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1) It's unclear how many slots Thrakka and Makari take in a battlewagon. The assumption is that both models combined are 18 slots so you can fit a retinue of 2 MANz, but many people (rightfully) disagree.
2) SJD can shoot after using the shokk tunnel, due to models being set up counting as having made a normal move.
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Point's are out:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oF1iWIkNsvlUHByM.pdf

I just noticed you can have units of 2 MANz.

So Thrakka can ride a BW with Makari and a unit of two MANz.

I've not yet decided whether that is genius or stupid

From the tail end of the old thread;

 Afrodactyl wrote:
I think I'd prefer Killsaws getting the anti vehicle treatment over devastating wounds. Trading off an attack compared to the PK for the ability to threaten every vehicle would be much more worthwhile IMO.

gungo wrote:While I do think the megaMek is awesome.
I don’t think it’s the only leader you want for meganobs…
He’s only 4+ invul to unit from shooting
And reroll 1 to hit shooting
All of which don’t work inside a trukk….

His coolest benefit is the bring back model but meganobs aren’t designed for shooting… and those buffs conflict with detachment and army rules which mostly benefit melee… exploding 6s, +1 str/atk in melee…

I think a warboss in mega armor benefits the meganob more in the trukk man missile.
He gives meganobs +1 to hit in melee making those dual killsaw a reliable 3+ to hit profile…

I think the MegaManz unit is best suited for dumping them on an objective and just being an obnoxious unit to remove.

6 MANz and a KFF MegaMek is 23 T6 2+ wounds with a 4++ against shooting, and puts out a not insignificant amount of shoota fire with rerolled 1s to clear away chaff infantry with better OC. Anything that tries to fight you for it is getting smacked. You can then start restoring models when you take damage or restore a handful of wounds with the oiler.

That's decently tough to shift regardless of whether you try to shoot them off or fight them.

It's not the killiest unit, but it is pretty hard to shift.

Also, Ghaz is only 235 points including Makari.... He might be usable at that cost.

It looks like you can't take individual models for most units, you buy them in chunks. A fair few units have decimaled points costs when done individually.

 Jidmah wrote:
I just noticed you can have units of 2 MANz.

So Thrakka can ride a BW with Makari and a unit of two MANz.

I've not yet decided whether that is genius or stupid

Actually makari takes a slot too, you don't look you can have bodyguards actually, and the wagon went up to 185 but you can bring every upgrade


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lol 10 nobz + boss is almost the same as 6megnobz + warboss

Yeah i amusing them as distraction

dread 150 a pop ouch


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defkotas are down in price so is the wazboom with all his stuff LOL

anyway, got a game tomorrow, need to get ready catch you guy's later.

Somebody over there really doesn't like tankbustas. (and the bossbunka, wtf?)

Meganobs and squighog boys are dirt cheap…

Issues with lethal hits, anti x, and devastating wounds clarified to not trigger other abilities..

Ghaz is fairly cheap and will be really strong until they nerf the trukk.. man missle combo..
Boys are cheap as are Gretchin. Goff pressure looks good for now. Not sure about much else

Lots of fast melee threats and a semi fast durable objective grabber? Dunno if it’s to much points in meganobs/squigriders…

List-
Ghaz/makari
5x pk/shoota meganobs
Trukk

Megaboss
5x pk/shoota meganobs
Trukk

Megamek
5x pk/kombi meganobs
Trukk

Beastboss on squig

Nob on squig
6x squigriders
2x bombsquigs

Nob on squig
6x squig riders
2x bombsquigs

Zodgrod
20 Gretchin/ 2 runtherders

2k points… not the most competitive list but fun.

Really? I think the squighogs look really expensive. Maybe they are worth it but they definitely went up in price.


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Oh wow the trukk is 50 points lol

Beardedragon wrote:
Really? I think the squighogs look really expensive


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Oh wow the trukk is 50 points lol

They seem on par with the other big, killy units

6 squighogs + Nob = 295
5 MANZ + MA Mek + Trukk = 315
10 Nobz + boss + Trukk = 350

the funny detail is upgrades are free lol

Forceride wrote:
the funny detail is upgrades are free lol

yes at first glace i was like: This gak is expensive. But its not really more expensive (not necessarily at least..)

Personally i dont like that its already dictated that you almost SHOULD take all the wargear options, simply to not "waste" your points. Also if im not mistaken, you cant take 7 nobz, you have to take 5 or 10. well you can but you still pay for them (i think).

Like you wanna use a battlewagon to transport infantry, as many as you can, but if you dont take the kill kannon, you are paying 180 points for a wagon and waste points. so its a weird rule.

If you already intend to take all the weapons upgrades, you probably arent paying more than what you have to.

From the rules commentary:

"A repositioned unit counts as having made a Normal move in the
phase in which it is set back up."

So SJD actually CAN shoot after tunneling. Awesome!

 Jidmah wrote:
From the rules commentary:

"A repositioned unit counts as having made a Normal move in the
phase in which it is set back up."

So SJD actually CAN shoot after tunneling. Awesome!

thats amazing.

Despite having like 12-13k points worth of orks, i only have 1 runtherd.. now i have to make effing runtherds..

Beardedragon wrote:
Really? I think the squighogs look really expensive. Maybe they are worth it but they definitely went up in price.


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Oh wow the trukk is 50 points lol

Unit size of 6 w 1 nob.. and beastboss on squig in range (2 free bomb squigs so lots of mortals)
Each squigrider is 7atks on Waagh w exploding 6s (hitting on 2s w nob)
Squigboss reroll charge range and it cant be modified so extremely reliable
Reliable wounding w lance, anti everything.. (and nob is brutal w Hwkc enhancement)
Thier only issue is t7, 4+ 5+++ 3w isn’t really durable (5++ during Waagh)
Doing 2 squads of this is 98atks not counting beastboss on squig..should be able to clear through most chaff quickly.

Beastsnaggas in general are brutal this addition.

 Jidmah wrote:
From the rules commentary:

"A repositioned unit counts as having made a Normal move in the
phase in which it is set back up."

So SJD actually CAN shoot after tunneling. Awesome!

Nice! I need to get to work on my 2nd one.

Glad to see Lootas and Trukks are cheaper.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/KBvH5h3oY5QREpmG.pdf

small faq i guess, still reading

Beardedragon wrote:

Forceride wrote:
the funny detail is upgrades are free lol

yes at first glace i was like: This gak is expensive. But its not really more expensive (not necessarily at least..)

Personally i dont like that its already dictated that you almost SHOULD take all the wargear options, simply to not "waste" your points. Also if im not mistaken, you cant take 7 nobz, you have to take 5 or 10. well you can but you still pay for them (i think).

At least I know what I'll be doing with all the extra tank bustas I have. They'll go back to join the boyz they used to share a sprue with

Free rokkits without heavy restrictions are something I have wished for ever since starting orks.

Like you wanna use a battlewagon to transport infantry, as many as you can, but if you dont take the kill kannon, you are paying 180 points for a wagon and waste points. so its a weird rule.

If you already intend to take all the weapons upgrades, you probably arent paying more than what you have to.

I have played PL crusade for most of 9th, free upgrades really doesn't have any positive or negative effect, you just have less barebone units running around.

5 tankbustas are the same points as 5 devastators... well...
Lootas seem okish at 11 pts per model. I'm very doubtful about most of our small characters; 5 sm scouts are 75 points and will basically kill 1 oddboy per turn while being rather hard to shift since we lack reliable ranged killing power or need it to bring down tanks. Deffdread seems expensive in comparison to naut.

Supa-Cybork Body enhancement (4+ fnp) looks better value the bigger the model; it's a flat 15pts even if you put it on a stompa.

 PaddyMick wrote:
Supa-Cybork Body enhancement (4+ fnp) looks better value the bigger the model; it's a flat 15pts even if you put it on a stompa.

sry mate:

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I also think unit sizes are locked with point's

You take either 10 or 20 boyz, no more no less, i point at the meganobz example.

things are getting really weird..

So our stompa is 800pts but the wraithknight which everyone was saying actually needed to be 800 pts to be balanced is less than half that...nice

Cheap Trukks and Loota spam. 5th edition is back on the menu boyz

Seeing the points today was a pretty big surprise for me, since I guess GW is going the AoS route now for 40k. I suppose some of the writing was on the wall with how they formatted the weapons options being fixed and that's why things looked kinda janky for a lot of units. Mixed feelings on my part because I feel GW doesn't do a great job handling the nuance of pricing built in for units with lots of options but we'll see how things go for now.

Glad to see Ghaz went down in price, I think people also need to remember Makari is part of his unit now as well.

Flash Gitz at 19ppm looks real solid, especially at their current profile. I feel like a brick of ten with Badrukk will be a strong go-to point for dakka lovers everywhere until we get more detachments.

Disappointed the Stompa is 800 points (dammit GW, why you do this), Killa Kanz also feel pricier than they should be, as well as Deff Dreads.

Also, cool beans about SJD being able to do what they're supposed to do, though I guess their role now is character assassin rather than anti-tank.

Will write more thoughts when I have time, but it seems like we got off a lot better compared to some factions like Ad Mech, though we'll have to keep an eye out for rising stars like Tau and Eldar.

 JohnU wrote:
Somebody over there really doesn't like tankbustas. (and the bossbunka, wtf?)

I assume it's because you could stuff the bunka with shooty units and then use a mek to have a firing base that put down a withering hail of heavy weapons fire and was surprisingly hard to remove?

Or am I interpreting that wrong.

Ya flash gitz and lootas seem like the clear winners for me which is great since flash gitz are my favorite unit in the army. Gonna have to find some pirate ship stl files that work for battlewagons to print out lol.

On a serious note though having zero customization is a massive turn off imo. Hopefully its just a temporary thing because if this is just the new normal going forward Idk I might have to just move on from 40k.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
Somebody over there really doesn't like tankbustas. (and the bossbunka, wtf?)

I assume it's because you could stuff the bunka with shooty units and then use a mek to have a firing base that put down a withering hail of heavy weapons fire and was surprisingly hard to remove?

Or am I interpreting that wrong.

And keep the bunka around for longer by constantly healing it. Yeah I think you're right. Issue is most weapons you want in it want to be within 24 inchs ya know?

Bit bummed by the stompa's cost, going to be running numbers, see if it or the nauts have a place in regards to durability and output. Glad the mek is only 45 points though, good and cheap for his potential buffs.

Not sure to understand well:

Does the rule ’Ere We Go of the squigboss apply to himself to reroll charges ?

Are there any rules that prevents me from using the same psychic power twice, on two different units?

Like 2 units of boys with 2 weirdboys, tellyporting both units?

Beardedragon wrote:
Are there any rules that prevents me from using the same psychic power twice, on two different units?

Like 2 units of boys with 2 weirdboys, tellyporting both units?

Universal rule, no. It's up to datasheet. Weirdboy one, like blood angel librarian dreadnought, farseer's fate dice counts as 6 spell etc specifically says ONE X from your army.

So in this case yes.

Other spells different. Need to check rule itself.

 thori wrote:
Not sure to understand well:

Does the rule ’Ere We Go of the squigboss apply to himself to reroll charges ?

yes, he is a beast snagga, and he is within 6" of him self