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This is the first army I've painted up. Granted its a combat patrol, but that's still an army right ? ^^;
A friend of mine pushed me to just paint, trying to help me get over the anxiety and fear of failure, so I managed to knock this lot up in about a month (technically a bit longer, but christmas season didn't give me a lot of free time). Its just base coat's and washes. I'm not exactly sure on the layering, dry brushing (other than the bases), or edge highlighting. I get the shakes a bit so keeping it simple stupid to begin with was how i was planning do them ^^;;
Sorry if the quality or pictures are a bit too big. Not sure how to shrink them, and my little makeshift set up practical enough XD
I also would like to ask some questions too for when it comes to modelling and painting. Right now I've come out of this combat patrol having hit my goal and I am trying to think of the next part to move onto. I was thinking about one of my other army combat patrols. Either Votann or Sororitas... but i'm hitting a bit of a snag with trying to paint them. Think going from Necron Warrior level of detail, and being able to just about get around the weapons to paint.
And going to big chunky weapons, more detail and more body being blocked has kind of thrown me off quite a bit.
I've already glued things together, and I'd rather not tear anything off in case I break something ^^;;
Is it better to leave weapons and backpacks off to add later, or is it just personal preference ?
But yes, I'm trying to think of what I want to do next to try and progress, but I'm drawing a blank. Any suggestions for someone new to painting and trying to keep riding this new year of painting ?
I have a large amount of Necrons, Votann, and Sororitas, both built and still on sprue, but all grey plastic. Some Kill Team also on sprues that I'm hoping to learn the game and get into
Thanks for your time all
Sorry for the rambling ^^;;;
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“Just paint” is always good advice! Hesitation is really the bane of this hobby for many.
I think the minis you’ve got look great. If these are some of the first you’ve ever painted then definitely a very strong start! A couple of areas (skorpekh swords in particular) where you could thin your paints a bit more, but you seem to have a good accuracy with your brush (despite your apparently shaky hands!)
I tend to keep guns and backpacks and stuff separate before painting, but that’s just my preference. I’d say the vast majority of people will glue everything together before painting. A lot of the time if you can’t fit uour brush around a gun for example, you probably wont be able to see much of the obscured area anyway, so it doesn’t need to be painted beyond a basecoat.
Something I think is important to bear in mind: You don’t have to pick out every individual detail. There’s a lot of STUFF on new GW kits, and it can be really intimidating and slow you down if you try to paint all of it differently. The Votann miniatures for example: You don’t have to pick out the pouches and holsters etc with a different colour. If the clothes and the pouches are all painted the same colour, then all washed together, then they’ll all stand out as separate details and still look ‘finished’.
In a similar vein, you don’t have to give the same amount of love to all areas of the model. Again with the Votann example, edge highlighting the clothes would be a little awkward, but the armour would be much easier. Just basecoat and wash everything, and only edge highlight parts of the armour that you feel comfortable with. Even just a couple of edges picked out can make a big difference. The swords on the Necrons would be a great place to try it. Big, clear, open edges like on the swords would be the easiest part to edge highlight.
My two pennies. Hope that is helpful in some way :]
Necrons look great. You are off to a good start. Painting, like most things, is something you will get better at the more you do it. You will learn new tricks/techniques, master old ones, and generally improve.
Basecoats and washes, especially in the era of contrast paints, will take you pretty far. Defiantly to the quality table-top level you have now. If you don’t want to edge highlight the whole model, you can pick out the high points and just give them a little boost.
Some people fully assemble before painting. Others go in parts. How many parts also varies. I generally leave the guns off so I can get to the chest details better. Other people figure, if you can’t get a brush there, it doesn’t need paint. 2 schools of thought, neither is wrong.
How to stay motivated and keep the momentum up is a very personal question. Everyone has different drivers. I can offer some general advice.
Set reasonable goals, but keep them a little out of reach. And be OK failing them from time to time. You don’t want to set them so high there is no chance to meet them, but if you are making your goals all the time, you should push yourself a little harder. These can be targeted (Finish painting a specific 2k tournament list in time) or more general (Paint at least 1 mini a week all year, 52+ total)
Mix things up. Burnout is a thing. Change what you do to keep it fresh. Even if you only paint one army, if you need to get 60 basic warriors done you will go insane doing them one after another. So paint 5, do a HQ unit, another 5, elite unit, etc. Or if your army has alternative paint schemes. Painting a squad of repentia will break up the wall of power armor in a Sister’s list.
Paint socially. Go to paint nights at your FLGS if they have them. Join online competitions (we have a monthly one here) Keep a hobby progress blog. A community will offer support, encouragement, and advice.
I agree with shmvo that the paint on the blades could be a bit thinner, but the rest of each model looks pretty good. They definitely look much better than when I first started modelling back in 2014.
A good tip for painting orange (and also yellow) is to paint the area with with a white or off white (I use Citadel Wraithbone from the paint pot) and then paint your orange over the top. That way you don't have to use thick paint or use so many coats.
You've definitely shown you have excellent brush control with the small details you've picked up and can probably take your models "to the next level" as soon as you're comfortable with painting. There are ways to mitigate the shakes, such as bracing your hands together or against parts of the model.
Anyway, welcome to the hobby and to the forums. If you any questions feel free to ask! I look forward to seeing more of your work!
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I tend to keep guns and backpacks and stuff separate before painting, but that’s just my preference. I’d say the vast majority of people will glue everything together before painting. A lot of the time if you can’t fit uour brush around a gun for example, you probably wont be able to see much of the obscured area anyway, so it doesn’t need to be painted beyond a basecoat.
Something I think is important to bear in mind: You don’t have to pick out every individual detail. There’s a lot of STUFF on new GW kits, and it can be really intimidating and slow you down if you try to paint all of it differently. The Votann miniatures for example: You don’t have to pick out the pouches and holsters etc with a different colour. If the clothes and the pouches are all painted the same colour, then all washed together, then they’ll all stand out as separate details and still look ‘finished’.
Thanks for the comments ^^
I usually just glued everything on, cause I'm mostly a get to the table and play loooooong before I paint ^^;;
I think when it comes to this newish found thing called painting for me I'm trying to get too much right first try, and its giving a lot of slowdown. Far too much failure over the years gave me a nervous disposition to painting in general. But I'm trying to work out of it. It took me a while to get through the combat patrol, a mix of going off for a little and christmas season work. But I'm trying to get back into it.
Will keep that don't need to pick out everything, and try not to get intimidated, so I can keep trying to move forward.
Some people fully assemble before painting. Others go in parts. How many parts also varies. I generally leave the guns off so I can get to the chest details better. Other people figure, if you can’t get a brush there, it doesn’t need paint. 2 schools of thought, neither is wrong.
How to stay motivated and keep the momentum up is a very personal question. Everyone has different drivers. I can offer some general advice.
Set reasonable goals, but keep them a little out of reach. And be OK failing them from time to time. You don’t want to set them so high there is no chance to meet them, but if you are making your goals all the time, you should push yourself a little harder. These can be targeted (Finish painting a specific 2k tournament list in time) or more general (Paint at least 1 mini a week all year, 52+ total)
Mix things up. Burnout is a thing. Change what you do to keep it fresh. Even if you only paint one army, if you need to get 60 basic warriors done you will go insane doing them one after another. So paint 5, do a HQ unit, another 5, elite unit, etc. Or if your army has alternative paint schemes. Painting a squad of repentia will break up the wall of power armor in a Sister’s list.
Paint socially. Go to paint nights at your FLGS if they have them. Join online competitions (we have a monthly one here) Keep a hobby progress blog. A community will offer support, encouragement, and advice.
Welcome to the hobby and Dakka!
Dakka does look like its going to be a place where I might be able to improve ^^
So there is multiple camps for assembled and unassembled, good to know. I've only ever really known just build up fast as possible and play. So I might have to look into it for certainly models
Burnout is a thing I've struggled with a lot. Its something that's basically made me rotate from army to army gaming wise over the course of months. This isn't so much the painting aspect but the playing, but doing it so often now its like second nature that i'm trying to get out of now ^^;;
Will try the resonable goals part. I used to try to build up to X points level, and then get to play. So maybes painting to X points level might be my goals. 250pts - 500pts incrememnts isn't a massive amount ^^;
ShadowsAndDust wrote: I agree with shmvo that the paint on the blades could be a bit thinner, but the rest of each model looks pretty good. They definitely look much better than when I first started modelling back in 2014.
A good tip for painting orange (and also yellow) is to paint the area with with a white or off white (I use Citadel Wraithbone from the paint pot) and then paint your orange over the top. That way you don't have to use thick paint or use so many coats.
You've definitely shown you have excellent brush control with the small details you've picked up and can probably take your models "to the next level" as soon as you're comfortable with painting. There are ways to mitigate the shakes, such as bracing your hands together or against parts of the model.
Anyway, welcome to the hobby and to the forums. If you any questions feel free to ask! I look forward to seeing more of your work!
Funny you say that about painting orange. I was actually trying to paint red with contrasts ^^;;
I watched the GW painting guide for glowing red weapons on skorpekhs, and somehow mine turned out orange ^^;;
I kept going back over it to try and get it right, but eventually left it rather than trying to go over it again for the 5th or 6th time
I'm hoping I get more comfortable with painting sooner rather than later. But working out of a many year slump of painting means its going to take time. But i do really want to hit that dream of my own painted army at 2k... my dreams are small yes XD
I have another question.
As I've mentioned before I have a tendancy to jump over to other armies at a... more often than I should rate. Usually due to either painting or gaming side of things. I think on the latter side its less, i lost this army sucks. And more clearly I'm doing something wrong, is this army for me ? I can't count how many times I've done that over the years now ^^;;
So I'm wondering how I can try to break down that first barrier I have more than anything (eyes are already wandering ^^;. I just uncovered a Hierotek Circle killteam, which I might put together and learn for kill team to at least keep me on the Necron path.
But I''ve also got a small force of Sister and Votann going that I have rarely played since last year.
Any thoughts to keep me painting ?
I'm not sure what army I want to be my focus. But I'm never really had A army before. So I'm still trying to figure things out ^^;
I think it's good to sometimes have the attitude that you don't have to be painting 'for' something all the time. It's good to have goals, and nice to have a painted army, but you should also let yourself paint one-off things just because you like the model.
It's definitely easy to see a box of models that you really like, and immediate think "what army can I build with these in?" Sometimes I think it's good just to buy a box of cool models, and paint 1 of them for the fun - without fitting it into an army or some larger plan.
You'll build up an army over time, as long as you keep painting consistently. following things that you find fun can keep you motivated, otherwise it can easily become a chore, if everything you are painting is to meet a plan or schedule.
Hey, welcome to the forum/hobby! Massive hobby butterfly here, so my advice on keeping yourself motivated probably isn't going to be much use to you... other than to say, paint what you like! If you see a model or army that you think really matches your personal aesthetics, then paint that model or army. Unless you're REALLY into winning, then just from a painting perspective, don't worry about how you're losing with this or that army. Winning all the time, and being obsessed with winning, will quickly become less fun, both for you and for your opponents, anyway. If you're really hyper focused on winning already, then try to chill out a bit, take things down a notch and try to see the fun in losing - because it IS fun to lose in wargaming. And like I say, paint what you want to paint not what you think you need to paint in order to win.
On the subject of your Necron combat patrol, the models themselves look great, as does the basing. But I've just got one piece of advice: neaten up those base rims! It might seem like silly or even pointless advice, but a scrappy base rim can make a good paintjob look worse than it is. When you're painting the rims, do them in a batch, use a thinned black (or whatever colour you're choosing) and paint a single thin coat on each of the rims until you've done them all, then repeat. You'll probably need three (or even four) coats on each rim to get a nice smooth finish. Make sure the rim is clean first (remove any overspill of your basing), use your best brush and, rather than holding onto the base or the model itself (or using something like the GW paint handle that grips the base rim), use a big blob of blutack under the base to hold onto, or use bottle corks with blutack on the top in the same way. Anything that keeps your holding hand away from the base rim while you're painting it so you can get a nice smooth coat of paint on without rubbing or pulling the paint off again. And make sure each coat is fully dry before painting the next one for the same reason. This is why painting rims in batches is a good idea. Painting them in batches allows each base time to dry before you return for the next coat, rather than painting one and having to stop and wait for the paint to dry before going over it again.
Oh, and this is probably redundant advice, but always paint the base rim last of all on a model!
Like I say, it might seem like silly advice, but a messy rim is a personal bugbear of mine and there are lots of other people out there like me. Even people who don't think it's important will, in most cases, still subconsciously notice messy base rims. Neat and tidy rims really help finish off your model properly.
shmvo wrote: I think it's good to sometimes have the attitude that you don't have to be painting 'for' something all the time. It's good to have goals, and nice to have a painted army, but you should also let yourself paint one-off things just because you like the model.
It's definitely easy to see a box of models that you really like, and immediate think "what army can I build with these in?" Sometimes I think it's good just to buy a box of cool models, and paint 1 of them for the fun - without fitting it into an army or some larger plan.
You'll build up an army over time, as long as you keep painting consistently. following things that you find fun can keep you motivated, otherwise it can easily become a chore, if everything you are painting is to meet a plan or schedule.
My attitude for when it comes to hobby stuff, mostly writing, and back when I was paint attempting over the years was always a case of trying to make something that other people would like. A lot of asking what do you think of this, does it look ok, do you like the colors. My friends have been trying to get me into the state of mind of, do it for yourself. Its slow going to say the least, But I'm getting there.
Normally I try not to buy the odd random model for a faction I don't own. Mostly because it leads to me grabbing more of an army on a whim and I do not have space with all the plastic crack i own XD
So I think taking your advice would be to maybes look through a list of what I have from time to time and just see if anything stands out that I wouldn't mind trying. I have a good chunk of Necrons, Sisters, and Votann, as well as specialist game stuff so its not like I'm short on variety ^^;
CancelledApocalypse wrote: Hey, welcome to the forum/hobby! Massive hobby butterfly here, so my advice on keeping yourself motivated probably isn't going to be much use to you... other than to say, paint what you like! If you see a model or army that you think really matches your personal aesthetics, then paint that model or army. Unless you're REALLY into winning, then just from a painting perspective, don't worry about how you're losing with this or that army. Winning all the time, and being obsessed with winning, will quickly become less fun, both for you and for your opponents, anyway. If you're really hyper focused on winning already, then try to chill out a bit, take things down a notch and try to see the fun in losing - because it IS fun to lose in wargaming. And like I say, paint what you want to paint not what you think you need to paint in order to win.
On the subject of your Necron combat patrol, the models themselves look great, as does the basing. But I've just got one piece of advice: neaten up those base rims! It might seem like silly or even pointless advice, but a scrappy base rim can make a good paintjob look worse than it is. When you're painting the rims, do them in a batch, use a thinned black (or whatever colour you're choosing) and paint a single thin coat on each of the rims until you've done them all, then repeat. You'll probably need three (or even four) coats on each rim to get a nice smooth finish. Make sure the rim is clean first (remove any overspill of your basing), use your best brush and, rather than holding onto the base or the model itself (or using something like the GW paint handle that grips the base rim), use a big blob of blutack under the base to hold onto, or use bottle corks with blutack on the top in the same way. Anything that keeps your holding hand away from the base rim while you're painting it so you can get a nice smooth coat of paint on without rubbing or pulling the paint off again. And make sure each coat is fully dry before painting the next one for the same reason. This is why painting rims in batches is a good idea. Painting them in batches allows each base time to dry before you return for the next coat, rather than painting one and having to stop and wait for the paint to dry before going over it again.
Oh, and this is probably redundant advice, but always paint the base rim last of all on a model!
Like I say, it might seem like silly advice, but a messy rim is a personal bugbear of mine and there are lots of other people out there like me. Even people who don't think it's important will, in most cases, still subconsciously notice messy base rims. Neat and tidy rims really help finish off your model properly.
You're doing great, anyway!
I think what drew me to the three I like is mostly the lore. I really need to read about them in their codexs and any books they got a bit more at some point. My best friend suggested I do the sisters which I grabbed on a whim, but they are slowly growing on me.
Painting I tend to struggle on the choosing colors. I'm a tad indecisive, which people may have noticed by now ^^;;;
The necrons above were my simple small amount of colors scheme (sorry about the base rims too, its the first time I've had to do them, will touch them up later ^^;;; ), so nothing too bright until you hit the weapons.
Its not so much a case of needing to win every game or anything. I can have a laugh even when i lose. The only time when it starts getting me down is if its just a complete stomp on me. Dice excluded cause that's like trying to control squigs ^^;;. Its more like if its such a one sided game I start to think I'm the problem and that I'm just not using the army right and letting the side down. Again that's one more thing my friends (non wargamers) are trying to pull me out of. Still slow goings, but I'm not a complete lost cause yet XD
Awesome job on the Necrons! You have an eye for design actually.
Hopefully this will aid your efforts if I understood your questions correctly:
There are 2 practices that I am trying out to help me. One is creeping or layering (washes over white) and the other is (gluing after painting)
Washes over white The idea is to selectively wash areas over and over from start to finish, going from light areas to darker areas. I don't have a perfect picture example of this. But the goal is to let the washes do all the hard work, so I do not have to be super precise with the brush strokes or waste time by painting around every nook and cranny.
1 - First step is to selectively wash each area NOT in the color that it will eventually be, but in the lightest highlight under-color that will shine through the future color washes.
2 - Second step is to selectively wash over the first wash with a mid-color similarly watery transparent wash that will color tint the first wash and color in the mid-tone color.
3 - Third step is to selectively wash over the shadow areas to ink/etch/stain the recesses with a heavier or more opaque wash and leave the light areas untouched.
4 - Fourth step is finish painting the mini normally fixing any shadow or highlight or details or mistakes. For example the faces need to be painted normally, I have not yet figured out a way to successfully wash faces in a perfect sequence. But I am using small selective washes to put in red into the face shadows around ears, cheeks and nose.
Gluing after painting It is a balance and takes a bit of experience to learn when pre-painting before glue will save time and when it does not matter. Because I have seen plenty of pro-painters who assemble complicated detailed model and then do a crazy good paint job on it, so I know it can be done, but I am always a bit scared of the undercuts. There are also models that I painted fully assembled and did not worry about painting the undercuts or hard to reach areas because you can't see them anyways, so its fine, and up to personal preference for each project!
Here are my examples of pre-painting before gluing. In all my cases the reason is an attempt at avoiding the undercuts and hopefully make the painting process easier and quicker, which not always works.
DarkEldar https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/760381.page
The Raider Crew. Leaving separate, the pieces that will cover the model, creating hard to reach areas for the paintbrush.
The Wyches
Pretty much everything was painted separately. Because pieces are small and hard to hold, each separate piece needs to be glued into a long piece of sprue or be pinned for comfortable heldage.
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I could pose the top painted tosro with the arms to the bottom painted legs to see best position for gluing in. And I do not worry about the undercuts because everything is already painted.
Here is the trouble of pre-painting before gluing. 3 pieces are painted, but the fit was very tight, and the gluing was very difficult resulting in ugly seam and a bit of paint damage.
However, it can be repaired, and the repairs are not that hard or scary, so have no fear! it is ok
The visors repurpose as shoulders are glueind in last in this case.
Spoiler:
From personal experience for personal issues - I have learned that my personal issues are not improved by any types of "distractions" ranging from harmful all the way to healthy, for me it did not matter. So I have learned that for me all originates from my world-view on reality, and work done in this area is adjusting my issues from anxiety into peace. If you like to talk on that, feel free to pm me anytime .
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Mothsniper wrote: Awesome job on the Necrons! You have an eye for design actually.
Hopefully this will aid your efforts if I understood your questions correctly:
There are 2 practices that I am trying out to help me. One is creeping or layering (washes over white) and the other is (gluing after painting)
Firstly, apoligies for being so late to respond after your big and in depth response. Haven't had much time to sit at my computer lately, just either due to work or being out and about constantly ^^;;
Thanks for the big in depth response and showing off different painting methods to go by. I think if I'm to do something like, my sisters or the votann for instance, I probably would leave guns, backpacks and heads off and paint the main body that way. Though I'd have to give it a go myself to see if I can make sure things fit proper after doing them, because I think when I tried building sisters, the arms were a nightmare. Either that or clearly I just can't read instructions XD
Necrons for me are luckily something that mostly one color, so is a lot easier to manage ^^;;
The wash method is pretty interesting, might be something I have to try and some point when I get to painting. Looks a little advanced for me, but that's just due to confidence issue. Just something I've got to try and get over with a bit more painting over time.
Anxiety wise I'm slowly trying to work through it. Snails pace admittedly, but working through it.
I'm endevouring to not jump to brand new armies this year to try and escape my current armies. This year I just want to focus down on the things I have and expand upon them. So Necrons, Sisters, Votann, with some specialist stuff in between. One of them being my Necromunda Delaque gang because I regret never getting them painted up for the campaign a year back, so I think they deserve being battle ready.
Same for the the big armies too. Each of them have qualities I like. And even though I'm really itching to take the sisters to the local store to combat patrol with, I'm slowing down on that one until I find a color scheme I like for them and can manage. Starting to try to do this hobby for me. So I will keep posting and showing off models that I'm building and painting.
Mothsniper wrote: Awesome job on the Necrons! You have an eye for design actually.
Hopefully this will aid your efforts if I understood your questions correctly:
There are 2 practices that I am trying out to help me. One is creeping or layering (washes over white) and the other is (gluing after painting)
Firstly, apoligies for being so late to respond after your big and in depth response. Haven't had much time to sit at my computer lately, just either due to work or being out and about constantly ^^;;
Thanks for the big in depth response and showing off different painting methods to go by. I think if I'm to do something like, my sisters or the votann for instance, I probably would leave guns, backpacks and heads off and paint the main body that way. Though I'd have to give it a go myself to see if I can make sure things fit proper after doing them, because I think when I tried building sisters, the arms were a nightmare. Either that or clearly I just can't read instructions XD
Necrons for me are luckily something that mostly one color, so is a lot easier to manage ^^;;
The wash method is pretty interesting, might be something I have to try and some point when I get to painting. Looks a little advanced for me, but that's just due to confidence issue. Just something I've got to try and get over with a bit more painting over time.
Anxiety wise I'm slowly trying to work through it. Snails pace admittedly, but working through it.
I'm endevouring to not jump to brand new armies this year to try and escape my current armies. This year I just want to focus down on the things I have and expand upon them. So Necrons, Sisters, Votann, with some specialist stuff in between. One of them being my Necromunda Delaque gang because I regret never getting them painted up for the campaign a year back, so I think they deserve being battle ready.
Same for the the big armies too. Each of them have qualities I like. And even though I'm really itching to take the sisters to the local store to combat patrol with, I'm slowing down on that one until I find a color scheme I like for them and can manage. Starting to try to do this hobby for me. So I will keep posting and showing off models that I'm building and painting.
Sorry for the ramble XD
All good!
You said it: "I'd have to give it a go myself to see" That is the best/only way to do it.
Very thorough, I in particular liked the method for putting heads onto spruce twigs, I'm stealing that technique right here and now.
Wish I knew to do that before heh, makes it so much easier.
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
I've just been thinking on what things I want to get done, I'm still stuck in my old ways of army hopping so I'm going to just try to spend the next couple of months trying to do up my Necrons to a bigger points level. Right now I'm building up the Hierotek Circle Kill Team. Mostly because I'm unable to 40k games nights for a while, but I might be able to specialist. So that will tie me over as a little side project ^^;
I'm just trying to go for it, 500pts outside of the combat patrol, then 750pts, etc. Small goals which will usually only be a unit or unit or two.
I have however been thinking on the paint scheme for my Necrons. I'm not sure if I should change the canoptek units to match in with the rest of my force or just to leave it. Change the black armor for the brass colors to match with the rest.
Got time before work tomorrow, so I'm going to head into my local workshop, pick up some paints and try to see if i can get my energy weapons a little more tidy and shinier. It's something I should learn since I'm wanting to use the Psychomancer for my Kill Team. Got to get the big glowing digital skull right XD
I might move my projects over to the other forum if that's the proper place for it. Will leave a link when I get around to that ^^;;
Ultramarines, 3rd Co. and friends, 16k+ 
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. I just uncovered a Hierotek Circle killteam, which I might put together and learn for kill team to at least keep me on the Necron path.
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