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Spoletta wrote:
"Saved" is a big word for what happened.

The Baal system was pretty much consumed and almost all Blood Angels (first founding and successors) devoured.

Casualties were about half, and were instantly replaced by Primaris when Bob showed up at the end and chased away the remnant fleet in space.

One of moons was basically depopulated, the other was fine. Given that's a small, irradiated scavenger population, it fits into the 'so what?' category of imperial losses.

Spoletta wrote:
"Saved" is a big word for what happened.

The Baal system was pretty much consumed and almost all Blood Angels (first founding and successors) devoured.

Not that it would set up dropping the old BA miniatures once they get a bit of a BT style update.

Bob also encouraged Dante to remake Baal into somewhere worth living rather than an irradiated hellscape to breed recruits, so really it's a net positive for the Imperium longterm.

Kind of like blowing up Cadia resulting in Bob and Primaris.

If by remake, you mean Bobby wanted Dante to turn it into Terra/Maccragge of the northern half of the galaxy.

So, regarding the Arks of Omen detachment, GW promised: "a couple of specific additional rules to it to allow for unusual armies like Drukhari and Dark Angels forces". Do you think they will release these rules once books hit the stores?

I'd like to run some "mixed" detachments (Kabal + Coven, for example), so it'd be nice to know if it's possible/what can be done to let all units in the detachment benefit from their Obsessions.

 SarisKhan wrote:
So, regarding the Arks of Omen detachment, GW promised: "a couple of specific additional rules to it to allow for unusual armies like Drukhari and Dark Angels forces". Do you think they will release these rules once books hit the stores?

I'd like to run some "mixed" detachments (Kabal + Coven, for example), so it'd be nice to know if it's possible/what can be done to let all units in the detachment benefit from their Obsessions.

You can make the ark of omen detachment realspace raid detachment though need to have all 3 of them for it.

And the tournament pack is already sold out online on the UK side of GW.com...

The Dark Angels apparently already had their rules added to the DA FAQ that day.

 Platuan4th wrote:
The Dark Angels apparently already had their rules added to the DA FAQ that day.

Oh well, so it's either 1 or 3 subfactions in one detachment, no middle ground (if I want Obsessions to work). Unless they eventually remember to release an FAQ for us too

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Voss wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Voss wrote:
It also seems to bizarrely downplay how stupidly big 40k ships are, especially Space Hulks. Its another lore mismatch, because we absolutely know there hallways big enough for tanks and large open spaces big enough for full scale battlefields.

A competent gaming group can come up with exceptions around that for different scenarios.

A 'competent gaming group' doesn't need to be sold special rules for... walls and doors. Regardless, if your justification is you can just make stuff up, then you don't need what GW is trying to sell you.



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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/05/arks-of-omen-abaddon-is-your-first-step-into-an-even-grimmer-even-darker-future/
Even more grimmer and darker! Exciting. After shearing the galaxy in half and doing... pretty much nothing with that, letting the necrons flatten the warp and driving people mad(der) and doing nothing with that, giving abaddon's forces some extra large boats seems.. underwhelming


"Join the Warmaster at the outset of his grand coup-de-grace" Shouldn't the coup-de-grace come at the end? And mean he's won?

Yeah, I don't think it's saying a lot that this is the "biggest event since Gathering Storm" when the vast majority of stuff from the last few narrative updates have led pretty much nowhere and were overall just forgettable. They hinted at Psychic Awakening being a big thing with everyone being affected by Psychic Events to an unprecedented level, Tyranids were meant to be getting more powerful, Magnus had plans of making an Psychic Empire, blackstone was something everyone was scrambling to get, Orks were gathering in utterly absurd numbers not seen before, and after all that in terms of actual significant stuff it was mostly..... Baal gets almost destroyed but is saved at the last minute because Guilliman and Primaris, and I guess the Ragnar / Ghazghull fight.

Psychic Awakening promised Gathering Storm 2, what we got was the old style where nothing really changes. It is what I disliked about the old style of 40k setting writing; they are a bunch of flashes for no significant movement in plot or development for characters/factions. It was just a big showy way to keep the setting like it was.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Doesn't matter if they move year though. The status quo situation will still remain with "I'll get you next time!" saturday cartoon.

Player wanted 40k be turned from setting to saturday cartoon, GW gave them that.

Pretty sure a warp rift tearing the galaxy in half qualifies as more than 'I'll get you next time!' not to mention important character/planet losses. If that's your Saturday cartoon then damm, they were a hell of a lot better than mine!

When I was a kid everyone watched Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop and Serial Experiments Lain.
I swear there were no psychological drawbacks.

Saturday cartoons don't change. It just stays same.

Players wanted saturday cartoon, GW delivered and gave them saturday cartoon

"I'll get you next time Guilliman!"

The GT book is already sold out everywhere. feth them and their FOMO gak, I will play Tempest and Open War for the next 6 months.

Something I don't think I've seen mentioned anywhere is the impact of the new Arks detachment on Incursion games – seems like at lower than 2K, having to take 3 of the same of at least one Battlefield Role is going to be quite restrictive, certainly for some armies.


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(Cue a load of people getting mad at the suggestion anyone might play anything other than 2K games…)

 Lord_Valorion wrote:
The GT book is already sold out everywhere. feth them and their FOMO gak, I will play Tempest and Open War for the next 6 months.

They're both 40k fun mode anyway, 100% my preference on game type.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love how the fluff talks up Haarken Worldclaimer.

I think he's the Chaos Lord that Abaddon makes the other Chaos Lords invite to their party so he doesn't feel left out.

It would be hilarious if they played his title completely straight and he was something like Abaddon's notary, going around and literally just claiming worlds, not conquering them. Imagine a pictscreen in the government palace lighting up, and it's just that frumpy guy who clears his throat, dons his chaos-star reading glasses, and rattles of a bunch of dark legalese and basically gives you a notice of eviction All hail Haarken, he who files in triplicate, crosser of all ts, keeper of deadlines, dotter of is, who lets the galaxy run red with ink and those little 'sign here' stickers.

I mean, even the text itself seems to suggest that the Warmaster's daily routine is a bureaucratic quagmire:

The first book, Arks of Omen: Abaddon, finds our eponymous villain and/or anti-hero mulling over his next strategic move following Haarken Worldclaimer’s reaving of the Nachmund Gauntlet. The Imperium Nihilus is barely holding together, despite desperate victories on Vigilus and Baal, and the Despoiler senses that it’s time to tighten his grip and seize ultimate control.

But where to strike next? Abaddon has survived the Long War by picking his fights with care, and so he spends his waking hours surrounded by charts and data-banks and dark prophets, his frustration and battle-lust growing by the day.

The Dark Mechanicum is so passé, give me the Dark Administratum Nurgle as the patron of the unchanging ledger and the tallyman of all things, Tzeentch the god of typos and miscalculation, Slaanesh who indulges in perfect records, and Khorne to collect his tithe in battle...

Logistics don't win wars, demon weapons win wars!




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Not Online!!! wrote:
Dark administratum actually sounds like ... not a half bad idea actually. For certain a corrupted part of the administratum would make for a nice background for a campaign or story.

On the face of it ''administrating chaos'' borders on slapstick, but you can obviously play it straight into a story about the banality of evil and uncommon forms of excess & corruption if you wish.

Grim dark Andor!

 laam999 wrote:

 Lord_Valorion wrote:
The GT book is already sold out everywhere. feth them and their FOMO gak, I will play Tempest and Open War for the next 6 months.

They're both 40k fun mode anyway, 100% my preference on game type.

I've not bought a single one of the GT mission packs since they started doing them, and I've still managed to have plenty of enjoyable games of 40K in that time (using the rulebook missions and the Open War / Tempest decks). I just wish more people would get on board with the idea there's more than just a single way to approach the game.


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That said, I do think it's quite weird what limited quantities the last two GT packs seem to have been produced in.

If nothing else, it is bonkers that they don't sell epubs at this point.

What, you're worried about piracy hitting sales of the product that you don't make any more and sold through?

So, did anyone else notice that the advertised boarding patrol box (abbadon, five legionaries, twenty cultists) is now over the point limit for a boarding patrol after the dataslate changes?
Haven’t checked the other boxes but it’s probably worth doing if you collect the forces depicted.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, did anyone else notice that the advertised boarding patrol box (abbadon, five legionaries, twenty cultists) is now over the point limit for a boarding patrol after the dataslate changes?
Haven’t checked the other boxes but it’s probably worth doing if you collect the forces depicted.

That box has actually 10 legionaries inside as the sprues can't be split up into 5's.

Even before the new points list those models are still well over the 500pt limit. It's weird that they included a second unit of cultists, I wonder if this box will have a different price to the space marine version.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, did anyone else notice that the advertised boarding patrol box (abbadon, five legionaries, twenty cultists) is now over the point limit for a boarding patrol after the dataslate changes?
Haven’t checked the other boxes but it’s probably worth doing if you collect the forces depicted.

Before the point changes they where 580 for CSM and 445 for SM plus wargear points.
Now they are 630 for CSM and 390 for SM plus wargear points.

Doesn't the article itself point out that the boarding patrol will have some lect over?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Doesn't the article itself point out that the boarding patrol will have some lect over?

It does:

GW wrote:* Out of the box this collection has a few too many points for a single Boarding Action force, but that just gives you more options to play around with.

We have yet to see the price and this is still not a good box for it on account of Abbadon being in it, but we should be happy for every opportunity to get more Cultists for less money. In my opinion anyway. The separate Cultist box is not what you should want for a horde unit, or one with weapon options for that matter. Shame GW cheaped out on it.

That's a really crappy chaos box. Why did they not give chaos marines a cool lord with lots of weapon options?

Because they don't make a "cool lord with lots of weapon options". They do make a limited amount of versions of chaos lords, some with minimal weapon options.

It makes sense though. Terminator armor isn't compatible with Thunder Hammers

tneva82 wrote:
Doesn't matter if they move year though. The status quo situation will still remain with "I'll get you next time!" saturday cartoon.

Player wanted 40k be turned from setting to saturday cartoon, GW gave them that.

Is it boomers who like to use this as a pejorative? Because to millennials this is not a problem at all.

 xttz wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, did anyone else notice that the advertised boarding patrol box (abbadon, five legionaries, twenty cultists) is now over the point limit for a boarding patrol after the dataslate changes?
Haven’t checked the other boxes but it’s probably worth doing if you collect the forces depicted.

That box has actually 10 legionaries inside as the sprues can't be split up into 5's.

Even before the new points list those models are still well over the 500pt limit. It's weird that they included a second unit of cultists, I wonder if this box will have a different price to the space marine version.

Huh, wasn’t aware of that; I went by the picture which only shows five legionaries. But if we assume the as-printed points and the picture as the intended goal, it actually works; 300 for yabbadabbadon, 90 for five marines, 100 for 20 cultists, leaving 10 points for some upgrades, or drop a cultist or two for more.
Then the balance slate went and made that non-viable.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Then the balance slate went and made that non-viable.

That's a good point. It's entirely possible that these boxes were produced before GW messed up the points (again).

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Is it boomers who like to use this as a pejorative? Because to millennials this is not a problem at all.

Speak for yourself. And don't pretend like you don't know what the term means, or why the comparison is used.

Plus you're using "Boomer" as a pejorative.

As a millenial I have never had trouble understanding the term. I half-disagree with its application to 40k, but the argument being made is clear and not unreasonable to make.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
As a millenial I have never had trouble understanding the term. I half-disagree with its application to 40k, but the argument being made is clear and not unreasonable to make.

In my opinion it's more apt to liken modern 40k narratives to super hero comics where named characters travel any amount of distance to meet up somewhere, test their wits and let their armies clash, then end with climactic fisticuffs that result in some kind of draw to preserve all characters for their next appearance.

Saturday morning cartoon villainy describes a subset of characters who stand out for inherently not suffering consequences if they lose in a fight and for whom no special action is required to preserve them for their next appearance. I put Necrons in this category, but they're not the only ones. For an example in Warhammer Fantasy, during the End Times Vlad got shanked by anyone and everyone because he handily returned to (un)life in no time due to his magic ring.

40k doesn't have to have the former and doesn't so consistently have to use the latter, but that's what the writers chose to go with.