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Find it hilarious that in the new metawatch article they have art where the worst 3 armies are watching the tournament remotely?


   
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I find it awful and insulting that I own two of their joke armies myself. It even made me smirk in the sad annoyed way.
   
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That art certainly provides a more accurate summation of 40k's state than the article's actual text.

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God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.



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 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.


My thoughts exactly. It really seems to infantilise Warhammer too much in my eyes.

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Im disturbed by the lack of terrain on that table
   
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 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.



This may incite some nerd rage but I still think that is part of what they want to do. Make it a total kids game and then be even more mainstream, makes logical business sense. I think it sucks, but it is what it is.
   
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I like the flag.
   
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The flag is cute, go tau - flag waves -
   
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 AngryAngel80 wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.



This may incite some nerd rage but I still think that is part of what they want to do. Make it a total kids game and then be even more mainstream, makes logical business sense. I think it sucks, but it is what it is.


I think you're reading too much into it, it's more just a fun cartoon style.

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 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Im disturbed by the lack of terrain on that table


Seems quite accurate - for events from 8th, at least. Can't say I've seen that many pictures of tables from events in 9th.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Adrassil wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.


My thoughts exactly. It really seems to infantilise Warhammer too much in my eyes.


It's just art that is attractive for social media. You aren't going to get far promoting Warhammer with Grimdark 100% of the time on Facebook.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Find it hilarious that in the new metawatch article they have art where the worst 3 armies are watching the tournament remotely?

I didn't catch that, but that's probably because I was too busy noticing the other things they seem to be saying in the article:



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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Adrassil wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.


My thoughts exactly. It really seems to infantilise Warhammer too much in my eyes.


It's just art that is attractive for social media. You aren't going to get far promoting Warhammer with Grimdark 100% of the time on Facebook.

Exactly this. Marketing isn't canon and shouldn't be taken seriously. It's just something to grab your attention and sell you a product. No reason to get tied up in knots over it, much less get heavily emotionally invested in it.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Adrassil wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.


My thoughts exactly. It really seems to infantilise Warhammer too much in my eyes.


It's just art that is attractive for social media. You aren't going to get far promoting Warhammer with Grimdark 100% of the time on Facebook.


Yeah and (so far) that new artstyle has way less issues with proportions being completely off in some of the grimdark art we have.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Adrassil wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.


My thoughts exactly. It really seems to infantilise Warhammer too much in my eyes.


It's just art that is attractive for social media. You aren't going to get far promoting Warhammer with Grimdark 100% of the time on Facebook.


Yeah and (so far) that new artstyle has way less issues with proportions being completely off in some of the grimdark art we have.

That's a whole can of worms involving poorly drawn stick people (and some failures in understanding forshortening) that probably should be left unopened, but you're not wrong. You can generally tell which ones were drawn over a person and which ones where they didn't sketch out the person wearing it and just drew the armour.
   
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 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Im disturbed by the lack of terrain on that table

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I thank my lucky stars that I'm NOT a competitive 40K player. Looking at the map setups and how much they talk them up makes me want to puke.

Such a key and interesting skill in the game is reading the table layout, which should be asymmetric IMHO, and thinking through how you you'll utilize either side.

Ideally, part of playing a 40K game, even a competitive one, should include a process for players to alternate setting up terrain pieces and creating a board. Then players roll off to pick sides. The player that picks sides deploys first. Then the the other player gets to decide if they want to go first or not.

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 Mezmorki wrote:
I thank my lucky stars that I'm NOT a competitive 40K player. Looking at the map setups and how much they talk them up makes me want to puke.

Such a key and interesting skill in the game is reading the table layout, which should be asymmetric IMHO, and thinking through how you you'll utilize either side.

Ideally, part of playing a 40K game, even a competitive one, should include a process for players to alternate setting up terrain pieces and creating a board. Then players roll off to pick sides. The player that picks sides deploys first. Then the the other player gets to decide if they want to go first or not.


A fine thing in theory, but it doesn't work well in practice. Especially when you're at a tournament, have an army capable of gaming certain terrain, and you're on the clock to finish the game.

If you want to be competitive then symmetry is preferable to both sides. If you want a nice looking table then don't expect equal outcomes.

Reading a table layout before a battle is no different than a general picking the terrain they will fight on before battle.

   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 AngryAngel80 wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
God, I despise that Tumblr style artwork that they keep pushing. The sooner it dies off the better.



This may incite some nerd rage but I still think that is part of what they want to do. Make it a total kids game and then be even more mainstream, makes logical business sense. I think it sucks, but it is what it is.


I think you're reading too much into it, it's more just a fun cartoon style.


You can think what you want on it, but if I'm right it'll feel pretty bad and if you are it is me over reaching. For what its worth I hope you are correct, I just don't think so and that makes me sad.
   
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I like the softer, fun, accessible WHC article art. All grimderp and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Well some people will like the soft cuddly art, I even said I liked the flag, but I don't like the direction as a whole and if it was like that when I started playing, I probably wouldn't have started. I don't really like my wargames silly soft.

I don't want to derail the thread on that, I was just agreeing with some posters who didn't really dig it too much.

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I love the people who are acting like art made for community website where a Fire Warrior, Guardsman and Genestealer Cultist are sitting watching a game of Warhammer is in any way representative of the art found in actual 40k/AoS content.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Mezmorki wrote:
I thank my lucky stars that I'm NOT a competitive 40K player. Looking at the map setups and how much they talk them up makes me want to puke.

Such a key and interesting skill in the game is reading the table layout, which should be asymmetric IMHO, and thinking through how you you'll utilize either side.

Ideally, part of playing a 40K game, even a competitive one, should include a process for players to alternate setting up terrain pieces and creating a board. Then players roll off to pick sides. The player that picks sides deploys first. Then the the other player gets to decide if they want to go first or not.


A fine thing in theory, but it doesn't work well in practice. Especially when you're at a tournament, have an army capable of gaming certain terrain, and you're on the clock to finish the game.

If you want to be competitive then symmetry is preferable to both sides. If you want a nice looking table then don't expect equal outcomes.

Reading a table layout before a battle is no different than a general picking the terrain they will fight on before battle.


If you were really interested in a competitive test of skill you'd have mirror armies way before you'd need mirror terrain. The army selection has a much greater influence on the outcome than the terrain.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Mezmorki wrote:
I thank my lucky stars that I'm NOT a competitive 40K player. Looking at the map setups and how much they talk them up makes me want to puke.

Such a key and interesting skill in the game is reading the table layout, which should be asymmetric IMHO, and thinking through how you you'll utilize either side.

Ideally, part of playing a 40K game, even a competitive one, should include a process for players to alternate setting up terrain pieces and creating a board. Then players roll off to pick sides. The player that picks sides deploys first. Then the the other player gets to decide if they want to go first or not.


A fine thing in theory, but it doesn't work well in practice. Especially when you're at a tournament, have an army capable of gaming certain terrain, and you're on the clock to finish the game.

If you want to be competitive then symmetry is preferable to both sides. If you want a nice looking table then don't expect equal outcomes.

Reading a table layout before a battle is no different than a general picking the terrain they will fight on before battle.


If you want competive you need to stop gw games. Any game using gw rules is non competive by definition.

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 Da Boss wrote:


If you were really interested in a competitive test of skill you'd have mirror armies way before you'd need mirror terrain. The army selection has a much greater influence on the outcome than the terrain.


I know this is rhetorical but I’m totally in favor of standardized competition lists. We know that competition lists already have nothing to do with the background.

   
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pelicaniforce wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:


If you were really interested in a competitive test of skill you'd have mirror armies way before you'd need mirror terrain. The army selection has a much greater influence on the outcome than the terrain.


I know this is rhetorical but I’m totally in favor of standardized competition lists. We know that competition lists already have nothing to do with the background.



what like "a space marine competive army consists of 3 squads of intercessors, with ten marines each, a squad of assault marines of 5 men, a 3 man outrider squad, 1 hellblaster and 1 devestator squad" etc?

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 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Well some people will like the soft cuddly art, I even said I liked the flag, but I don't like the direction as a whole and if it was like that when I started playing, I probably wouldn't have started. I don't really like my wargames silly soft.

I don't want to derail the thread on that, I was just agreeing with some posters who didn't really dig it too much.


I think it's harmless fun. 25 years ago White Dwarf had page borders for Warhammer Fantasy articles with little doodles that were oftentimes silly and over the top but that certainly did not compete with serious, fully realized artwork. Other older Fantasy publications had them, too. I look at this Warhammer Community art style the same. Something that gives marketing a funny tool but that's so obviously apart from canon artwork that it doesn't intrude.

But yeah, to each their own.

 Gert wrote:
I love the people who are acting like art made for community website where a Fire Warrior, Guardsman and Genestealer Cultist are sitting watching a game of Warhammer is in any way representative of the art found in actual 40k/AoS content.


I'm seeing three Genestealer Cultists. We must be looking at different images.

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BrianDavion wrote:
pelicaniforce wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:


If you were really interested in a competitive test of skill you'd have mirror armies way before you'd need mirror terrain. The army selection has a much greater influence on the outcome than the terrain.


I know this is rhetorical but I’m totally in favor of standardized competition lists. We know that competition lists already have nothing to do with the background.



what like "a space marine competive army consists of 3 squads of intercessors, with ten marines each, a squad of assault marines of 5 men, a 3 man outrider squad, 1 hellblaster and 1 devestator squad" etc?


I think that sort of mirror match would be interesting as an exercise in generalmanship. With equal armies you take that variable out of the equation. What’s left is luck and player skill. Which is more prevalent is a huge can of worms I’ve seen argued over before ad nausium.

From a modeling/painting POV, I think it might be fun to see what people do with the same base. Like a cooking show where they all start with the same ingredients.

But I do think list building is a core part of the game, and by having a fixed army it takes away from people haveing their army of guys. Too much flavor would be lost.

So a fun concept, might make for an interesting weekend event at the FLGS, but probably a bad idea to scale up to something organized/formal/big.

   
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When people complaint about this community and social network artwork I don't know if they don't remember how older RULEBOOKS for fantasy had a ton of funny little drawings in the border of the pages of elfs, dwarfs, goblins, orcs, etc... doing silly stuff.

And it never detracted from the "fluff" of the setting. Is not the "whole direction" of the setting and nothing points out in that direction. Just grumpy people being grumpy.

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