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Adding a whole new extra biome changes the biome generation algorithm. This means that the same seed used in 1.1 and 1.2 will look completely different.
They are disabling the 1.2 biome algorithm for worlds generated in 1.1 and earlier to maintain backwards compatibility.
This can be bypassed to force jungles to appear in new chunks, but doing so causes biome weather to shift to the new algorithm, which means that it no longer matches the already generated biomes. What this means is you get it raining or snowing in the desert and no snow in the snow biomes etc. You also end up with the giant walls between 1.1 chunks and 1.2 chunks. (It's like the 1.7-1.8 update all over again).
If we leave things as is and update to 1.2 without bypassing the backwards compatibility check, the world continues to be generated as if it was 1.1, no jungles, but everything else is still correct and new chunks come in smoothly (no giant walls). You also get the non-jungle specific new stuff like climbable vines etc etc.
The other option is to nuke the world again, but I think it's been too soon since the last reset. I would rather wait and see if they do even more new biome changes and save it all up for one more giant reset before we do something as drastic as that.
I say we stick with the plain update to 1.2 when it arrives (no naturally spawning jungles, sorry). The jungle items will be available to me in creative mode. This includes Ocelot eggs and in addition it is even possible to grow the giant jungle trees using four jungle saplings. I will probably make some "mini-Jungles" here and there, like how LegoBurner used to make the "mini-Nethers" before the nether was available in Multiplayer. I can even throw in some Ocelots...
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The latter would be fine by me for now, waiting at least another update before we bother with saving everything again.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Yeh I guess for now you could just give people an Ocelot or two and wait out the other changes before resetting the world. Would suck to go ahead and change it, then they change the algorithm again or something.
Not to mention it was likely a PitA for you to copy across all the structures in the first place.
I have a bit of obby, about half a stack.
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Generally you need 10 to make a bare minimum portal, 14 to make a full portal (no functional difference, just looks better).
I have obsidian but I'm planning on using it.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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I was doing it as a proof of concept- in another server (that had some Griefer problems- I think they were more due to permissions mods than prevented by them) I was making a huge pyramid and obelisk out of solid sandstone (I actually completed the pyramid, but wasn't satisfied with the Obby. They're rather difficult to do properly.). I had a tunnel system with little light in the bottom of it, and I wanted one of the tunnels to transport anyone walking down it into the Nether, without them having to stop.
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Adding a whole new extra biome changes the biome generation algorithm. This means that the same seed used in 1.1 and 1.2 will look completely different.
They are disabling the 1.2 biome algorithm for worlds generated in 1.1 and earlier to maintain backwards compatibility.
This can be bypassed to force jungles to appear in new chunks, but doing so causes biome weather to shift to the new algorithm, which means that it no longer matches the already generated biomes. What this means is you get it raining or snowing in the desert and no snow in the snow biomes etc. You also end up with the giant walls between 1.1 chunks and 1.2 chunks. (It's like the 1.7-1.8 update all over again).
If we leave things as is and update to 1.2 without bypassing the backwards compatibility check, the world continues to be generated as if it was 1.1, no jungles, but everything else is still correct and new chunks come in smoothly (no giant walls). You also get the non-jungle specific new stuff like climbable vines etc etc.
The other option is to nuke the world again, but I think it's been too soon since the last reset. I would rather wait and see if they do even more new biome changes and save it all up for one more giant reset before we do something as drastic as that.
I say we stick with the plain update to 1.2 when it arrives (no naturally spawning jungles, sorry). The jungle items will be available to me in creative mode. This includes Ocelot eggs and in addition it is even possible to grow the giant jungle trees using four jungle saplings. I will probably make some "mini-Jungles" here and there, like how LegoBurner used to make the "mini-Nethers" before the nether was available in Multiplayer. I can even throw in some Ocelots...
If you were to reset now, just that we'd almost finished the pit, I'd probably have to murder you...
That said, in the event of a new world, I'd love my old house back from the old server. It took a double creeper attack and got completely obliterated...
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Polonius wrote:I categorically reject any statement that there is such a thing as too much boob.
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RIP Derpy the dog. Despite being told to sit he decided the best way to fight creepers wasn't simply to run at them. He decided the best course of action was to first jump into the fireplace then run at the creeper while on fire. Unfortunately I didn't manage a screenshot as all I really got to see of it was a flaming wolf run past as I heard a hiss. Sort of unexpected while fishing.
So Ocelot's are a fething waste of time. They don't "attack hostile mobs", they don't follow the player "as strictly as wolves", and they lack any "sit or stay" commands. Wtf?
Well my wolves do spend their entirety of life under my command sitting around the house due to their sheer stupidity. But I figured it'd at least follow you around and just use the wolf AI.
well reading the MC wiki it seems like they're even more pointless than wolves. They would just depress you after they follow you around for a while and then get killed by mobs haha
Just finished hollowing out a 11x5x11 (W/H/L) space for my indoor wheat farm. Time for digging and water placement.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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corpsesarefun wrote:If you want a hand with making a mini-jungle give me a shout dark, I'd be happy to help.
Sure, but obviously it won't be till 1.2 appears.
Jungles have leaf blocks all over the floor (one piece of wood here and there to keep the leaves in place) for a sort of underbrush. They have vines *every*where and a mix of oak, jungle and giant jungle trees. Sheep regularly spawn trapped inside the underbrush.
This might be a bug in the snapshot but I noticed I had to cut down about 8 jungle trees just to get 4 jungle tree saplings. Deforestation FTW.
I also noticed deserts seem to have much higher hills/dunes? But it could have just been the seed I tried (Tarzan).
Automatically Appended Next Post: The Tarzan seed doesn't spawn in a jungle btw, I had to explore a bit and use a boat. Whilst being shot by the new skelly AI hiding in caves to avoid sunlight. :-D
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I hope they didn't update the Blaze AI. I've managed to set up the Blaze spawner in our nether fort so that we can shoot them without being shot back and get easy xp and easy blaze rods.
I'm so glad I saved my blaze rods too, cause fire charges look epic.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Melissia wrote:I hope they didn't update the Blaze AI. I've managed to set up the Blaze spawner in our nether fort so that we can shoot them without being shot back and get easy xp and easy blaze rods.
IME it's much easier to simply set up a small area where blazes can spawn and hit them with your sword.
darkinnit wrote:Jungles have leaf blocks all over the floor (one piece of wood here and there to keep the leaves in place) for a sort of underbrush.
I thought leaves disappearing was removed in one of the beta releases?
He means leaves you manually place, not leaves which have naturally spawned.
biccat wrote:
Melissia wrote:I hope they didn't update the Blaze AI. I've managed to set up the Blaze spawner in our nether fort so that we can shoot them without being shot back and get easy xp and easy blaze rods.
IME it's much easier to simply set up a small area where blazes can spawn and hit them with your sword.
Oh we did that too, but the way it's set up you don't need to do anthing but shoot in..
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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