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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/22/arks-of-omen-grand-tournament-pack-a-new-detachment-for-the-next-season-of-warhammer-40000/


Well. Most of army building limits going very relaxed though my all dreadnought army went from illegal but fixable with more plastic to flat out gone but ah well.

Well, this new detachment and army building system just seems great too me, as well as free strategic reserves and allies. Just great. Also, making 0-1 datasheets get an extra is fun too. I can definitely see me making a chapter master and two captain marine lists (3 wolflords on thunderwolf!!)

I am not convinced that new detachment system will not cause a host of problems down the line, but given this is probably the last of these for 9th ed they'll never get fixed.

Good that GC's gain a bit more ability to include Brood Brothers effectively.

I like the fact you get 3 extra elite slots for character. The boss's retinue just hired another couple of mekboyz.

 The Phazer wrote:
I am not convinced that new detachment system will not cause a host of problems down the line, but given this is probably the last of these for 9th ed they'll never get fixed.

Good that GC's gain a bit more ability to include Brood Brothers effectively.

Of course odds are 10e is similar detachment system.

A lot to unpack there...

This new uber detachment looks cool and free ally detachment is nifty even if the detachment restriction does suck.
Nice to see patching for gaky secondary from books that came out 6 months ago. If only those were free too

I suppose dissolving already lax army composition restrictions isn't going to do as much damage as it might otherwise do, but it's certainly not good for the game. No better time than now, though. They can drive 9th ed into the ground for good and let people ride it out for a couple of months before they preview the 10th ed rules that look like a right proper fix next to the current train wreck.

Good to see GW working like clockwork.

On a practical level (for people with reasonable collections, not 10k points of everything), I'm struggling to find a difference between this and 'eh, take whatever.'

Up to 4 HQ choices, 6 of any particular slot and and extra slots for the already questionable elite character role. That doesn't seem like much of a restriction (or coherent army list at all). Even before free reserves or CP-free allies.

Pay to Bypass the 0-1 restriction sounds like a joke. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised by a sudden reversal from GW.

WarCom wrote:Free stuff is a big theme in this matched play season.

Oh good. I want to feel threatened by a return of 7th edition style army building.

It saves cp from those 3+ compulsory fa/elite/hs det's.

Gw can't decide do they want more or less cp

We know so little about the battle brothers detachment process its far too early to comment regards whether it's just like 7th again. They might still break army rules, they might have other limitations. Of the examples given in the article, votann is the only one that doesn't currently exist anyway.

At which point the free style detachment is the only thing and something a lot of people work around anyway.

"How do we make the FOC even more pointless?"
"Just make it huge, free, and give you tons of slots, and you can pick what your compulsories are."
"That works. Or doesn't. Whatever."
"Three hour lunch?"
"Three hour lunch!"

So, 1 HQ + 3 of "whatever", and then load up on "whatever else you want"?

Yeah, I think I'll stick with something with an actual FOC, that can be modified, but only with further restrictions. Much more interesting IMO.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"How do we make the FOC even more pointless?"
"Just make it huge, free, and give you tons of slots, and you can pick what your compulsories are."
"That works. Or doesn't. Whatever."
"Three hour lunch?"
"Three hour lunch!"

Sells out on day 1.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Sells out on day 1.

"Welcome to Whose 40k is it anyway, where the FOC is made up and the points don't matter!"

And secondaries, presumably, will remain rather primary.

I think GW just realized the old FOC and detachment system was just not fitting with the way the game is now.

Personally excited to test this out, especially with elite Characters getting their own slot.

I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

Did I miss where it says that it lifts the Rule of Three restriction?

This stuff is basically designed for Matched Play. Y'know, that spot where everything is totes balanced?

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

People already do that anyway...

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

Which is different to now... how exactly? This is the competitive rules packet, fluff needn't apply. Although that itself is an issue.

By and large think this looks good.

As an Ork player I'm glad I can still take 2 Warbosses using the Heroic Support stratagem and actually save 1 CP on taking an additional patrol to facilitate.

My biggest concern is the Battle Brothers thing.
It depends how flexible and extensive the list is.

It can just become a take the good stuff fest that without costs and balances can lead to some broken armies.

But I'm approaching this from a tournament perspective.

You could do this before but with costs attached such as loss of CP and or faction secondaries.

But if they implement that correctly it could be an exciting season.

Dudeface wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

Which is different to now... how exactly? This is the competitive rules packet, fluff needn't apply. Although that itself is an issue.

Competive rule pack in noncompetive game

Against all better judgement, I like this detachment. Obviously mandatory troops are good for game balance, but sometimes you just want to build an army a certain way.

SamusDrake wrote:
Against all better judgement, I like this detachment. Obviously mandatory troops are good for game balance, but sometimes you just want to build an army a certain way.

You say that's obvious, but I'm not seeing it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Sells out on day 1.

"Welcome to Whose 40k is it anyway, where the FOC is made up and the points don't matter!"

And secondaries, presumably, will remain rather primary.

"If it's so bad, why is 40k more popular than ever?!"

Lammia wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

People already do that anyway...

Indeed, I was sort of hoping we'd see a move *away* from it.

All units must be from the same faction[and that faction cannot be Imperium, Chaos, Aeldari, or Tyranid].

This Detachment is incredibly flexible and will work for all factions, though there will be a couple of specific additional rules to it to allow for unusual armies like Drukhari and DarkAngels forces, that would previously have usually been made of multiple smaller detachments.

With this in mind, and looking at some of the other rules in the preview, I have one serious question:
????????

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

Well, considering that the old FOC was based off Space Marines and their Codex Astartes layout I found it weird that the fluff only cared about Space Marines and no one else; not even the Space Marines who didn't follow the Codex like Deathwing and Ravenwing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"How do we make the FOC even more pointless?"
"Just make it huge, free, and give you tons of slots, and you can pick what your compulsories are."
"That works. Or doesn't. Whatever."
"Three hour lunch?"
"Three hour lunch!"

I mean, you're not wrong, but the current way it's done punishes too many potential armies. Plus the extra slots for Elite characters is the smartest thing I've seen GW do in the last few months.

 Nazrak wrote:

Lammia wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

People already do that anyway...

Indeed, I was sort of hoping we'd see a move *away* from it.

We move away from that by having real choices about what to spend points on.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise but it seems like this all-but-total jettisoning of any army composition restrictions will just mean everyone crams as many of the most 'optimal' units possible into their list and the fluff goes down the toilet. Snore.

Well, considering that the old FOC was based off Space Marines and their Codex Astartes layout I found it weird that the fluff only cared about Space Marines and no one else; not even the Space Marines who didn't follow the Codex like Deathwing and Ravenwing.

I don't know if they've changed it in the last few years but my understanding was always that the Dark Angels largely *do* follow the Codex, they were just the chapter with enough Terminator armour for the whole 1st Co. to have their own suit. Then, based on people not paying attention, people decided this meant "the entire first company always turns up en masse so I need to be able to field an all Terminator army with no drawbacks", similar to how we ended up with "All White Scars must be on bikes"