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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).

That is the case for every reptile and every bird and every invertebrate in the game already, and should stay so. But dire trolls, warpwolves and other warbeast that are going around bare-chested and are obviously mammalians? Well, we are able to tell, and they are all males. So some of those should go into the obviously female department now.

Same thing for our friend the pygs. They are all bare chested !

Or since pigs and wolves do not have prominent breasts unless they are feeding pigglets/puppies they (or you) ould just add a row of nipples onto the existing sculpts

Female figures without anything obvious to protect the children from

We addressed that earlier: warpwolves, satyrs and griffons have human torsos and arms. They don't even have chest hair, so no obvious reason for multiple mammaries, or indistinguishable ones.
As to farrow, there is a female farrow character coming out in the new book, so perhaps she will shed some light on how their bodies work.

I mean, yea, we are applying some science to a fantasy setting, but let's face it, you can only stretch "MAGIC" so far before it becomes "random crap that is convenient!"

The female Farrow, Helga, has two breasts and is heavily inspired by the Valkyrie Opera singer look,

Yea, that's what I took away from the concept pics I had seen too. Maybe extra under the armor, but it looks like PP is solidly sticking with their "human torso and arms + animal heads and legs" style with the Farrow as well.

If we really want to apply science then its the number of offspring from a single pregnancy that determines the number of nipples a given mammal will evolve. So the question is do warpwolves/farrow/other normally have one, possibly twins, offspring per "litter" or more?

Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.

That said some more realistic female armor would be nice at least; the individually sculpted boob-plates would be great for catching a strike at the seams and increasing an attacker's ability to penetrate the torso armor. Really you would want to continue the rise to a point in the center to deflect blows away from the torso.

One of the few good things about Jack the Giant Slayer was that the princess had a sensible breast plate.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.

Those people are the problem. Still working on the cure .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.

Those people are the problem. Still working on the cure .

But once you cure them a new generation will come along that you haven't!

Depend on how the cure works. If the cure is some deeper evolution on how society as a whole view women and the female body, actually the new generation may be better in that regard .

Perhaps we should move back on topic...

Please! I can think of exactly zero (0) times where this sort of tangent has improved any thread anywhere.

Wait, those Cephalix are a new faction? They look amazing o.O

Plastic?

Restic...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (the mold lines on Convergence and Cephalyx models have caused a lot of angst among even the most hardcore Privateer Press fans)

Damnit RiTides, you know better. They are PVC; "restic" isn't really a thing.

They are crappy, crappy PVC.

At least the designs are awesome and thematic. Though I hope Cephalyx players really like that monstrosity pose...

From what I've heard/seen they did Much better with the molds this time around than the convergence.

And yes, Restic is not a thing. They are plastic, just a crappy version of plastic.

PVC seems better able to do organic shapes that hard mechanical ones. How this plays out for the Cephalyx is unclear. PP has stated they had heard our concerns regarding the material (I found the second Cyriss jack wave better than the first), but time will tell.

 AduroT wrote:
And yes, Restic is not a thing. They are plastic, just a crappy version of plastic.

If people prefer to use the term "crappy plastic" rather than "restic" that's fine with me

Obviously, PVC is the correct term, as Wehrkind points out.

It's good that PP says they're listening, but the fact is, now they're charging almost the same prices on some kits in PVC that they would have charged in metal ($35 for a Convergence heavy jack, for example). That means one of the major benefits of PVC is dissipating- for the consumer, at least. PP is making more money per model in the material, but putting out subpar models... this is obviously pretty undesirable. I have several local friends who either started or planned to start Convergence and were completely put off by the quality of the casts, particularly on light jacks and infantry.

Their metal Jack sculpts were comparable in price, but smaller and didn't come with the parts to make all three, so they are cheaper in plastic still. Their plastic pricing is also weird as they seem to be working to make certain things certain standardized prices. Bane Thralls went down from $80+ to $55 when they went plastic, while Retribution Houseguard went Up from $45/50 to $55.

The price drop on IFP will make me cry when they come out in plastic. Tears of blood and anguish.

Rumours are at the moment that the Cyriss Battle Engine (The Transwhatever something projector) is currently being tested as PPs first model done using a new plastic on sprues. The exact details are hazy, only mentioned by a couple of people on various threads (don't know where they got their info from), but I'd be interested to see if that's the path the go down.

Personally, the PVC stuff hasn't bothered me much so far, but I might just be lucky (or have low standards ).

None of the Ret players at will buy the new infantry. They should have been half the price at the very least. We won't buy the mixed-media cavalry either, though that's more to do with PP chucking 10 whole pounds onto the English price.

That's what I don't like about Privateer Press. Warmahordes could have made them the greatest Wargaming company on earth, but they were more interested in selling Americans Vinyl miniatures that cost very bit as much as high-quality Polyeutherene resin models and sometimes an 8 point unit that costs more than entire skirmish games.

 AduroT wrote:
Their metal Jack sculpts were comparable in price, but smaller and didn't come with the parts to make all three, so they are cheaper in plastic still. Their plastic pricing is also weird as they seem to be working to make certain things certain standardized prices. Bane Thralls went down from $80+ to $55 when they went plastic, while Retribution Houseguard went Up from $45/50 to $55.

Plus, the PVC kits aren't all bad. Actually, some of them, like the Convergence heavy hover vectors, are really really nice, as good as GW kits, even. Of course, on the other hand you have the Convergence starter box, which is just an abomination - horribly placed mouldlines and warped pieces galore.

~Tim?

 Maddermax wrote:
Rumours are at the moment that the Cyriss Battle Engine (The Transwhatever something projector) is currently being tested as PPs first model done using a new plastic on sprues.

Please let this be true. I'd defiantly buy the model if it is.

Is that PVC what the dire troll kit is made of?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Is that PVC what the dire troll kit is made of?

That or metal.

Eugh. PVC is why I've practically stopped buying PP minis (it wasn't a matter of offense, just a slow stop to purchases... realized one day that it was the plastic killing the hobby for me).

Thanks for the reminder- I'd been tempted to get into the Cephalyx.

 Cyporiean wrote:
That or metal.

Oh. It was not so bad then. Still better for conversions that metal ihmo. Though not being able to use the usual plastic glue was a bit of a downer.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Is that PVC what the dire troll kit is made of?

That or metal.

She'd be more likely to be able to get the PVC version, since the metal is OOP now.