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How do!

So with the Age of Darkness finally upon us, I fancied a chitchat thread where we predict/Wishlist FW kit plasticification.

We of course know a few, so let’s avoid those as that wouldn’t be a prediction.

I reckon Deimos Rhino variants (Predator etc) is pretty much a given. They’d be crazy not to.

Outside of that? I’m not expecting Super Heavies myself, at least not straight away.

I do expect, in due course, we’ll get some plastic Custodes vehicles. Not only are they visually stunning, but much needed in 40K. Yes Custards did just get their Codex, but Heresy era vehicles can always be added in an expansion book as a stop gap if needs be.

But what about you? And remember, not just Astartes vehicles!

I need drop pods asap. And the inevitable Leviathan melee upgrade sprue. Sigh!

Honestly for year one? Just Legion stuff. I'd be happy to see things like Chimera chassis vehicles make their way into Cults/Militia but I'd be genuinely surprised to see any non-Legion kits make the jump to plastic at this stage.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I need drop pods asap. And the inevitable Leviathan melee upgrade sprue. Sigh!

Apologies if this sounds snarky, as it’s not my intent. But they did!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/legiones-astartes-drop-pod-gw-2022

Went up renamed on Saturday.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I need drop pods asap. And the inevitable Leviathan melee upgrade sprue. Sigh!

Apologies if this sounds snarky, as it’s not my intent. But they did!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/legiones-astartes-drop-pod-gw-2022

Went up renamed on Saturday.

They possibly meant Dreadnought Drop Pods, which have my vote (along with Assault Claws and Termites!)

I'd give GW my firstborn child for a plastic Basilisk or Medusa.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I need drop pods asap. And the inevitable Leviathan melee upgrade sprue. Sigh!

Apologies if this sounds snarky, as it’s not my intent. But they did!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/legiones-astartes-drop-pod-gw-2022

Went up renamed on Saturday.

They possibly meant Dreadnought Drop Pods, which have my vote (along with Assault Claws and Termites!)

Correct. I need a Leviathan delivery system. Running up the board to punch stuff is not efficient.

Battle Automata.
Solar Auxilia.

A more generic "Imperial Army" kit, seeing as how Cadians are going to become the "Cadian Shock Troop" unit entry.

I'm expecting well see a despoiler/assault squad combo kit sooner or later

Honestly at this point i dont know what GW could pull out. I expected the plastic sicaran, but GW even releasing plastic laviathen kinda took me by surprise. At this point i think anything is possible to make.

If i had to make my guess on what is going to come, in order of likely hood, excluding upgrade bits, my guess on what we will see will be:

Jet bikes
Fire raptor
Dread drop pod
Doreto dread
Thunderhawk
Fell glaive/blade
Plastic Solar ?
Plastic tall boy knights

Then way down there, but still 100% in the ballpark of posibilities, warhound titan.

If i live to see a plastic 32mm scale titan i will loose my gak.

Jet Bikes seem reasonably likely. although be perpared for 40k rules for them following by much umm.. debate online

BrianDavion wrote:
Jet Bikes seem reasonably likely. although be perpared for 40k rules for them following by much umm.. debate online

Eh i would not really care, the 30k jetbikes looked way cooler then the 40k ones from the custodes and 40k lore about what was and was not lost during the scouring is no longer relevent and lore for 40k only exists until it does not for pushing more products. i dont really care what htey do in 40k.

Kanluwen wrote:Battle Automata.

I'd never recover financially from plastic Mechanicum kits.

Backspacehacker wrote:If i live to see a plastic 32mm scale titan i will loose my gak.

I would buy three.

Four if they make them do firing noises too.

Of if GW had half a brain, they could make the titans in plastic and drop their price point by minimum 30% and they would kill the recast market. Most titans out there are recasts anyway, because FW massivly overcharges for resin casts using molds they never bother to update/fix so 9/10 times recast molds are better.

Thunderhawk is the dream.

Realistically breacher squads, a heresy iconic unit that could be just an upgrade spure like the weapon packs.

Maybe jump pack destroyers.

Jet bikes make sense.

When the non astartes books come out I doubt we’ll see new model kits, but hope some existing plastic kits get rules. Both the custodies and mechanicum have 40k plastics that didn’t have rules in first edition.
And a proper imperial army list using all the guard toys would be nice.

 Tamereth wrote:
Thunderhawk is the dream.

Realistically breacher squads, a heresy iconic unit that could be just an upgrade spure like the weapon packs.

Maybe jump pack destroyers.

Jet bikes make sense.

When the non astartes books come out I doubt we’ll see new model kits, but hope some existing plastic kits get rules. Both the custodies and mechanicum have 40k plastics that didn’t have rules in first edition.
And a proper imperial army list using all the guard toys would be nice.

I mean to be honest, putting out plastic versions of the non astarteas kits would be just as good as a new kit considering how bad some of those old molds are, FW like never replaces their molds so they just become horrible.

My prediction - we will get plastic Solar Auxilia in 1-2 years.

I’d be very interested in plastic Solar Auxilia. Not just for Heresy, but because they’re so cool I want to use them for all sorts of games, particularly as Men At Arms for a Rogue Trader.

Yep I think that one would be super popular. I know a couple of people have mentioned to me they would like an army of them, but the Fw resin prices for one would match a family holiday (or two).

It really looks like HH is being set up as a ‘main’ system in between the prominence on the GW site and reboxings in HH boxes (the Mk3 and mk4 armour sets, although I did snort a bit at the scout re-box). That suggests to me plastic is the way and we are going to see more of it, assuming the Age of Darkness sales are good. The barrier to 30k, which were prices that put off even seasoned 40k collectors, is definitely being lowered.

Not sure if this is known yet, or if it was in 30k before (I'm just getting into it now) but Scouts are listed as a "New Release" for 30k even though it's just the standard kit from 40k.

And with the rumor now that we are getting a NEW plastic LR for HH, anything is now on the table for coming in plastic, even plastic warhounds i could see a thing.

Seconded on the plastic Thunderhawk. Don't know if I'd ever buy one, but I'd love to play against them in my 30k games.

Breacher upgrade seems like a likely next step. Easy to do, don't need a full kit, and very popular.

As an IMC player, I'd love to get a non-tank chassis that I can use for conversions. But considering we don't even have their codex on the official timeline (hold-over PDF for the foreseeable future), I won't hold my breath.

Oh i would buy a thunderhawk in a heart beat, not because i wanna use it, simply because why the hell not.

That said all this really depends on 1 very important thing, is GW going to understand that they cant price the plastic versions of FW products at FW prices.
Unless the plastic versions of FW models are about 30% cheaper then the current FW prices, its not worth it.

Plastic Mastodon, Thunderhawk, Ordinatus & Titans are almost an instabuy for me.


All the Mechanicum robots, SOS Aquisitor, maybe the Custodes stuff.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


But what about you? And remember, not just Astartes vehicles!

I'd be surprised if you saw plastic anything other than Astartes kits in the first 1-2 years of HH2.0s run. Plastic astartes kits have a much greater and more obvious utility and cost efficiency to GW, as they can sell those kits to the vast majority of Horus Heresy players (I'd guess 75-80% of the games playerbase is playing at least one of 18 flavors of marine), as well as having obvious 40k applicability (where something like a third to half of the playerbase is some flavor of marine) if they have crossover rules. The remaining factions are all niche, making up a fraction of the remaining 20-25% of the HH playerbase and a small share of the 40k playerbase. GW will make more money selling plastic marine kits in a month than it will selling plastic Mechanicum/Solar Auxilia/Custodes kits in an entire year, and they are going to milk that cow for all that its lowest hanging fruit are worth before they invest the time, money, and resources into developing plastics for other factions. Right now marines are basically going to drive the "growth" phase of the game where GW establishes a solid and well-entrenched long-lasting playerbase of the game. Plastics for the other factions will come after that growth phase tapers off and the game enters the "expansion" phase where GW already has the core playerbase in place, but wants to attract those players that weren't interested in marines, or wants to capture the hobby dollars of those marine players who want to dip their toe into a second faction, etc. The growth phase is where GW is going to see the largest returns relative to its investment into the system, the expansion phase is where the size of the returns relative to the cost investment declines and levels off/stabilizes into consistent long-term returns. Its the difference between a "start up" and a "mature business", basically. So during that growth phase, expect anything with the widest and broadest popular appeal to the largest potential customer base first, and only once they run out of options for those products do you start to get into the more esoteric and weird stuff.

Kits like the Rampager squad and Ashen Circle need to get updates.

I'd be surprised if we didn't see the Sicaran variants ported to plastic.

Alternate builds for the Kratos are probably another safe bet.

I could see a small handfull of new custodes stuff, mostly because GW can sell them for 40k and 30k both. to that my view is gonna be the big question "is this something GW can work into 40k as well?"

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


But what about you? And remember, not just Astartes vehicles!

I'd be surprised if you saw plastic anything other than Astartes kits in the first 1-2 years of HH2.0s run. Plastic astartes kits have a much greater and more obvious utility and cost efficiency to GW, as they can sell those kits to the vast majority of Horus Heresy players (I'd guess 75-80% of the games playerbase is playing at least one of 18 flavors of marine), as well as having obvious 40k applicability (where something like a third to half of the playerbase is some flavor of marine) if they have crossover rules. The remaining factions are all niche, making up a fraction of the remaining 20-25% of the HH playerbase and a small share of the 40k playerbase. GW will make more money selling plastic marine kits in a month than it will selling plastic Mechanicum/Solar Auxilia/Custodes kits in an entire year, and they are going to milk that cow for all that its lowest hanging fruit are worth before they invest the time, money, and resources into developing plastics for other factions. Right now marines are basically going to drive the "growth" phase of the game where GW establishes a solid and well-entrenched long-lasting playerbase of the game. Plastics for the other factions will come after that growth phase tapers off and the game enters the "expansion" phase where GW already has the core playerbase in place, but wants to attract those players that weren't interested in marines, or wants to capture the hobby dollars of those marine players who want to dip their toe into a second faction, etc. The growth phase is where GW is going to see the largest returns relative to its investment into the system, the expansion phase is where the size of the returns relative to the cost investment declines and levels off/stabilizes into consistent long-term returns. Its the difference between a "start up" and a "mature business", basically. So during that growth phase, expect anything with the widest and broadest popular appeal to the largest potential customer base first, and only once they run out of options for those products do you start to get into the more esoteric and weird stuff.

I don't know if you play HH much, but there are a TON of Mechanicum armies out there of all three flavours, Taghmata, Ordo Reductor and Legio Cybernetica. Indentured Knights are also a big thing in HH. Most people I know have a marine army and 'something else' as after a while your army is just done.
I 100% agree with you on the marines are the best bet because of course they are, its 18 marine armies. That is a no brainer. Even though most people in my area started off with marines (hell even I did Fists for the win baby!) almost everyone had some kind of secondary non marine army just because you can only paint up so many marines before you start to loose your mind.

The Mechanicum in plastic are also a no brainer, have 40k rules and its win win for GW. I just hope they keep the 'Adeptus Mechanicus' models out of 30k. I think they look horrible and are one of GW's worst line personally. Which is kinda odd because I really dig the 50's B sci-fi movie look in general but man those models just look ass.

As for wishlisting, well plastic Mechanicum would be awesome. I love resin personally, I love working with it. I love the detail you can get out of it. A lot of the models have deep deep undercuts which unless GW breaks out the slide core molds those models as is are just never going to happen. I hope that the Ordo Reductor keeps its ability to take any FW tank as that was a great way of getting older FW super heavies into a Mechanicum army.

I would love to see plastic Auxiliary along with their vehicles. Same with a generic army list so you can make any army you want. But with nu-GW's 'no model no rules' gak I don't see that happening sadly. But one can hope.

The best part of all this is the bandwangon jumpers who go all into HH then dump it in a few months, hopefully the secondary market is flooded with cheap HH models people are trying to unload.

Despoilers/Assault Marines are badly needed. The amount of posts from newcomers asking how they can make them for World Eaters and Blood Angels out of the new boxset is very high and the answers people are having to give isn't pleasing.

Jetbikes are an obvious one. Before or after the Vindicators?

I don't think Breachers will happen until plastic MK2 is out but will still be compatible with MK6.

I bet once most of the generic Legion stuff is out of the way we'll see the earlier Legion specific stuff (Rampagers, Reavers, Deathshroud) that are suffering from obvious height problems get a plastic or even resin resculpt.

I don't think we'll get plastic Solar Auxilia for a long time and Mechanicum before then. The detail lost between Krieg resin and plastics was pretty high and Solar Auxilia are even more finely detailed. Maybe the Dracosan or Malcador could go plastic (particularly as all the branches of the Army use it) but it seems unlikely they'd release a vehicle without infantry. I bet we'd see a plastic kit for a previously unseen Army regiment first, probably along with rules for the troops between Solar Auxilia and Militia on the competency scale.

Mars-pattern Leman Russ' might happen if there's a new Krieg wave for 40k.

Mechanicum will probably happen at some point but I wouldn't expect it for a few years until most of the Legion stuff is out of the way and paying back it's moulds.