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Separating out as I think it deserve a topic unto itself, saves folk having to Wade through non-Nid posts elsewhere.
First out the gate? The cinematic trailer. Not only pretty to look at in its own right, but seems to have teases of upcoming models.
Lots and lots to see. Possibly new Carnifex, or a smaller Screamer Killer. Also almost certainly a new Lictor (finally). Pick your own bones.
Then we have the Gaunt shown off. Lovely lithe redone Gaunt, hopefully without its head being split in two with a channel connecting to the lower jaw. Approximately the same size as existing, but a much better and more detailed sculpt. Lovely stuff.
Then? A couple of screen grabs for your delectation. Feel free to add more below.
Automatically Appended Next Post: We also have the data sheet for Termagants.
Still have their trip of ranged weapons. Mild disappoint at no mention of Stranglewebs or Spike Rifles, but we can’t have everything.
Data sheet is considerably simplified. But not, on second look, as simplified as AoS. The stats are still there, just in different places.
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They look great I hope they are still on the old base size though I think that would be unlikely. Rebasing the old models will be a head ache. Can’t wait to see the new hormagaunts
Gaunts without split heads
Psy leader
Screamer Killer (looks like a really great fusion of all 3 generations of tyranids)
Biovores means update in plastic (which hopefully includes pyrovores)
Lictor also appeared for a second so that I hope also gets a plastic update
Which would bring Tyranids to a 100% plastic army with possibly only one missing model - the Red Terror (this new psy unit might not be the Doom but it will likely be as close as counts as)
I do wonder if new gaunts means we might also see new hormagaunts and potentially new weapons for gaunts - eg the spike rifle could make a return!
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The reveal stream pitched this as “the single biggest update Tyranids have ever received”.
That’s….quite a bold claim, as they’ve had two or three redos over the many years I’ve been into 40k. Funnily enough, I consider the most significant also the most awful. Bad 3rd Ed, dirty 3rd Ed. In your bed, on your rug!
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: The reveal stream pitched this as “the single biggest update Tyranids have ever received”.
That’s….quite a bold claim, as they’ve had two or three redos over the many years I’ve been into 40k. Funnily enough, I consider the most significant also the most awful. Bad 3rd Ed, dirty 3rd Ed. In your bed, on your rug!
IIRC NIds are an army that has got gradual updates in waves, spread across multiple editions. The Gaunts are ancient but they got some new kits for other units this edition, while kits like Warriors are somewhere in the middle. Maybe they're getting a more extensive range refresh all at once.
Damn! That animation shows a new lictor, new carnifex, new hormagaunts, and new termigants. Plus that new Zoanthrope-esque thing with it's two floating brain buddies. This looks wild.
Don't bank on this. Undercuts means they cannot have those heads with tongues as one piece. There's alternatives like tongue being separate you glue to the base or maybe underjaw with tongue is separate piece but those open mouth with tongue out aren't one piece unless GW has figured something new with casting.
They aren't as they are just for lolz and to piss off customers. Technical limitations with plastics are a thing.
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Don't care for new gaunts. Looks like they tried to do 1 sculpt to accomodate both Termagants moving on 4 legs and Hormagaunts moving on 2 legs and made something that looks like it can't do either.
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They could do them like they do the warriors - the mouth part cut out. That works. I just don't want a join seam right down the freaking middle of the entire head!!
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lord_blackfang wrote: Don't care for new gaunts. Looks like they tried to do 1 sculpt to accomodate both Termagants moving on 4 legs and Hormagaunts moving on 2 legs and made something that looks like it can't do either.
Floating brain bug could be a Norn Emissary that was rumoured. I am sad that there are no Spike Rifles etc. in the Termas sheet but there probably was no space if they are dual with Hormas.
Shadow Walker wrote: Floating brain bug could be a Norn Emissary that was rumoured. I am sad that there are no Spike Rifles etc. in the Termas sheet but there probably was no space if they are dual with Hormas.
If they still have 3 weapon options I'm not sure they will share a box.
Shadow Walker wrote: Floating brain bug could be a Norn Emissary that was rumoured. I am sad that there are no Spike Rifles etc. in the Termas sheet but there probably was no space if they are dual with Hormas.
If they still have 3 weapon options I'm not sure they will share a box.
If not then there should be more weapon options for Termas but It was also written that Rippers are still included so they will take some sprue space too.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: The reveal stream pitched this as “the single biggest update Tyranids have ever received”.
That’s….quite a bold claim, as they’ve had two or three redos over the many years I’ve been into 40k. Funnily enough, I consider the most significant also the most awful. Bad 3rd Ed, dirty 3rd Ed. In your bed, on your rug!
IIRC NIds are an army that has got gradual updates in waves, spread across multiple editions. The Gaunts are ancient but they got some new kits for other units this edition, while kits like Warriors are somewhere in the middle. Maybe they're getting a more extensive range refresh all at once.
Yeah back in the 5th/6th era we'd get a number of kits that would fit into one month of releases, and that was it. There were several smaller updates of around 3-5 new things at a time from 2010-2014.
Using the Necron update for 9th as an indication, Tyranids are likely to get something like 14-16 new things in the space of a few months.
Edit: The other thread had an alternate Termagant datasheet posted, so there may be several versions.
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You're right that in some written fluff they're mentioned as running on all 4's but my mind went back to the visual representations of the past (dawn of war etc) where as far as I can recall, they stand on 2 legs:
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Middle limbs are indeed partly for walking/scrambling over terrain, and for slashing things. Even going right back to the days when they were Hunter Slayers
Not to be confused with the Grabber Slasher
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Middle limbs are indeed partly for walking/scrambling over terrain, and for slashing things. Even going right back to the days when they were Hunter Slayers
Not to be confused with the Grabber Slasher
Yeah this was my understanding, they're almost ancillary limbs just used for purchase etc, not that they gallop like a horse or a dog, because the limbs aren't shaped to do that hence why they likely never got animated that way for the games.
The original Gaunt (I forget its name) walked on 4 legs and carried its gun in its front 2
The redesigned plastic gaunts had a 2 dominant 2 supporting leg arrangement. You can see this on the models. They clearly run and put most weight on their hind 2 legs, but their mid-leg claws were visibly down to provide additional movement support.
The new Gaunts have had a beefy hind leg upgrade and are standing more proud on them with their middle limbs likely now more just for combat and movement aid rather than being part of how they move.
This does bring them in line with their depiction in games/some more modern art.
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Looks like there the new Genestealers are a lot closer to gaunts than they are now, with a gauntlike head and almost a sharkfin carapace.
Looks like what we are calling a Screamer Killer is a Cerebrofex.
Starter set rumours that seem to match this video:
-1 Norn-Maleceptrix (Big brain bug, lesser incarnation of the Norn-Queen, able to 'evolve' units. Semi-feminine???)
-1 Tyranid Primus (Big warrior, Two Devourers, Large sword, Claw-whip, boosts)
-1 Lictor (New form of Lictor)
-2 Magistraunt (Mix of Venomthropes and Pyrovore)
-20 Genestealers (New kit, Options for Armored plates and Acid-claws)
-1 Cerebrofex (Blend of Carnifex and Zoanthroap, Smaller Maleceptor)
-3 Genehunters (New type of Warriors, Shock Troopers, made with Space Marine Geneseeds they literally eat.)
This seems to be the most accurate list for the starter box:
- 'Two to three new types of Gaunts'
- New Hormagaunts
- Vemon Crawler type unit
- Screamer Killer Carnifex.
- New Lictors
- Winged Warrior
- New Biovores
- Plastic Spore Mines
- Norn Emissary - beefed up Zoanthrope
The same source also very closely matches the marine units which are obviously easier to identify.
The Tyranid list in the post above doesn't include gaunts, which seems like a fairly obvious omission with two kinds in the trailer.
Potentially GW could release Horm and Terma as the same gaunt box. So it might be that the listing is a new Hormagaunt box, but it includes both build options.
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