say that? There was a bunch of stuff in the Chronoscope expansion I wanted, but not enough to blow $50 on a bunch of things I didn't need. Is there a list somewhere of what's not going to retail?

 Slayer Dragonwing wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

Though I do hope that for Bones 6 Reaper ups their game more. They've got a real inconsistency of quality and they really do too much of a patchwork of offerings. I get that they're casting a wide net but it's not surprising the Chronoscope expansion sold poorly and isn't getting reprinted as it's reflective of the core set--just a bunch of things that don't go together and if there is something you like 90% of the stuff you done.

What? When did they say that? There was a bunch of stuff in the Chronoscope expansion I wanted, but not enough to blow $50 on a bunch of things I didn't need. Is there a list somewhere of what's not going to retail?

It's not in the reopened pledge manager so it's not getting reprinted. That doesn't mean there won't be retail releases (as who knows how much their initial order was) but the box set clearly wasn't popular enough to justify several thousand more.

They don't actually say these are fresh castings, it might well just be them dumping excess stock that they don't want/need to hold onto before going to retail. So it not being there doesn't really tell us anything.

It might be it sold so well they are keeping it all for retail; or it sold so poorly that they didn't order excess or it sold so well that they don't have any spare or any one of a million other reasons.

I was looking forward to getting a lot of those minis at retail. It would be a shame if Reaper stopped making them just because their poor deal for minis years away didn’t sell well.

Overread wrote:They don't actually say these are fresh castings, it might well just be them dumping excess stock that they don't want/need to hold onto before going to retail. So it not being there doesn't really tell us anything.

It might be it sold so well they are keeping it all for retail; or it sold so poorly that they didn't order excess or it sold so well that they don't have any spare or any one of a million other reasons.

True. It's just speculation from the comments and parts of the forum but it's the only big box expansion not in 5.5. From what I gather reaper had said in a FB comment this included reprints (which is why it was 6 months out) which started the discussion in the KS comments. But I wasn't able to find said comment so maybe the Reaper person misspoke and deleted/edited the comment.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:I was looking forward to getting a lot of those minis at retail. It would be a shame if Reaper stopped making them just because their poor deal for minis years away didn’t sell well.

They've been contradictory on this. In the KSer update they said if it wasn't in the 5.5 PM then it was going to retail but on Facebook they've also said some stuff may not depending on conditions they never share. I'd wager that they'd at least show up on their own store until stock was gone.

Looks like the skeletons are eating a lot better than the peasants.

No matter how mine turn out, as far as I'm concerned, waiting 2 years for a hundred or two random green army man level material miniatures (whose price level is fast approaching where metal prices were when Bones first appeared) is a dead business model, no matter how well Fantasy Series 2 just did. There's literally hundreds of minis coming out each month that I can have in my hand within hours of going on sale, through the magic of printing. That's not for everyone, I understand, but personally I don't see myself backing a KS for just random minis ever again.

Have gone back in as forgot to close my pledge manager last time. Soon I shall wrestle my own pirate ship!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the skeletons are eating a lot better than the peasants.

No matter how mine turn out, as far as I'm concerned, waiting 2 years for a hundred or two random green army man level material miniatures (whose price level is fast approaching where metal prices were when Bones first appeared) is a dead business model, no matter how well Fantasy Series 2 just did. There's literally hundreds of minis coming out each month that I can have in my hand within hours of going on sale, through the magic of printing. That's not for everyone, I understand, but personally I don't see myself backing a KS for just random minis ever again.

You don't even need a printer as there's so many companies putting out stuff every month that's the same quality as reaper's either through other KSers (that you can just buy as they go to retail) or direct competitors for the RPG market. The base pledge is still a good deal price wise in the KSers but it's so random that I haven't gotten one since Bones 2. The expansion packs I only get if I really like 80% of what's in there outside of that you don't save any money over just buying what you want at a discount retailer.

That's why I was saying Bones 6 needs to be something awesome the landscape has really changed in the past 2 years and it's hard to justify waiting for 16+ months to get your stuff.

Yeah I am far more excited about my dungeon and lasers civvies than the reaper stuff these days.

It will be interesting to see as the last two KS did bring in over 3 million each as there's always new people to replace those of us less interested but the deals haven't just been worth it for the wait and increased competition makes me think 6 won't do as well but I could just easily be completely wrong on this.

It would not surprise me if the next Bones is the last one.

When Bones 5 was live, there was basically a single, basic, consumer grade resin printer available below 1000$. Now a great printer costs less than the average Bones 5 pledge was and printing a 28mm dude costs about the same as printing a page of text on an inkjet, and more STLs probably come out every month than all the physical miniatures in 2019 combined. How will the hobby even look in another 2 years?

There's still a lot of people that don't want or cannot use resin printers (due to housing situations or other factors) and resin printers aren't the most consumer friendly thing just due to the resin itself (though I do find them to be easier to use them FDM printers). I, for example am incredibly sensitive to the resin (tried a few brands to the same effect) and touching even diluted resin (from the iso bath) can give me really bad chemical burns so I always have to wear gloves until I've done post processing curing. That's not always the ideal thing to have at home.

There's always going to be a market for pre-made things until the tech is as simple and safe as a paper printer.

I do think that the Bones KS days are numbered as Reaper original goal with Bones 1 was to get their own injection machine. They've done that now. They'll probably go for a second and then move away from manufacturing in China. Once that happens I'm not sure if KS make sense for them anymore.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
There's always going to be a market for pre-made things until the tech is as simple and safe as a paper printer.

I'm banking on a Sony Printer that's about as safe as a microwave

Honestly even in the online world the 3d printer is still a niche item. The market is huge compared to what it was 2 years ago, but its still a tiny niche. Meanwhile prices for a 3D printed model from a store are about comparable to Bones or other brands.

So in general the average customer is unlikely to see a vast difference in pricing, so the real limit is time. Honestly I don't know if that's an issue. Ks have always had that issue that you've got to wait for them and at least with Reaper Bones its mostly on time or at least reliable communication.

Boardgames and other markets that use models of a similar nature are still doing really well even with 3D printing being a thing.


We might well see Bones change, but in the end I think that it has a few more runs in it before its gone. The real risk for Reaper is perhaps ending up with such a vast bloated library of models that its hard for them to be stocked and supplied in a reliable manner. Ergo that the Bones Ks keep doing well but end up with Reaper having a vast catalogue beyond its normal operating sales requirements.


But those are numbers only Reaper might have a handle on.


Owning a 3D printer myself they are a hobby in themselves right now and whilst the tech is improving very fast, they are a LONG way from replacing regular model sales. Heck some aspects are worse - eg cleanup can be more complex as whilst it might be less in some ways its less "logical" when you're holding the model in your hands. There's also issues with support quality; variation in resin types and properties and a bunch of other things to say nothing of the few bottles you'll waste at the start learning the ropes of how to make it all work.

Christ, is that a bloody Primaris Marine skeleton?

 Overread wrote:
Honestly even in the online world the 3d printer is still a niche item. The market is huge compared to what it was 2 years ago, but its still a tiny niche. Meanwhile prices for a 3D printed model from a store are about comparable to Bones or other brands.

So in general the average customer is unlikely to see a vast difference in pricing, so the real limit is time. Honestly I don't know if that's an issue. Ks have always had that issue that you've got to wait for them and at least with Reaper Bones its mostly on time or at least reliable communication

That's very true. I just bought some wizkids dragons for painting at $11-$14 a pop as STLs for dragons were the same price (but usually more) so even though I have a printer it wasn't really worth it to buy one at the cost right now or wait until I find a set I like via KS or pateron.

I do wonder about Reaper's competitiveness as I live in an area with lots of game stores (way more then there should be for the population density) and of the three closest to me (less then 10min away) only one carries any reaper stuff and that was just a random assortment of earlier bones stuff and some really old metals they don't make anymore. The two that are heavily focused on D&D and hosting RPG nights for people are the ones that don't carry them-- it's all wizkids D&D and Pathfinder lines. One of them, which is a chain in the state, use to carry them a few years ago. Maybe the flagship store still does but it's about 20-25 min away and I haven't been down in that area for a few years.

I wonder if they're getting most their sales via KS and online now days? Though I think the online sale market for miniatures has been larger then at stores for several years now.

I think the issue with stores isn't so much the stores its the distribution to stores and the distributors. From what I gather the big firms buying stock and distributing to stores only like new things and fast selling things. They don't really want Seasons 1-5 to stock for reaper, they want the current season if it sells fast and that's it.

It's a huge thing a lot of games have had to battle and its why we've seen a big shift away from blisters toward battlepacks and the like. GW can buck the trend because they've their own stores and are the big player who dominate the market.
But most of hte others have to fight that game to get their products picked up and shipped around.



Stores also aren't as healthy as they once were - again the highstreet is a very hostile place to stores these days. Higher taxes, rates, rents, smaller store size, fewer staff, worse locations. All that means less shelf space.

Heck even GW have had to adapt - many stores being 1 man bands and in fringe regions not the central main region of town (but still a good spot). I recall in the 90s they were right in the middle of the retail regions and often had 3 or 4 staff at even a small 2 or 3 table store.
Thing is GW have basically done really well since then - in theory that should mean they'd have remained there, but they haven't because the highstreet is so insanely competitive and hostile to retail.

Distribution is a mess right now so I was wondering if it was that, add that they mostly only want to deal with new releases as there so many coming out every week it's impossible for the old model to really work anymore. Still, stock issues wouldn't prevent them from having something for sale.

I know Diamond is on life support here in the US (one of the large 2) as it was struggling pre-pandemic and it didn't help that DC left it with a bunch of small comic book imprints and a few stores to make their own company for comic distribution. Marvel left a few months later.

Alliance is bigger with board games, haven't really looked to see how they're doing. I never bother ordering something from a game store as it always takes a week to get in and I can order direct or from a discount seller and get it cheaper and quicker then placing a special order or waiting for a restock.

I don't really get a regular perspective of game stores out where I live as I mentioned, there are quite a lot. Several are really big too. None in the best of spots but all in reasonable ones that are on main roads (just old buildings that most of the store owners buy and rent out unused space to other stores). There's two local chains (though one is CCGs only) and 7 stores in a 25-30min drive that carry more then board games and magic. Probably another 4-5 that only carry those. I don't tend to go to them anymore but they were all packed Saturday afternoon as I was out running errands where they are.

> The townspeople are disappointingly small and scale best with Perry historical miniatures.

IIRC, The townspeople were sculpts Reaper purchased from a sculptor (or rights from a company) they don't regularly use or something?

IMO, Blacklist Games and Archon (and CMON to some extent) have been close to Reaper's main KS competitors, as well as WizKids. At one time, Reaper said they were after the RPG market, which fits their more niche miniatures (eg. Encounters). BG is primarily a boardgame company, so I'm seeing if they're going to offer more generic fantasy miniatures, or release an entirely different boardgame. Not sure what sort of madness goes into Archon's thinking for their SG's, but I'll take 'em.

I talk to my FLGS manager a lot. Basically he will not touch anything that was Kickstarted, firstly most people who want it already had a chance to buy it, sales are diminished because of price memory (convince someone to pay $6 for a mini if they saw it at $2 in the KS), danger that the product will be offered again at KS prices during the next campaign, leaving his stock dead in the water, and of course a little butthurt at being essentially cut out of the profits on the KS print run.

Also don't forget some KS have a lot of overstock as well at the end within the community. So just after delivery the KS will have a glut of secondhand models and items at lower prices.

It is a risk with KS and its one reason I like the way that Privateer Press has used it for Warcaster - the KS prices are pretty much the same as retail and it wouldn't shock me if a few stores even manage to be under the KS price. It makes the KS more of a pre-order system that works with the retail market.

 Overread wrote:
Yep if you missed your chance to back Reaper Bones 5 KS or you did and you still want a few more things - the Pledge Manager is reopened as of right now. Stocks are limited so its basically first come first served

NOTE if you did back the campaign before you will have to make a new account

Details : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/reaper-miniatures-bones-5-escape-from-pizza-dungeon/posts/3242923

This isn't entirely true, stocks may well have limits in some cases, i.e. things made just for the Kickstarter will be limited to sale of residual stock. However Reaper have highlighted a Jan 2022 delivery to make time for production from China.
If you pledge now for most stuff that will not be warehouse left overs but a second order from China. As tooling is already done this will have a relatively quick turn around time.


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 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:


I was considering getting a second pirate ship, but the one I got is a complete mess with nothing lining up or fitting properly. I'm sure I'll be told to draw a hot bath for the ship and then hold the warped pieces in place while it cools in order to fix it. What a pain. Would not recommend. Pieces glued crooked, etc.
It is made of much softer plastic than I expected.

This is why I didn't get one. Reaper always has a habit of making their large things out of early bones formula, which is a horrid material, as it's cheaper to mold and that's what I figured was allowing them to do the really good price. When I saw the update on the deck sagging I knew I was right.

I got Encounter at Mandupar pass and it's the same boat, hahah, where parts don't fit. But it's much smaller and will be easier to fix. But I kind of expected it after Khanjira and every other large thing being super soft, trash material.

I had this trouble with Baba Yaga's hut from Bones 4. Warpage is only a minor part of the problem. The factory worker (who I don't actually blame as he is a peon to whom they pretend to pay wages) used a very strong glue to slap together the pieces, all of which were misfiting. I had to cut of the ballustrade entirely as it was glued in warped and the worker jammed it in as best he could and super glued it.. Thankfully unsightly gaps in a rickety shack are fixable as much can be got away with as 'falling apart'.

However I was very vocal in asking for the pirate ship not to be sold even part assembled as I know what will happen.

Bones grey is not Bones white, not even remotely as bad. My skeletal dragon is in Bones white, the wing bones drooped to the ground, hot water was only the most temporary of fixes. I will need to salami slice them and core them with green stuff to get anywhere and that is a chore I have put off.


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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Have gone back in as forgot to close my pledge manager last time. Soon I shall wrestle my own pirate ship!

Hold on, you didn't close the pledge manager.

That means you ONLY get the late deals. i.e. +20% markup, $170 core set, extras and bases unavailable and have to wait until 2022.

2020 was a problem time, but TLDRing through the myriad pledge manager warning messages was not a good move. Reaper were not lax on warning backers.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like the skeletons are eating a lot better than the peasants.

No matter how mine turn out, as far as I'm concerned, waiting 2 years for a hundred or two random green army man level material miniatures (whose price level is fast approaching where metal prices were when Bones first appeared) is a dead business model, no matter how well Fantasy Series 2 just did. There's literally hundreds of minis coming out each month that I can have in my hand within hours of going on sale, through the magic of printing. That's not for everyone, I understand, but personally I don't see myself backing a KS for just random minis ever again.

I forgive Reaper a lot. I like some of the character minis and the scale RNG can be useful at times to add some big and small people amongast the average 28mm. Now some modesl do go way off, like the skellies, but I put those aside.
My main problem is the inclusion of joke miniatures, chibis, mouselings etc. I would'nt mind a chibi set with enough chibis to make a difference, but you dont get that, you get chibi's in the core like it or not, and never enough to make a game out of them.
I forgive all that too. When I buy Reaper it is mostly for the monsters, terrain and the occasional character model that makes a hit. I expect to have a very high 'reject rate' of human sized minis. 80% of human scale bones miniatures don't even make it onto the pile of shame but are consigned to giveaways, or boxed until I find a use for them. However the sample size is high enough that the RNG provides many hidden gems in the character minis, though even then I have to replace the weapons and other extremities with bitz from HIPS plastic kits.


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 ced1106 wrote:
> The townspeople are disappointingly small and scale best with Perry historical miniatures.

Not really a problem, civilians come in different sizes and the bigger stronger people become adventurers and guards. Perry historicals are proportioned differently, Reaper peasants are 5'5" guys in 28mm scale. They are fine, mix them up with Fireforge peasants, esp if you cross convert and you get a good range of bystanders.

 ced1106 wrote:

IMO, Blacklist Games and Archon (and CMON to some extent) have been close to Reaper's main KS competitors, as well as WizKids. At one time, Reaper said they were after the RPG market, which fits their more niche miniatures (eg. Encounters). BG is primarily a boardgame company, so I'm seeing if they're going to offer more generic fantasy miniatures, or release an entirely different boardgame. Not sure what sort of madness goes into Archon's thinking for their SG's, but I'll take 'em.

Archon is where Reaper should be. Invest in CAD and metal tool production technology. Move to HIPS plastic and start competing with GW in quality. They are stuck in the past and reliant on China.
Archon and Reaper both make tat in their kickstarters but it is a relatively small percentage of what they do make.
Bones black is a good idea, not so much for the better resin, though that certainly is a factor, but because it is made in house. Occasionally Reaper takes a step or two off the short easy path to destruction.

 Orlanth wrote:


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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Have gone back in as forgot to close my pledge manager last time. Soon I shall wrestle my own pirate ship!

Hold on, you didn't close the pledge manager.

That means you ONLY get the late deals. i.e. +20% markup, $170 core set, extras and bases unavailable and have to wait until 2022.

2020 was a problem time, but TLDRing through the myriad pledge manager warning messages was not a good move. Reaper were not lax on warning backers.

Odd, I have added what i want from the KS for the original prices, it took my payment and closed it down with confirmation that all was done.

Edit - yep double checked, everything is at the original price. Sure the higher prices weren't for new pledges?

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:


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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Have gone back in as forgot to close my pledge manager last time. Soon I shall wrestle my own pirate ship!

Hold on, you didn't close the pledge manager.

That means you ONLY get the late deals. i.e. +20% markup, $170 core set, extras and bases unavailable and have to wait until 2022.

2020 was a problem time, but TLDRing through the myriad pledge manager warning messages was not a good move. Reaper were not lax on warning backers.

Odd, I have added what i want from the KS for the original prices, it took my payment and closed it down with confirmation that all was done.

Edit - yep double checked, everything is at the original price. Sure the higher prices weren't for new pledges?

You are correct. Increased prices are for late backers and backers opening for 5.5. If you never locked in your pledge you have the original KS prices.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:


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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Have gone back in as forgot to close my pledge manager last time. Soon I shall wrestle my own pirate ship!

Hold on, you didn't close the pledge manager.

That means you ONLY get the late deals. i.e. +20% markup, $170 core set, extras and bases unavailable and have to wait until 2022.

2020 was a problem time, but TLDRing through the myriad pledge manager warning messages was not a good move. Reaper were not lax on warning backers.

Odd, I have added what i want from the KS for the original prices, it took my payment and closed it down with confirmation that all was done.

Edit - yep double checked, everything is at the original price. Sure the higher prices weren't for new pledges?

You are correct. Increased prices are for late backers and backers opening for 5.5. If you never locked in your pledge you have the original KS prices.

I can now confirm that according to Reaper reps backers who didnt close their pledges get 2019 prices My earlier comments were incorrect.
This is very nice of Reaper to do this.

I do not know if you still get 2019 prices if you make a pledge close it an add another. I made about 20 pledges total buying little by little, it would suck if only your first pledge is 2019 prices. I would either ask to confirm or buy everything at once.