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With rumors abound about a wave of new eldar release coming after the new year, the first major refresh in some years. The rumor mill is suggesting we'll get plastic rangers and new jet bikes, and maybe new troop models.
The last thing released was the banshees with Jain Zar in the Blood of the Phoenix box set. The less impressive Awaken the dead box set had one new model, the Spiritseer.

Quick side tangent, the Blood of the Phoenix box set also had the dark eldar side of the box and included Drazhar and the Incubi. The new Lelith Hesperax model came out in the Piety and Pain box set pitting sisters vs. dark eldar.

This all being said and knowing eldar and dark eldar are linked. Will the new rumored box of eldar be a dueling banjos situation with new HQ only? Will it be like Blood of the Phoenix with an HQ and a new unit, or will this be a swerve and this be more like the the shadow Spear box set with all new models for both side we are getting to the halfway point of 9th Ed, which is about when shadow Spear dropped with a refresh of Chaos Space Marines and a second wave of primaris.
In that box we got:
1 Captain in Phobos
1 Librarian in Phobos
1 Lieutenant in Phobos
3 Suppressors
3 Eliminators
10 Infiltrators
1 Master of Possession
1 Venomcrawler
2 Obliterators
10 Chaos Space Marines
If you notice that everything in this box was new. And Chaos Space Marines got a few extra goodies outside of this box set in the form of harkon, world claiming and havocs.

So what do primaris still need?

What do Chaos Space Marines need still? Mutilators, cultists, and chosen(rumoured)

What do Eldar need? Avatar of kain(rumored), rangers(rumored), jet bike(rumored), aspect warriors, war walker.

What do you guys think?

New jet bikes? They are one of the newer plastic kits. Although they could do a add-on (or stand alone) for shining spears, which would let them drop production of the old bikes/resin bits that make those up.

 Nevelon wrote:
New jet bikes? They are one of the newer plastic kits. Although they could do a add-on (or stand alone) for shining spears, which would let them drop production of the old bikes/resin bits that make those up.

See and I thought that building them a few years back when they had the one story collecting box set that had 1 hq on jet bike, 1 unit of jet bikes and the fire prism

Here's hoping that the new CSM codex will have enough non-CSM variety to allow a Lost and Damned list. Maybe even give an option to connect with an Astra Militarum detachment, the way GSC do.

 Esmer wrote:
Here's hoping that the new CSM codex will have enough non-CSM variety to allow a Lost and Damned list. Maybe even give an option to connect with an Astra Militarum detachment, the way GSC do.

I wouldn't expect traitor guard in the CSM book. They have been trying to push the Chaos Marines part, trying to cut back on cultist spam.

I could see a Codex Supplement for Astra Militarum that runs traitor guard though, that would be easiest rules wise.

 Esmer wrote:
Here's hoping that the new CSM codex will have enough non-CSM variety to allow a Lost and Damned list.

Here's hoping that the new CSM Codex will make CSMs worth taking.

GW tends to use two types of boxes to release models- VS. boxes (Piety and Pain, Hexfire and Shadow Throne) and LTD Dex preview boxes (Orks, Black Templars). Kill Team vs. Boxes also factor in.

So many releases are going to get one of these types of boxes. I would hope Eldar get BOTH a dex preview box and either a VS. box or a KT VS. box. Honestly, they need such a huge range refresh, there would be models enough to supply all 3 boxes.

As for VS. boxes: given the confrontation set forward in 8th ed, Slaanesh is the best opponent for Eldar- whether that takes the form of Daemons or Emperors Children.

PenitentJake wrote:
I would hope Eldar get BOTH a dex preview box and either a VS. box or a KT VS. box.

I would hope they just release the damned army without any of that extraneous bull gak.

Do we really want to have a limited release and then wait Emperor-knows how long for the new models in the boxes to come out separately? For the Codex to come out? I mean I sure would like to finish off my 1KSons army (I need 6 models to do it), but I still can't buy a frickin' Infernal Master!

Eldar need new pretty much everything that isn't a vehicle, TBH. Bikes are fine. Vehicles are fine - they're still some of the best kits in the game, amazingly, despite being like 20 years old now.

But everything on foot...ooph. I guess if you were really strapped you could keep the current plastic guardians and dire avengers, but that's really about it. Basically everything else needs to be redone (except obviously the very small amount of stuff they have redone, e.g. banshees).

yukishiro1 wrote:
Eldar need new pretty much everything that isn't a vehicle, TBH. Bikes are fine. Vehicles are fine - they're still some of the best kits in the game, amazingly, despite being like 20 years old now.

But everything on foot...ooph. I guess if you were really strapped you could keep the current plastic guardians and dire avengers, but that's really about it. Basically everything else needs to be redone (except obviously the very small amount of stuff they have redone, e.g. banshees).

As far as everything on foot, do you mean Wraith units as well?

I think the Dire Avengers would be fine if they hadn't nearly doubled the price by splitting them into boxes of 5. They're primitive by today's miniature standards, but there's nothing expressly wrong with them though. Vypers could also do with a refresh given what we've seen with the Venom and Starweaver/Voidweaver.

I'm surprised that Jetbikes are on that rumour list given how new they are compared to the rest of the Eldar roster. The current Jetbikes are great minis, IMO. No idea why they'd want to replace them. I really hope that turns out to be a Shining Spears plastic release.

 elisha_wilson wrote:
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So what do primaris still need?
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Taken on it's own, the Primaris range needs a fast melee unit with any sort of punch and mobility options for it's characters. In the larger context the Marine line needs trimmed down and I don't know how you'd do that, there's far to many things without direct analogs to easily fold either range into the other.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Eldar need new pretty much everything that isn't a vehicle, TBH. Bikes are fine. Vehicles are fine - they're still some of the best kits in the game, amazingly, despite being like 20 years old now.

But everything on foot...ooph. I guess if you were really strapped you could keep the current plastic guardians and dire avengers, but that's really about it. Basically everything else needs to be redone (except obviously the very small amount of stuff they have redone, e.g. banshees).

As far as everything on foot, do you mean Wraith units as well?

I think the Dire Avengers would be fine if they hadn't nearly doubled the price by splitting them into boxes of 5. They're primitive by today's miniature standards, but there's nothing expressly wrong with them though. Vypers could also do with a refresh given what we've seen with the Venom and Starweaver/Voidweaver.

I'm surprised that Jetbikes are on that rumour list given how new they are compared to the rest of the Eldar roster. The current Jetbikes are great minis, IMO. No idea why they'd want to replace them. I really hope that turns out to be a Shining Spears plastic release.

I guess the wraithguard are ok too, I wasn't thinking of them TBH. Same for the wraithlord - it's fine. Not great, but fine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
I would hope Eldar get BOTH a dex preview box and either a VS. box or a KT VS. box.

I would hope they just release the damned army without any of that extraneous bull gak.

Do we really want to have a limited release and then wait Emperor-knows how long for the new models in the boxes to come out separately? For the Codex to come out? I mean I sure would like to finish off my 1KSons army (I need 6 models to do it), but I still can't buy an frickin' Infernal Master!

I wouldn't object to just releasing everything as separates all at the beginning either, but boxes tend to have some savings, so I like them. This is also influenced by the fact that I currently have so few CWE models that I'll need just about anything they might put in a box.

I can see how folks with larger existing collections might prefer the release of the entire range update as separates, but for people starting an army, the discounts offered by boxed sets are a great incentive. I've put together a pretty decent DE army, and the whole thing was built with boxes.

Do you guys think Harlies will get rolled into the next Eldar codex?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
Here's hoping that the new CSM codex will have enough non-CSM variety to allow a Lost and Damned list.

Here's hoping that the new CSM Codex will make CSMs worth taking.

They could do both.

As for what CSM need besides the stuff in the rumour dump: separate releases for all of the stuff currently stuck in the SC box, eg: Master of Possession, Greater Possessed, and Obliterators (preferably as a dual kit that makes Mutilators as well). Oh, and the spider thing too. No reason those should be stuck in that box only. A fully plastic Dreadclaw kit would be nice as well. Maybe then CSM players would stop asking for loyalist style drop pods, and just use our better ones.

ottokill wrote:
Do you guys think Harlies will get rolled into the next Eldar codex?

I personally hope not, but I'm sure a lot of folks here will advocate for it as a form of bloat reduction. I'd rather see their range expanded, and I think their Crusade content has the potential to be awesome.

It'd be nice if GW would get off the pot and refresh the Eldar line - it needs it. If I was still buying 40K, I could use some plastic rangers and an updated Avatar.

Unfortunately, GW's waited too long and I've turned to other creators for my model fix - including Eldar.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

As for what CSM need besides the stuff in the rumour dump: separate releases for all of the stuff currently stuck in the SC box, eg: Master of Possession, Greater Possessed, and Obliterators (preferably as a dual kit that makes Mutilators as well). Oh, and the spider thing too. No reason those should be stuck in that box only. A fully plastic Dreadclaw kit would be nice as well. Maybe then CSM players would stop asking for loyalist style drop pods, and just use our better ones.

Aren't they all mixed together on the same sprues? So they'd effectively need a redesign to separate them...

PenitentJake wrote:

ottokill wrote:
Do you guys think Harlies will get rolled into the next Eldar codex?

I personally hope not, but I'm sure a lot of folks here will advocate for it as a form of bloat reduction. I'd rather see their range expanded, and I think their Crusade content has the potential to be awesome.

GW doesn't seem to consolidate armies (with some outliers like Tempestus and Skitarii which shouldn't habe been on their own in the first place) so I don't think so. Imo Knights should be one Codex as well,, you could argue for Guard + Renegade Guard, too. But GW doesn't like that, I don't know if they think customers would be too stupid to understand Codizes featuring armies that aren't allowed to work together. Personally with what we're seeing right now I think the game would improve by consolidating some of the very small factions: Harlequins, Inquisition, Knights.
But GW's way is rather: if that roster is too small we'll have to throw some releases at it at some point.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Eldar need new pretty much everything that isn't a vehicle, TBH. Bikes are fine. Vehicles are fine - they're still some of the best kits in the game, amazingly, despite being like 20 years old now.

But everything on foot...ooph. I guess if you were really strapped you could keep the current plastic guardians and dire avengers, but that's really about it. Basically everything else needs to be redone (except obviously the very small amount of stuff they have redone, e.g. banshees).

As far as everything on foot, do you mean Wraith units as well?

I think the Dire Avengers would be fine if they hadn't nearly doubled the price by splitting them into boxes of 5. They're primitive by today's miniature standards, but there's nothing expressly wrong with them though. Vypers could also do with a refresh given what we've seen with the Venom and Starweaver/Voidweaver.

I'm surprised that Jetbikes are on that rumour list given how new they are compared to the rest of the Eldar roster. The current Jetbikes are great minis, IMO. No idea why they'd want to replace them. I really hope that turns out to be a Shining Spears plastic release.

Vyper could also do with additional hull weapon options. Perhaps not the flexibility we see with War Walkers, but additional ones all the same.

ottokill wrote:
Do you guys think Harlies will get rolled into the next Eldar codex?

Unlikely, the clowns have been doing okay in 9th but nowhere near the Admech / Dark Kin level of getting kneejerk nerfbatted (still a possible thing if they replace Wyches as the go to face stabbers)

And I concur with Doc regarding Vypers, an ancient and somewhat sturdy model, not sure about the weapons a Haywire Cannon would be nice but given the "abuse" Doom could permit its unlikely (under the no fun for Xenos rule)

That’s actually an interesting point which I’d not thought of before.

Craftworld Eldar Haven’t Had A New, Non-Unit Restricted Weapon Since 3rd Edition.

And even then, it was just changing the Lascannon to a Brightlance.

Even outside of that, there aren’t terribly many. D-Scythe, Flyer and Wraithknight weapons that all spring to mind.

For shame! And I genuinely mean that.

3rd ed can also make an argument for the Starcannon replacing the Plasma Cannon (well, Heavy Plasma Gun), given they have operated in different ways since the change (specified shot count for Starcannon vs. Blast for Plasma Cannon).

That’s a fair point. I’d forgotten about that change.

Even so, their general purpose heavy weapons still need some new variety.

Don't forget too that the scatter laser used to act as a targeting weapon for other weapons in 7th edition, giving a +1 to hit if that weapon hit first (or something like that, don't recall exactly)

Eldars will get a full infantry refresh (except banshees ofc) without question. All aspect warriors and guardians.

As a centerpiece model it's hard to predict, i hope it's not just the Avatar, but you can't have a big centerpiece with a tiny Eldar character (unless you go the way of the Triumph), so i'd bet on a wraithknight/war walker refresh with a character-model (kinda like morvenn vahl/paragons).

Storywise, i'd like the Eldar storyline to stop being centered on the road to decline, but rather on newfound growth, and the Ynnari to simply become part of the Eldar codex with their own rules and stratagems, instead of a supplement.

Edit: Eurrrghhh ignore me I need more sleep.

Crispy78 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

As for what CSM need besides the stuff in the rumour dump: separate releases for all of the stuff currently stuck in the SC box, eg: Master of Possession, Greater Possessed, and Obliterators (preferably as a dual kit that makes Mutilators as well). Oh, and the spider thing too. No reason those should be stuck in that box only. A fully plastic Dreadclaw kit would be nice as well. Maybe then CSM players would stop asking for loyalist style drop pods, and just use our better ones.

Aren't they all mixed together on the same sprues? So they'd effectively need a redesign to separate them...

Ummm.....yeah? So they redesign them. The CSM kit isn't the ETB models from the same box either, because they redesigned them. They can do the same for those models.

They should do a 3-pack of Oblits that also make Mutilators. And a separate Venomcrawler would be fantastic.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
Here's hoping that the new CSM codex will have enough non-CSM variety to allow a Lost and Damned list. Maybe even give an option to connect with an Astra Militarum detachment, the way GSC do.

I wouldn't expect traitor guard in the CSM book. They have been trying to push the Chaos Marines part, trying to cut back on cultist spam.

Flip side is that the thus far very reliable rumor dump has indicated that the new CSM codex will have a lot of non-CSM updates to it, including a new cultist kit (Blackstone Fortress style), new Renegade Guard (Blackstone fortress style), human/non-astartes mutants, human/non-astartes possessed mortals, cultist/traitor guard/possessed characters and bodyguard units, etc.


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Siegfriedfr wrote:
Eldars will get a full infantry refresh (except banshees ofc) without question. All aspect warriors and guardians.

Reliable rumor dump indicates this is probably not the case. It says Eldar will receive a large but incomplete refresh of their model range in plastic. I would expect to see 1 or 2 infantry units (potentially one of the aspect warriors) not get new kits.