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Afternoon.

Figured we'd flip the topic that the Mad Doc kicked off yesterday - what units are there in 40k where you like the rules/datasheet, but aren't so keen on the model that GW does for them?

All I'll ask is that you don't have a go at the sculptor - or each other, I guess - when discussing this.

For a dose of low-hanging fruit, the Suppressors are a silly concept (and therefore ended up being silly sculpts, even before you factor in the tacti"cool" elements of Primaris design), but their rules seem quite handy. Just a shame the sculpts put me off using the unit - of even buying them.

Any of the Primaris Guys with flight stands. They look a bit goofy, but that is subjective. Those flight stands, though, are a major pain. I like the rules for them (Suppressors and Inceptors), but I find myself not taking them to games due to those stands.

Beast of Nurgle. I think they never really captured what the fluff (and rules) say about that thing, every iteration looks extremely derpy.

New Typhus.

Some of the new beast Snagga models don't speak to me, especially the Dok boss. Too many bionics and those monowheels on grots and squigs look dumb and creepy.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Beast of Nurgle. I think they never really captured what the fluff (and rules) say about that thing, every iteration looks extremely derpy.

Um, I think you need to re-read the background then. Beasts of Nurgle are gigantic daemonic puppies that are too dumb to understand the fact they are highly poisonous. The current model fits them perfectly.

Daemonettes/a lot of the Slaanesh Daemons. I get that 40k is now targeting teenagers and has to be less adult, but the Diazettes will never be topped and the modern Keeper, whilst a gorgeous model, has very little tempting about it. I use 3rd party models and Diazettes for my Slaanesh army.

All that said, given the constraints of not being overtly sexual, I appreciate the direction the model team has taken. Glutos and the Infernal Enrapturess, especially, are good takes on Slaanesh's aspects other than sex, as is the Contorted Epitome.

The new Keepers, too, are fantastic models. Just not what I would envision.

 Dysartes wrote:
Afternoon.

Figured we'd flip the topic that the Mad Doc kicked off yesterday - what units are there in 40k where you like the rules/datasheet, but aren't so keen on the model that GW does for them?

All I'll ask is that you don't have a go at the sculptor - or each other, I guess - when discussing this.

For a dose of low-hanging fruit, the Suppressors are a silly concept (and therefore ended up being silly sculpts, even before you factor in the tacti"cool" elements of Primaris design), but their rules seem quite handy. Just a shame the sculpts put me off using the unit - of even buying them.

Dreadknights. 0% chance I don't print an add-on mod to the GW sculpt.

Flash Gitz and Badrukk: I hate comic relief orks and cartoonish and those models look extremely silly. The concept is cool though so I took some nobz, put them on 40mm bases and converted their kombi weapons in order to make them meaner.

Models I will never own or use - whatever the rules with the current models

Dreadknights
Stormtalon
Stormraven
Raven Strike Fighter
Crisis Battlesuits
Stormsurge
Taurox
Centurions

 Mr Morden wrote:
Models I will never own or use - whatever the rules with the current models

Dreadknights
Stormtalon
Stormraven
Raven Strike Fighter
Crisis Battlesuits
Stormsurge
Taurox
Centurions

Really, crisis battlesuits? I'll admit they're not the greatest models out there, but I didn't think they were that ugly.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Beast of Nurgle. I think they never really captured what the fluff (and rules) say about that thing, every iteration looks extremely derpy.

Um, I think you need to re-read the background then. Beasts of Nurgle are gigantic daemonic puppies that are too dumb to understand the fact they are highly poisonous. The current model fits them perfectly.

It's certainly subjective, but because of the puppy aspect I'm thinking of something more doglike probably. Either way it's just a pretty ugly model (as were all its predecessors)

 Mr Morden wrote:
Taurox

Great example. The Taurox is so offensive to my eyes that I've never even bothered comparing it to Chimeras to see which is better rules wise.

One model springs to mind immediately....

Pyrovores!!

Pretty good in game (finally!!!)

Awful derpy model (and its finecast too)

The kill rig.

A psyker battletank with decent melee to fit in with mechanize lists? Awesome!

But I really do not like the model, the squig is somewhat fine, but the rig itself just looks like they just put a squig in front of a random pile of scrap that somehow didn't fall appart.

Much of the Drukhari range.
I fine with the rules for practically everything in the codex.
I could very easily enjoy running a diverse Drukhari force.....

Except I really don't like (to the point of refusing to own them) the models for:
The Archon
The Succubus
The Humunculus
Lilith
The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Anything not listed is at least acceptable.
But it's pretty hard to make a general list out of what remains....

ccs wrote:

The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Well that is certainly a spicy take...

ccs wrote:
Much of the Drukhari range.
I fine with the rules for practically everything in the codex.
I could very easily enjoy running a diverse Drukhari force.....

Except I really don't like (to the point of refusing to own them) the models for:
The Archon
The Succubus
The Humunculus
Lilith
The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Anything not listed is at least acceptable.
But it's pretty hard to make a general list out of what remains....

do you even play Drukhari with that list of models you don't want to own lol?

I dislike all the new Ork buggies and that stupid trailer being pulled by I guess some kind of squig. I dislike all the squig ridders as well.

I feel Kromlech would have done a much better job over all on al of the new Ork models dating back to the 8th edition Ork codex. New as of that book onward. The Deff Koptas are passable.

ccs wrote:
Much of the Drukhari range.
I fine with the rules for practically everything in the codex.
I could very easily enjoy running a diverse Drukhari force.....

Except I really don't like (to the point of refusing to own them) the models for:
The Archon
The Succubus
The Humunculus
Lilith
The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Anything not listed is at least acceptable.
But it's pretty hard to make a general list out of what remains....

Can I ask what you don't like about those models?

I'm just curious because that list encompasses a fairly wise range of aesthetics.

I've a squad of Thousand Sons converted from Epic knights because I couldn't stand the Egyptian theme when it first started getting pushed. And I'm probably going to trim parts off the ones I got out of the Hexfire boxed set when I finally get a chance to put them together.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

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ccs wrote:
Much of the Drukhari range.
I fine with the rules for practically everything in the codex.
I could very easily enjoy running a diverse Drukhari force.....

Except I really don't like (to the point of refusing to own them) the models for:
The Archon
The Succubus
The Humunculus
Lilith
The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Anything not listed is at least acceptable.
But it's pretty hard to make a general list out of what remains....

do you even play Drukhari with that list of models you don't want to own lol?

Yes, I do.
Because the 8th & 9th ed Detachment system allows me to make a Heavy detachment. This means that I can simply run all pain engines - one of a very small handful of Drukhari models I DO like.
Well, nearly all, I still need a HQ elf.... Fortunately the old metal Archon, old metal Lilith, & current Drazzar are tolerable sculpts if I must put one of them on the table. So I have 1 of each.
The list is:
3x3 Talos (with gauntlet & liquefier + magnetized tails),
3x3 kitted out Cronos,
1 Venom
& 1 HQ elf (either riding in the venom or simply left in strat reserve - it's only real function is to make a legal list.).

Oh, & I own a metal Beastmaster (no beasts). His only function is to fill in the odd PL gap you sometimes get during a Crusades progression.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
the modern Keeper, whilst a gorgeous model, has very little tempting about it.

Speak for yourself, as a non-heterosexual man the modern Keeper models (including Shalaxi) are the most strangely attractive they've ever been.

The old Daemonette models were definitely better though no doubt.


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 Blackie wrote:
I hate comic relief orks

I'd have to wonder why you like orks at all then.

 vipoid wrote:

ccs wrote:
Much of the Drukhari range.
I fine with the rules for practically everything in the codex.
I could very easily enjoy running a diverse Drukhari force.....

Except I really don't like (to the point of refusing to own them) the models for:
The Archon
The Succubus
The Humunculus
Lilith
The named Humunculus
Warriors
Witches
Raiders
Wracks
Grotesque
Ravages
The guys on skyboards - whatever they're called

And I'm not too keen on the:
Bikers
The winged guys
While I don't really like the models, these at least aren't on the "Never buy"list....

Anything not listed is at least acceptable.
But it's pretty hard to make a general list out of what remains....

Can I ask what you don't like about those models?

I'm just curious because that list encompasses a fairly wise range of aesthetics.

It's pretty simple. aesthetics. I just don't like how they look. I think the original versions looked like crap & current versions have failed to rectify that. Infact? Current witches/Succubus/Lilith/Archon? These are downgrades! Why would I spend $ on models that look worse than what I rejected 10/15/20+ years ago?
Two kits did improve some time back: Warriors (though I still don't like how they look) & the Talos/Cronos (it evolved from pure crap into a model I really like)

You think the current versions of DE look like crap? Mate, now you're just being contrarian for the sake of it and cannot take you seriously. The 2010 DE range is generally regarded as one of the best glow ups in GW history.

Shock horror people having differing opinions on subjective matter...The horror! The sheer horror of such a thought!

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 Blackie wrote:
I hate comic relief orks

I'd have to wonder why you like orks at all then.

Well, I hate 2nd edition orks. After that the comic relief part was just a possible feature, not the standard way to portray them. In fact it's the wave of new ork releases in 3rd that got me into 40k, which completely changed their aesthetics. In 8th and 9th it looks like we're heading back to silly orks, that's why I haven't bought anything since the release of Meganobz, Nobz, Stormboyz and the Deff dread in 7th.

I know that a lot of people who don't like orks, love comic relief orks instead .

Primaris aggressors with their oven gloves
Primaris inceptors with their armour over armour look
Every Primaris (seeing a theme?) tank which has 6 heavy stubbers bolted on for no reason
The nurgle bong, sorry I mean the Miasmic-Malignifier
Mortarian himself with his moth wings rather than the older look with bat wings
Kastelan Robots with their domed heads and too smooth looking features compared tot he rest of the ad mech range

 vipoid wrote:
Can I ask what you don't like about those models?

I'm just curious because that list encompasses a fairly wise range of aesthetics.

Well, I kind of get him - the drukhari rules look great and their vehicles and pain engines are totally rad. Pale, flimsy goth elves in leather gear though? Not my taste at all.

Necron Monolith.

Yes I know it’s an expensive piece of kit, but man it’s a fantastic model to build. Never mind it looks ace when assembled (and it absolutely does) but it breaks down into really nice sub-assemblies for paining, and can even (just about) be kept in sub-assemblies once painted for greater easer of transportation.

But the rules….jeepers. Why LoW? Why no native resistance to big whacking weapons? I appreciate it’s been upgunned somewhat, especially now we can give it 4 AT weapons. For such an iconic piece of Necron Kit, previously known as something tricky to take out? It’s just not up to snuff these days. Especially when there’s no reason in-universe it wouldn’t have the same quantum armour stuff smaller Necron vehicles do.

 Jidmah wrote:
The kill rig.

A psyker battletank with decent melee to fit in with mechanize lists? Awesome!

But I really do not like the model, the squig is somewhat fine, but the rig itself just looks like they just put a squig in front of a random pile of scrap that somehow didn't fall appart.

Yeah, I'm with you here. I feel like the proportions are off as the squig looks far too small to pull all of that crap. The designer should have just stopped to put more and more stuff on that rig, a simple Harpoon hatch or Psyker throne would have been enough.
Or just make it a proper huge Squiggoth to carry all the stuff instead.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Necron Monolith.

Yes I know it’s an expensive piece of kit, but man it’s a fantastic model to build. Never mind it looks ace when assembled (and it absolutely does) but it breaks down into really nice sub-assemblies for paining, and can even (just about) be kept in sub-assemblies once painted for greater easer of transportation.

But the rules….jeepers. Why LoW? Why no native resistance to big whacking weapons? I appreciate it’s been upgunned somewhat, especially now we can give it 4 AT weapons. For such an iconic piece of Necron Kit, previously known as something tricky to take out? It’s just not up to snuff these days. Especially when there’s no reason in-universe it wouldn’t have the same quantum armour stuff smaller Necron vehicles do.

...are you in the right thread, Doc?