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So we have already had new death guard and thousand sons codexes. We only need the new CSM codex, which is one codex, but the recent press release on Warhammer community gives the impression we are getting more than one codex

“Eagle-eyed heretics** may note the lack of codexes for the Traitor Legions. Do not despair, as 2022 will be a bumper year for warp-based shenanigans.”

Is this setting is up for disappointment and it just means demons and CSM or does BUMPER YEAR promise more? EC AND WE? Or a curve ball

Or just a load of new models…??

mrFickle wrote:
So we have already had new death guard and thousand sons codexes. We only need the new CSM codex, which is one codex, but the recent press release on Warhammer community gives the impression we are getting more than one codex

“Eagle-eyed heretics** may note the lack of codexes for the Traitor Legions. Do not despair, as 2022 will be a bumper year for warp-based shenanigans.”

Is this setting is up for disappointment and it just means demons and CSM or does BUMPER YEAR promise more? EC AND WE? Or a curve ball

Or just a load of new models…??

There's rumors floating around for a ton of mutant cultists, possessed and other things for presumably reputable rumormongers that predicted a lot of stuff that came true.

If you predict everything you won’t always be wrong

There is a rumour from a fairly credible source about WE. The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

We know from the codex roadmap that neither CSM nor Daemons are coming this year.

I suspect the delay on CSM has to do with big things coming for chaos in 2022.

Six months to 18 months until we get 2w CSM? Whoo! And then 10-20 months until new edition. Welcome to space marine 2.0 codex land XD

Maybe CSM will get 3 wounds

We can hope.

Rumors are pointing towards a World Eaters codex, and if World Eaters, Death Guard, and Thousand Sons all get Codexes, then it stands to reason that Emperor's Children will get a Codex too.

That said, by the time EC get a Codex, it'll be right before 10th edition, and then GW will likely do what they did with Space Marines and turn the EC, WE, DG, and TS into Supplements attached to the CSM Codex. So, yeah, don't hold your breath.

The rumors are also suggesting plenty of older kits are going to get updated, like Bikers and Possessed, and the Warpsmith moved from resin to plastic. Chosen were also mentioned, which we haven't seen since 6th edition's Dark Vengeance.

Still, we're talking about releases that aren't going to hit the field till 2022 at the earliest. It's going to be a looooooong wait. But, hey, it's already been a pretty long wait. So, wait some more we shall.

Imagine 10'th edition using the new Kill Team stats.

Knights go up to 145 wounds apiece but they get bracketed every 40 wounds.

keep in mind we have 3 chaos armies that need an update as chaos knights are a thing, CSMs, Chaos deamons and chaos knights all getting new stuff would def be a "bumper year" also it's possiable that GW will do the same thing with CSMs as they've done with Marines and EVERY chaos marine subfaction gets a supplement. over all impossiable to say we'll have to wait and see. I would however advise to rememebr that hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment. Keep your expectations low and you'll not be dissappointed, expect a CSM codex, and a deamons codex, maybe with a token new mini (seems everyone is getting at least a character update this time around as only death guard haven't gotten SOMETHING new *considers the massive PA release for admech their new stuff*) and nothing more. if we get more then you'll be pleasently suprised

Death Guard got a new Terminator character and a terrain piece. Every faction so far has got at least one thing.

drbored wrote:
Still, we're talking about releases that aren't going to hit the field till 2022 at the earliest. It's going to be a looooooong wait. But, hey, it's already been a pretty long wait. So, wait some more we shall.

Yup. 14 years. Here's hoping it finally ends.

There are credible rumours indicating that WE are coming. If so, I really doubt we'll see EC this edition.

PenitentJake wrote:
The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

Nah. His language had been ambiguous but he outright told me about a week ago that he'd heard nothing about EC, only WE and CSM.

Most likely scenario in my mind is WE + CSM + a Traitor Legions supplement. There's too much content from F&F to put into a single book and they'll want to sell us more rules. No Noise Marines until 10th for me it looks like.

mrFickle wrote:
If you predict everything you won’t always be wrong

Yea, but these weren't scatter shot predictions.

My guess, which qualifies as wild speculation, I would expect a Chaos Space Marines codex with Traitor Legion supplements for the 7 legions other than Thousand Sons and Death Guard. GW has stripped all the non-vehicle units (other than Chaos Lord and Sorcerer) from both of those codexes, so having them as supplements to refer back to the vehicles in common (which often have additional rules on them regardless) would be an exercise in silliness.

Instead, they can add/update a bunch of models to the range in general while rolling out kits with the release of each of the supplements. It may be a kit or two that is somewhat themed to the supplement or a specific unit.

For example: Codex Supplement World Eaters could be released with new Berserkers (for all CSM) and Red Butcher Terminators (World Eaters specific unit).

Still, it might be asking for a bit much for GW to put out 7+ new kits for Chaos Space Marines. It's not like they are Adeptus Astartes

 alextroy wrote:
My guess, which qualifies as wild speculation, I would expect a Chaos Space Marines codex with Traitor Legion supplements for the 7 legions other than Thousand Sons and Death Guard. GW has stripped all the non-vehicle units (other than Chaos Lord and Sorcerer) from both of those codexes, so having them as supplements to refer back to the vehicles in common (which often have additional rules on them regardless) would be an exercise in silliness.

Instead, they can add/update a bunch of models to the range in general while rolling out kits with the release of each of the supplements. It may be a kit or two that is somewhat themed to the supplement or a specific unit.

For example: Codex Supplement World Eaters could be released with new Berserkers (for all CSM) and Red Butcher Terminators (World Eaters specific unit).

Still, it might be asking for a bit much for GW to put out 7+ new kits for Chaos Space Marines. It's not like they are Adeptus Astartes

Actually, if the leaks are correct, it's 10 new kits, just for CSM. World Eaters will add more.

If the rumors are correct, I'm totally off base with my thoughts. But we all know that GW doesn't think like it's player base

supplements might seem like a lot but consider, the space marine codex release amounted to 2 books and a handfull of models drawn out over time. Let's say they give CSMs a release of a codex and a supplement for each legion, the release would likely be drawn out over a 6 month time period and look something like this


Month 1- Codex, supplement Black Legion. Black Legion Upgrade kit, black Legion character and a new CSM general kit.

Month 2: Codex Supplement World Eaters and Codex Supplement Iron Wariors. - consists of new Khorne Bezerkers, Bezerker Terminators (WE exclusive) A Iron Warriors Special character. an iuron warriors upgrade kit, And a new kit

Month 3: Codex Supplement Emperor's Children and supplement Night Lords - new noise Marines, new noise terminators, upgrade kit for Night Lords and a new kit.


So you'd proably be looking at a new special character for each legion, new noise marines and Bezerkers, and MAYBE an upgrade kit for each legion, plus anything else.

This of course if if GW did a space marine supplements style approuch to them.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
There are credible rumours indicating that WE are coming. If so, I really doubt we'll see EC this edition.

PenitentJake wrote:
The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

Nah. His language had been ambiguous but he outright told me about a week ago that he'd heard nothing about EC, only WE and CSM.

Most likely scenario in my mind is WE + CSM + a Traitor Legions supplement. There's too much content from F&F to put into a single book and they'll want to sell us more rules. No Noise Marines until 10th for me it looks like.

Was really hoping for EC this edition. I'll still take WE though.

The supplement system only works if each subfaction has a good amount of content behind it. Ultramarines, Black Templars (including the new stuff), and the various non-Codex Astartes Chapters work because they have significant range support. The only Chaos Legion that would have any chance at a good value supplement would be Black Legion but even then, 2 characters does not a supplement make.

I don't want supplement books for all the non-Cult Legions. A single Legion book, ok sure, but one for each? And then, what, one for each Renegades as well? Who's lining up to buy Codex: Flawless Host?

 Gert wrote:
Death Guard got a new Terminator character and a terrain piece. Every faction so far has got at least one thing.

Except Dark Eldar.

Their "new" model had already been released months prior in a Battle Box.

What BrianDavion outlined above would be great, I'd leap at an EC supplement with NMs + NM Termies, but I can't see WE and EC going the supplement route. DG was a phenomenally successful release and Primarchs are a massive deal, they dominate and headline any release, and GW won't want e.g. new Berzerkers + Angron etc to take the limelight away from everything else.

I don't know whether they'll go supplements for the other TLs, I think a supplement: traitor legions is more likely, but maybe the popularity of the SM supplements will convince them to give us the same treatment.

I'd just want them to mirror the 1KSons/Death Guard releases for WE and EC:

1. Daemon Primarch.
2. New HQ.
3. New "Priest" style character.
4. Box of 3 specialists (ala Exalted/Deathshroud).
5. New Zerkers/Noise Marines.
6. Zerker Termies/Noise Marine Termies.
7. Chaff Unit (Khorne Beastmen, Slaangors, etc.).

And then each can get something a bit more exotic - Khorne Bikers, Slaaneshi Daemon Engine. That kind of thing.

 Gert wrote:
The supplement system only works if each subfaction has a good amount of content behind it. Ultramarines, Black Templars (including the new stuff), and the various non-Codex Astartes Chapters work because they have significant range support. The only Chaos Legion that would have any chance at a good value supplement would be Black Legion but even then, 2 characters does not a supplement make.

Or you could repurpose existing model to allow them to be in special force orgs per army

Night lords Raptors as troops, Iron warriors havocs as troops, etc.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't want supplement books for all the non-Cult Legions. A single Legion book, ok sure, but one for each? And then, what, one for each Renegades as well? Who's lining up to buy Codex: Flawless Host?

Agreed. The Legions just don't have enough unique units to warrant their own supplements. A Traitor Legions supplement would be more than enough.

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The supplement system only works if each subfaction has a good amount of content behind it. Ultramarines, Black Templars (including the new stuff), and the various non-Codex Astartes Chapters work because they have significant range support. The only Chaos Legion that would have any chance at a good value supplement would be Black Legion but even then, 2 characters does not a supplement make.

Or you could repurpose existing model to allow them to be in special force orgs per army

Night lords Raptors as troops, Iron warriors havocs as troops, etc.

They could do that with a single line in each Legion's rules. Same as they did in Traitor Legions.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Agreed. The Legions just don't have enough unique units to warrant their own supplements. A Traitor Legions supplement would be more than enough.

I'm honestly still surprised that White Scars, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and even Ultramarines have their own supplements. I'd've liked a "Codex: First Founding" book that had for all'a them, then a second book for all the interesting non-First Founding Chapters (Raptors, Space Sharks, Red Scorps, Blood Ravens, Minotaurs, etc.).

But we got what we got. Let's hope they don't repeat that with Chaos. I don't think we need another 5 books (on top of DG/1KS/WE/EC).

I imagine WE will be released Q1 2022. EC would probably drop Q2 2022. Then with basically every traitor codex getting a primarch so far we might see a standalone AL and IW codex with their traitor primarchs getting models.

Then once that's done we'll get generic CSM and Daemons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Agreed. The Legions just don't have enough unique units to warrant their own supplements. A Traitor Legions supplement would be more than enough.

I'm honestly still surprised that White Scars, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and even Ultramarines have their own supplements. I'd've liked a "Codex: First Founding" book that had for all'a them, then a second book for all the interesting non-First Founding Chapters (Raptors, Space Sharks, Red Scorps, Blood Ravens, Minotaurs, etc.).

But we got what we got. Let's hope they don't repeat that with Chaos. I don't think we need another 5 books (on top of DG/1KS/WE/EC).

Because $$$$, of course. And agreed again, we don't need another 5 books clogging up the release schedule. I don't want to see a bunch of "GW is only doing CSM stuff!" threads like we had with loyalists. All of those extra CSM books would just mean everyone else waiting even longer for their own books.

PenitentJake wrote:
There is a rumour from a fairly credible source about WE. The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

We know from the codex roadmap that neither CSM nor Daemons are coming this year.

I suspect the delay on CSM has to do with big things coming for chaos in 2022.

Rumours have said we and ec for years.

Any moment now.

tneva82 wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
There is a rumour from a fairly credible source about WE. The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

We know from the codex roadmap that neither CSM nor Daemons are coming this year.

I suspect the delay on CSM has to do with big things coming for chaos in 2022.

Rumours have said we and ec for years.

Any moment now.

Years before stormcast and new greater daemons we heard rumors. There's stuff done and line up for two years, at least.

 Gert wrote:
The supplement system only works if each subfaction has a good amount of content behind it. Ultramarines, Black Templars (including the new stuff), and the various non-Codex Astartes Chapters work because they have significant range support. The only Chaos Legion that would have any chance at a good value supplement would be Black Legion but even then, 2 characters does not a supplement make.

Like salamanders(2 characters, upgrade sprue), iron hands(1,1) and Ravenguard(1, 1) then? Big significant range support there.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
There is a rumour from a fairly credible source about WE. The same source is less willing to endorse EC to the same degree... But it seems like he wants to tell us it's coming too.

We know from the codex roadmap that neither CSM nor Daemons are coming this year.

I suspect the delay on CSM has to do with big things coming for chaos in 2022.

Rumours have said we and ec for years.

Any moment now.

Years before stormcast and new greater daemons we heard rumors. There's stuff done and line up for two years, at least.

Not rumours as in "sometime". Rumour as in "this year"and "this edition".


Basically same rumour as now. Nothing changed on rumours front.

Guy that said primaris before they came said angron and russ coming. Still waiting (well dreading. Not fan of primarch appearing in tiny insignificant skirmishes)