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This is a marketing opportunity for GW actually. Release a brand new Chosen kit with Multimelta options in them. Then let Chosen bring multimeltas. Boom! Instant good sales for the kit. Because now, every CSM player will dream about creating their own retributor like squad of chosen who will bring multimelta death on their foes.

Its not even going to be anywhere near as good as actual retributors, or eradicators, but who cares, because now at least we will have a brand new kit that at least gives us something that approaches this.

And lore wise, this totally makes sense. Multimeltas have been around forever. There is zero reason why CSM can't use Multimeltas. In fact, our Hellbrutes can already use multimeltas! So, you can't even say that somehow, CSM has forgotten how to use this. Nor is it some new tech weapon like the Melta rifle that only the new primaris eradicators can use.

I would argue that Havocs should be allowed to bring Multimeltas, but I bet GW is less likely to do this, if only because the Havoc plastic kit is still relatively new, and it does not come with multimelta options (obviously). It makes sense game wise and lore wise, but not business wise ...

I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

You know they'll do that about three months before the big melta nerf, right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

Oh god that would be terrible... or even worse. It’ll be the dark vengeance chosen and you can only equip them as the dark vengeance chosen are equipped (one power mail, one pair of lightning claws, etc.)

macluvin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

Oh god that would be terrible... or even worse. It’ll be the dark vengeance chosen and you can only equip them as the dark vengeance chosen are equipped (one power mail, one pair of lightning claws, etc.)

If Chosen get a kit, it is 100% going to be what happened to the likes of Plague Marines, Sword Brethren, and other kits.

Ergo a bizarre and utterly gakky meddley of "only what's in the box." Maybe x2 if it's a 5 model kit for a max 10 squad.

That's exactly what you can expect in modern gw kit

 morganfreeman wrote:

macluvin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

Oh god that would be terrible... or even worse. It’ll be the dark vengeance chosen and you can only equip them as the dark vengeance chosen are equipped (one power mail, one pair of lightning claws, etc.)

If Chosen get a kit, it is 100% going to be what happened to the likes of Plague Marines, Sword Brethren, and other kits.

Ergo a bizarre and utterly gakky meddley of "only what's in the box." Maybe x2 if it's a 5 model kit for a max 10 squad.

... at least havocs can justify taking multiple weapon profiles. I would let the heavy bolters be ablative wounds. But... this just ruins the entire purpose of chosen. God if they did that I would probably just stop playing until 10th edition, which to be fair I was probably going to do anyways. But at this point what would chaos have? Chosen would be worthless, unplayable and completely uncustomizeable. They better put a second attack and the ability to take chainsword bolter and bolt pistol on chaos space marine squads...


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Also forcing players to differentiate profiles in a single squad is a terrible terrible game design mechanic that draws out the turn for no reason...

Multimeltas are okay, but I'd prefer something that sets them apart from Loyalists, like Ectoplasmacannons, Chaincannons, Volkite Culverins or Volkite Chargers from Heresy, Baleflamers, stuff like that.
Overall I doubt Chosen will be a shooty unit, though, GW would probably want to make them different from Havocs and GW also likes to make CSM lean into CC, no matter which Legion.

I put a man-portable Ectoplasma Cannon into Black Crusade. It'd be fun to see that brought into 40k proper.

Chosen aren't supposed to be a heavy/special weapons team, that's Havocs. Chosen are supposed to be the most veteran members of a warband, veterans whose skills and experience is even greater than other Chaos Space Marines. They should essentially be a squad of mini-characters, and have the stats and options to show it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

As long as the kits are compatible with the CSM, Havocs, and Raptor/Warp Talons kits, then I hope we'll get the SoB treatment, and they can have anything those kits have. It's our terminators that I'm worried about.....

A good power creep is always the best marketing

A squad of chided would be a good release for kill team

I think Multi-Meltas are still on the list of "must toss in dumpster outside rift when defecting from the Imperium"

I might have some RT era CSM with Multimeltas still lying around.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Chosen aren't supposed to be a heavy/special weapons team, that's Havocs. Chosen are supposed to be the most veteran members of a warband, veterans whose skills and experience is even greater than other Chaos Space Marines. They should essentially be a squad of mini-characters, and have the stats and options to show it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think an actual Chosen kit is a big enough selling point... well... as long as they're not like the Sword Brethren and similar units.

As long as the kits are compatible with the CSM, Havocs, and Raptor/Warp Talons kits, then I hope we'll get the SoB treatment, and they can have anything those kits have. It's our terminators that I'm worried about.....

Havocs don’t get to be the special weapon squad anymore. Chosen are the equivalent of space marine veterans. They should be able to be shooty or stabby. Veteran abilities like the codex of old would also be more amazing, like deployment shenanigans or something. I will be so pissed if they approach chosen with the plague marine treatment. That goes double for terminators... the whole selling point for both those units is the sheer customizeablity. Take that away and they are objectively worse loyalist equivelents. And it would ruin the entire purpose of chaos as a faction.


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 Eldarain wrote:
I think Multi-Meltas are still on the list of "must toss in dumpster outside rift when defecting from the Imperium"

There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.
“Alright. Multimeltas go in the first bin, Storm shields in the second, grav in the third. Remember to leave your second wound with the coat check; you’ll get it when the dark gods at GW say so. Hey hey hey where you going with that thunder hammer?”
“I’m a lord.”
“Oh carry on. Yes don’t forget to park your hovercraft in the junk yard. HEY WHATS THIS! A functional codex? You think YOU get a FUNCTIONAL CODEX?”
“I’m a counts as ultramarine because I’m alpha legion.”
“Oh very well.”

macluvin wrote:
There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.

Many of the old 'why doesn't chaos get x' posts were. Some would end up running the whole gamut of imperial wargear options, usually starting with drop pods, taking a detour through the entire guard codex, speculations on dark mechanicus units, and then through whole horus heresy line to get back to drop pods and other marine stuff like power of the machine spirit, storm shields, and so on.

Does seem to have been a while since we had one of those threads. Nobody ever seems to want beastmen, chaos androids, and all those other chaos units from epic that never made it.

I would really like the Chosen to have more Chaosy weapons, instead of just more cribbed imperial weapons.

I think a big opportunity was missed with the units like Havocs and what not during the 8th refresh.

A.T. wrote:

macluvin wrote:
There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.

Many of the old 'why doesn't chaos get x' posts were. Some would end up running the whole gamut of imperial wargear options, usually starting with drop pods, taking a detour through the entire guard codex, speculations on dark mechanicus units, and then through whole horus heresy line to get back to drop pods and other marine stuff like power of the machine spirit, storm shields, and so on.

Does seem to have been a while since we had one of those threads. Nobody ever seems to want beastmen, chaos androids, and all those other chaos units from epic that never made it.

Probably because of a lack of minis or a lack of nostalgia surrounding those. I mean when you play a space marine player and wonder why his elites have storm shields and you don’t get to put 4+ invuln saves wherever you want it sort of is a kick to the teeth. Or when grav weapons dominates 7th edition and the best you got is melta and plasma... I kind of wish that the 40k playerbase was capable of collectively producing their own rules and agreeing that a home brew rule set was appropriate. If someone wanted to put on the table some long squatted war gear or unit I have no problems myself trying to figure out how to accommodate it. Especially if a good baseline was easily gained from cracking open another codex.

A.T. wrote:

macluvin wrote:
There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.

Many of the old 'why doesn't chaos get x' posts were. Some would end up running the whole gamut of imperial wargear options, usually starting with drop pods, taking a detour through the entire guard codex, speculations on dark mechanicus units, and then through whole horus heresy line to get back to drop pods and other marine stuff like power of the machine spirit, storm shields, and so on.

Does seem to have been a while since we had one of those threads. Nobody ever seems to want beastmen, chaos androids, and all those other chaos units from epic that never made it.

Chaos will get more Beastmen as soon as GW gets around to making Slaangors/Pestigors/Khorgors for Sigmar.

macluvin wrote:
I mean when you play a space marine player and wonder why his elites have storm shields...

Wondering why space marines have something is like wondering whether or not the Simpsons have done it.

Marines have everything. It's unfortunate, but not a particularly good reason to drag the game down further by adding more factions of marines with everything. IMHO.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

A.T. wrote:

macluvin wrote:
There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.

Many of the old 'why doesn't chaos get x' posts were. Some would end up running the whole gamut of imperial wargear options, usually starting with drop pods, taking a detour through the entire guard codex, speculations on dark mechanicus units, and then through whole horus heresy line to get back to drop pods and other marine stuff like power of the machine spirit, storm shields, and so on.

Does seem to have been a while since we had one of those threads. Nobody ever seems to want beastmen, chaos androids, and all those other chaos units from epic that never made it.

Chaos will get more Beastmen as soon as GW gets around to making Slaangors/Pestigors/Khorgors for Sigmar.

They made Slaangors for the Hedonites release, but I don't expect to see those in 40k until/unless there's an Emperor's Children release.

As others have said, I'm expecting a Chosen kit to feature a bewildering array of CC weapons without having enough to equip each marine the same way.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
As others have said, I'm expecting a Chosen kit to feature a bewildering array of CC weapons without having enough to equip each marine the same way.

Yep, and I'd expect at least one of them to be something new, that's not available from third parties, and utterly OP.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
As others have said, I'm expecting a Chosen kit to feature a bewildering array of CC weapons without having enough to equip each marine the same way.

Could be worse, they might put one of everything in the box and then change the unit entry to "One chosen may take x, One chosen may take y, One chosen may take z..." :p

A.T. wrote:

macluvin wrote:
There’s a Monty Python sketch here begging to be made.

Many of the old 'why doesn't chaos get x' posts were. Some would end up running the whole gamut of imperial wargear options, usually starting with drop pods, taking a detour through the entire guard codex, speculations on dark mechanicus units, and then through whole horus heresy line to get back to drop pods and other marine stuff like power of the machine spirit, storm shields, and so on.

Does seem to have been a while since we had one of those threads. Nobody ever seems to want beastmen, chaos androids, and all those other chaos units from epic that never made it.

I always wanted to purchase a box of beastmen and glue laspistols to their hands but routinely forgot about that project. Also a few minotaurs and trolls to recreate the magic of 2nd Chaos codex.

IMHO, if Possessed are like a Chaos opposite to Primaris (I know they're not), then Chosen should be akin to custodes but Chaos. The kind of heroes/characters-not-characters/heroes. Each holding 3/4 wounds, having a 6++, 2+ WS/BS and having 4/5 attacks each, even in power armour with a swiss army loadout that can handle most opponents. Max squad of 6, costing 50pts each sort of thing. An alternative elite troop to terminators or possessed in the elite slot that kid of mixes the two.

You want multi-meltas? Go buy havocs who should be allowed them. Or, use Oblits. That gets me thinking, why the hell do they not do the occasional blister pack any more!? Sell a lone havoc with a MM for a tenner. People will buy.