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So, the big rumour dump seems to suggest these codexes for december. This popped up in the GSC reddit. I could not find a source so take it with a big grain of salt

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For completions sake, the other rumour spoke of a box set Custodes vs GSC (a la Hexfire) with a new Character for Custodes and GSC (Saboteur, probably the rumour engine with the detonator).

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I wouldn't be opposed to any of that as a custodes player. I have 0 shields in my army so is all positive for me. Tought the change from 4++ to 5++ will be felt. Hard.

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I wanted the saboteur to be a new unit and not just a hero, more with the new KT.
   
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Love those GSC rumours from the Purestrain/Patriarch point of view. Would like my monsters to be worth more than just nostalgia.
   
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Honestly those sound like generally good changes for GC. The army is currently too hard to play effectively and needs simplifying a bit or it's just going to scare big chunks of the player base off.

Webbers sound too unpredictable though.
   
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I'm surprised to see that both axes AND spears are getting flat 3 damage, because that makes base Custodes pretty damn scary. I guess this might incentivize taking Wardens more if they price them effectively or give them something in addition to having the option to take Castellan Axes. I know the Allarus Custodians are almost guaranteed to take them every time. The 4+FNP is sorely needed given the amount of MW output that can be pumped out from all the different abilities out of the psychic phase, hopefully this applies to all phases for Custodes. The loss of that beefed up invuln. is going to sting though, and the one SS guy looks like he's still going to be mandatory.

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honestly the thing that makes the rumor for GSC so credible to me is just how fantastically GW-ful it all sounds.

"oh, your army is bad? It cant be for any kind of structural reason, we'll just take all the numers you use for killing things, add 1, and then take all the points costs, and subtract 1. Did that fix it???"

"Oh, this unique xenos weapon, yeah ummm, it's...wouldn't you know it, it works out to be just identical to this standard imperial weapon, no differences at all (except for later on down the line when we buff the imperial weapon and we will not buff your equivalent hehehehehehehehehehe).

...now if you excuse me, I have to go think up the 33rd unique, distinct statline for a type of bolt weapon."

"Hey you know that key ability you guys had that a lot of stuff was dependent on? Yeaaaaaaaah, now it's over here, on this new model and ohbythewayhesonlyinaboxset. Go, fetch! Good boy!"


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GSC sucks now because:

1) their signature ability, Cult Ambush, is primarily useful in the context of board control, and GW reduced the area of the board that you have to control by approximately 30%

2) GW also condensed the game down from around a 4-turn experience to a 3 meaningful turn experience, and in those 3 turns you're supposed to be FURIOUSLY pursuing random secondary tasks in order to rack your points up before you're effectively tabled and dont have the models to pursue your objectives anymore. Surprise surprise, armies that invest significant chunks of their power budget into deep striking and therefore not being on the board for 1 of those 3 turns appear to be pretty darn gakky playing that paradigm.

3) being a 'glass cannon' when literally every army appears to instantly explodinate anything they look at is kind of meaningless, and it doesnt seem theyre going the Harlequins/Drukhari/Daemons route of 'hey remember how these guys were 'glass cannons' well now theyre just, as durable as everybody else but just differently durable and theyre defensively good against different weapons.'

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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To somewhat echo the_scotsman, the GSC rumors do seem to match the general design philosophy of the 9th edition books like Orks and Grey Knights, namely removing "shenanigans" in favor of increased base power.

While I would miss the ambush markers, moving ambush modifiers from stratagems to characters is probably a net gain overall (begrudgingly). The current design is incredibly command point hungry, to the point that most of the CP pool is accounted for before the game begins. Freeing up some of the reliance on CP for basic functionality would give players a bit more freedom for stratagem use at least.

Weapon changes all look plausible, if perhaps uninspired. Seismic cannon is basically taking the current heavy profile with -1 strength on the short range profile, Metamorph claw more or less mirrors a crushing claw on a Tyrant Guard, Familiar change is just reverting to the 7th edition version. The Rending Claw change is interesting provided they don't compensate by lowering the base strength of models that come equipped with them (I'm assuming the change is mostly with the Tyranid book in mind).

I do like the supposed change for the Locus' aura ability. That effect works far better with their theme as a defensive bodyguard (and is more gameplay relevant) than the -1 ld effect it current has.

To be honest though, the main thing I'm looking forward to with a new book is (hopefully) decent points adjustments. They really shouldn't be paying MEQ prices for GEQ bodies.

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 Strat_N8 wrote:
To somewhat echo the_scotsman, the GSC rumors do seem to match the general design philosophy of the 9th edition books like Orks and Grey Knights, namely removing "shenanigans" in favor of increased base power.

While I would miss the ambush markers, moving ambush modifiers from stratagems to characters is probably a net gain overall (begrudgingly). The current design is incredibly command point hungry, to the point that most of the CP pool is accounted for before the game begins. Freeing up some of the reliance on CP for basic functionality would give players a bit more freedom for stratagem use at least.


Agreed. The 8E codex felt like you needed to string multiple complex special rules together just to reach the same performance as units from other factions. Having character choices from the armylist directly affect deployment options is a better way to handle faction abilities than an upfront CP tax.

Also this is speculation, but after the Orks and Sisters boxes I wonder if GW will bring back the Deathwatch Overkill infantry for the GSC Combat Patrol. An HQ character plus 3 sprues would be 500pts+ and gives 50+models at a much lower cost of entry than the separate model kits.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 xttz wrote:

Also this is speculation, but after the Orks and Sisters boxes I wonder if GW will bring back the Deathwatch Overkill infantry for the GSC Combat Patrol. An HQ character plus 3 sprues would be 500pts+ and gives 50+models at a much lower cost of entry than the separate model kits.

Am inclined to agree, but those numbers are gonna be heckin' funky.

It was 12 Hybrids with Autoguns, 2 each of Grenade Launchers and Mining Lasers.
12 Acolytes with Autopistols, CCWs, Rending Claws, and Blasting Charges.
2 Purestrain Genestealers.
2 Aberrants with Power Hammers and 2 Aberrants with Power Picks.

Then there was the other sprue with the Primus, Patriarch, Magus, and Familiars...

I guess maybe they could be swapping unit sizes or something going forward? Maybe moving the Icon Bearers out into their own unit ala the new Smasha Squigs for the Beastsnaggas?


I'm 99% sure that the removal of the counters though has to do with the necessity of actually getting them printed.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 xttz wrote:

Also this is speculation, but after the Orks and Sisters boxes I wonder if GW will bring back the Deathwatch Overkill infantry for the GSC Combat Patrol. An HQ character plus 3 sprues would be 500pts+ and gives 50+models at a much lower cost of entry than the separate model kits.

Am inclined to agree, but those numbers are gonna be heckin' funky.

It was 12 Hybrids with Autoguns, 2 each of Grenade Launchers and Mining Lasers.
12 Acolytes with Autopistols, CCWs, Rending Claws, and Blasting Charges.
2 Purestrain Genestealers.
2 Aberrants with Power Hammers and 2 Aberrants with Power Picks.




Doesn't sound much worse than the SoB Combat Patrol tbh.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 xttz wrote:

Also this is speculation, but after the Orks and Sisters boxes I wonder if GW will bring back the Deathwatch Overkill infantry for the GSC Combat Patrol. An HQ character plus 3 sprues would be 500pts+ and gives 50+models at a much lower cost of entry than the separate model kits.

Am inclined to agree, but those numbers are gonna be heckin' funky.

It was 12 Hybrids with Autoguns, 2 each of Grenade Launchers and Mining Lasers.
12 Acolytes with Autopistols, CCWs, Rending Claws, and Blasting Charges.
2 Purestrain Genestealers.
2 Aberrants with Power Hammers and 2 Aberrants with Power Picks.

Then there was the other sprue with the Primus, Patriarch, Magus, and Familiars..


The Patriarch + characters is already available separately as it's own sprue, so I think it's more likely to see the cheaper Iconward or female Magus in a Combat Patrol.

Each DWOK infantry sprue was:
8 Neophyte (inc 1 grenade launcher and mining laser)
6 Acolytes
2 Aberrants
1 Purestrain

Putting three of those sprues in the box would be closer to currently usable unit sizes. I could see Purestrains becoming a 3+ model unit for GSC to show how rare they are. Hopefully GW do that rather than throw in some old stealer models to make up the numbers.
   
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Sounds plausible & mostly very good. I'd be sad to see the ambush/blip markers go though, always thought that was a cool mechanic.

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Interesting. I think Genestealer Cults will remain a very tricky army to play. Being low save and low toughness, without any -1 to hit them like Eldar have is their main issue. They just fall apart to a stiff breeze, so I'm sure it'll all come down to the points in the new Codex.
   
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Armywide bodyguard? Lol

Can't wait for the Tau Codex.
   
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 xttz wrote:
Each DWOK infantry sprue was:
8 Neophyte (inc 1 grenade launcher and mining laser)
6 Acolytes
2 Aberrants
1 Purestrain

Putting three of those sprues in the box would be closer to currently usable unit sizes. I could see Purestrains becoming a 3+ model unit for GSC to show how rare they are. Hopefully GW do that rather than throw in some old stealer models to make up the numbers.


Or have mixed squads and have fluff of purestrains hiding in larger squads as they are shielded by the mass of blood relatives.
   
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The_Real_Chris wrote:
 xttz wrote:
Each DWOK infantry sprue was:
8 Neophyte (inc 1 grenade launcher and mining laser)
6 Acolytes
2 Aberrants
1 Purestrain

Putting three of those sprues in the box would be closer to currently usable unit sizes. I could see Purestrains becoming a 3+ model unit for GSC to show how rare they are. Hopefully GW do that rather than throw in some old stealer models to make up the numbers.


Or have mixed squads and have fluff of purestrains hiding in larger squads as they are shielded by the mass of blood relatives.



I think they'll just reduce the minimum squad size, as they did with SoB.

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Gathering the Informations.

 xttz wrote:

The Patriarch + characters is already available separately as it's own sprue, so I think it's more likely to see the cheaper Iconward or female Magus in a Combat Patrol.

I don't think it would be an Iconward at this juncture. They've oversaturated that model to hell and back again.

It possibly could be the new Saboteur though.

Each DWOK infantry sprue was:
8 Neophyte (inc 1 grenade launcher and mining laser)
6 Acolytes
2 Aberrants
1 Purestrain

Putting three of those sprues in the box would be closer to currently usable unit sizes. I could see Purestrains becoming a 3+ model unit for GSC to show how rare they are. Hopefully GW do that rather than throw in some old stealer models to make up the numbers.

Right, but the point I was making is just how weird the overall numbers are. That's why I listed the entire DWOK contents.

I guess one way that it could go is including a Goliath or possibly two that they have you build as Rockgrinders. There's two "crew" figures that go in the back that would give you the remaining 4 models to hit a 20 model unit.
   
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5++ Custodes is going to be a pretty big nerf, although I suspect perhaps they may just make Custodes 4++ by default, possibly to simplify the listbuilding when SoS are involved.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
5++ Custodes is going to be a pretty big nerf, although I suspect perhaps they may just make Custodes 4++ by default, possibly to simplify the listbuilding when SoS are involved.


This. I'm betting they are going to make Aegis of the Emperor a flat 4++.
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Armywide bodyguard? Lol

Can't wait for the Tau Codex.


Presumably only for characters though. The reason its cancer in tau is that you can use it on fething riptides and stuff.


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drbored wrote:
Interesting. I think Genestealer Cults will remain a very tricky army to play. Being low save and low toughness, without any -1 to hit them like Eldar have is their main issue. They just fall apart to a stiff breeze, so I'm sure it'll all come down to the points in the new Codex.


Honestly, this is a bit my frustration with them.

The bikers, aberrants, trucks, and rockgrinders would seem to indicate some way to play beyond simply "glass cannon table your opponent or instantly get tabled yourself" but again and again GW puts 99% of their design efforts into making GSC's whole identity just 'ambush some thing, charge and table enemy."

its so dull. I really wish 40k had sigmar's attitude towards resurrection mechanics to make hordes feel and play like actual hordes.

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Tiberias wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
5++ Custodes is going to be a pretty big nerf, although I suspect perhaps they may just make Custodes 4++ by default, possibly to simplify the listbuilding when SoS are involved.


This. I'm betting they are going to make Aegis of the Emperor a flat 4++.


What about stormshields then?

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tneva82 wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
5++ Custodes is going to be a pretty big nerf, although I suspect perhaps they may just make Custodes 4++ by default, possibly to simplify the listbuilding when SoS are involved.


This. I'm betting they are going to make Aegis of the Emperor a flat 4++.


What about stormshields then?


Easily solved, depending on how they want to do it. 'Stormshields' become 'Custodes Lightning Shields' that simply don't buff invulnerables.
Alternately they go with 5++ and assume people will take Stormshields.

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I hope the new HQ won't be as ridiculous as Trajann and not in Allarus.

   
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Given Trajann is "Head Custodian" IIRC, I'm fairly sure any new HQ won't be on his level.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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Gathering the Informations.

 CragHack wrote:
I hope the new HQ won't be as ridiculous as Trajann and not in Allarus.


I still think that this is a tease of the new HQ:
Spoiler:


Would be a good opportunity to bring in The Eyes of the Emperor stuff, as an ally-able non-Knight unit.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
5++ Custodes is going to be a pretty big nerf, although I suspect perhaps they may just make Custodes 4++ by default, possibly to simplify the listbuilding when SoS are involved.


This. I'm betting they are going to make Aegis of the Emperor a flat 4++.


What about stormshields then?
Storm Shields don’t affect invulnerable saves already.

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I think Storm Shields should give a minus to hit or wound just like the Galatus. Makes most sense fluff wise and game wise since GW wants to get rid of 3++.
   
 
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