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 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:
All this mostly makes me wonder what sort of things they'll put up for sale when the turn rolls around to Chaos. I'm hoping for the Forsaken box and a smattering of 1988 champions. Considering some of the orc choices, I wouldn't be surprised to see the first multi-part plastic warrior set. I'm not betting on it but it would be funny.

I'm just hoping we don't have to wait a year to see WOC! Really need some Forsaken

I found my 10 old primered black Forsaken last week and I was so elated.

Some money into conversion trays later, I'm very glad I did not sell or trade away my WoC collection. It will be enough to at least try the game, sub-optimally
unit wise.

Have fun too -- those Forsaken will be cool to see re-released. Faces and sculpts only a mother could love.

You really built them as Forsaken? I mean, this kit was glorious, but they forgot to mention it's only for conversions and clearly not for a R&F unit.

The Orc Shaman and Orc command set are back in stock in the UK store, in case anyone else is waiting for them. I've been wanting to get my hands on those guys for a while, lovely minis.

I noticed the Giant has a "available while stocks last" on it. I wonder if that's a mistake or do they plan to replace him with the plastic kit currently being used in AoS. No other kits across the range has this message, it is very strange.

Yeah, curious. It is another one of those "very obviously WFB" kits though. It even has a square base on the sprue!

Weird, the Giant on the Australian store doesn't have that

Doubly so since Australians and New Zealanders get it shipped directly from the UK, this and the fact that none of the other stores have this message makes me believe it's just a mistake.

But if you're in the UK and are holding off on buying the O&G Giant, you might want to grab one sooner rather than later to be safe.

Pre-orders https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/20/saturday-pre-orders-darkoath-ravening-hordes-and-forces-of-fantasy/

Lol Elise sold out in my cart by 1:04 US time. Went from having like a $400 cart I was planning on buying to giving up and just ordering the Bret decal sheet.

Yeah I forgot she was going up on order today and she sold out - I'm not surprised she's one of the best looking new Bret models of the new wave

So the Men at Arms are $80 not $60 like I'd hoped. So maybe one box not two.

The prices definitely target nostalgia over sense. I mean £50 for one bone giant?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The prices definitely target nostalgia over sense. I mean £50 for one bone giant?

I'm not sure nostalgia plays into it. The Bone Giant is 62€. The latest plastic Daemon Prince is 65€ and barely larger than the model it replaced that came at half that price back in the day. It strikes me more like plain old 2024 GW prices.

Difference being the prince is new, plastic, extremely customizable for a gw kit and pulls double duty in multiple games. The giant has what, two extra heads? There's definitely some nostalgia preying going on in these releases

Three heads. That'll become relevant a little further down. Anyway, my last post was a bit rushed. I'll try to explain my thoughts in more detail.

The Daemon Prince is a model of roughly the same size as the Bone Giant. Unless something in GW's approach has changed that I've missed, they sell (Forge World) resin models at a higher price than (Citadel) plastic models that are roughly equivalent. That the price of the Bone Giant is a little lower gives me the impression that it gets a discount for not being shiny and new, like many Old World kits.

However, I do believe the thinking at GW may be that the Bone Giant doesn't qualify as a plain old model sold at a shiny new price. It's a resin remaster, so additional work went into it. The casting medium changed. They added an unreleased head. I could see them reason that combined this gives the giant enough of a new appearance that it doesn't have to match the discount they give on unchanged metal models of similar age.

Also I expect that like the Daemon Prince, the expectation of how many of the same model they can sell to a single customer plays into the price.

I consider these to be far more impactful than any nostalgia value attributed to the model. Of course that's just my opinion.

It is a large resin model, which by material an manufacturing cost should more expensive than similar sized plastic
60€ for that thing is cheap in GW standards and "normal" for large resin models

15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Not Online!!! wrote:
15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Cost wise it is...

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Cost wise it is...

€3.30ish per mini (not counting the fact that FLGS offering discount, and all the left overs for the bitz box) is bad?

I need to tell my boss to stop letting me have loo breaks, I'm earning too many wolf riders whilst not working.

I think GW games are only expensive if you let them dictate what models you must buy. For the most part, the plastics have been a steal (Not counting the chariot sets). Goblin kits are a convertors dream.

 Mallo wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Cost wise it is...

€3.30ish per mini (not counting the fact that FLGS offering discount, and all the left overs for the bitz box) is bad?

I need to tell my boss to stop letting me have loo breaks, I'm earning too many wolf riders whilst not working.

I think GW games are only expensive if you let them dictate what models you must buy. For the most part, the plastics have been a steal (Not counting the chariot sets). Goblin kits are a convertors dream.

TBF, It's still an absolute gak price for the age of the sprues AND technically not impressive at all considering what other companies offer, but for GW in relation for GW that is an ok price. For gw.

it's realistically no Ok.

 Mallo wrote:


I think GW games are only expensive if you let them dictate what models you must buy. For the most part, the plastics have been a steal (Not counting the chariot sets). Goblin kits are a convertors dream.

Eh, I dunno about that.
45 euros for a book that quickly becomes redundant and is mostly copy pasted is pretty silly.
Then we have things like destroyers which are over 30 euros for a single model. And destroyers are a primary damage dealer in a necron army.

There's a reason why people gripe about GW's prices. It's like they didn't learn from the goldswords debacle.

To compare apples to slightly different apples, Oathmark has 15 goblin wolf riders for 25GBP, so roughly half.

https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=14646

If you don't like them fine, if you have a persona attachment to the old Wolf Rider kit, great. But price wise, yeah, it's fair to say GW is charging a high premium on their 20+ year old Wolf Rider kit.

Yeah, they really didn't learn. They are making the same mistake they did with WHFB.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Eh, I dunno about that.
45 euros for a book that quickly becomes redundant and is mostly copy pasted is pretty silly.
Then we have things like destroyers which are over 30 euros for a single model. And destroyers are a primary damage dealer in a necron army.

There's a reason why people gripe about GW's prices. It's like they didn't learn from the goldswords debacle.

Oh I couldn't give a monkeys about GW rule books.

If you pay for them them expect them to be out of date before they even arrive at your door. Models last a life time (if you ignore the stupid stuff GW try to impart you on), but if you buy rules from GW for anything other than having a nice picture book on your shelf thats on you. The only reason I buy them is that I like picture books and generally I know if you wait a few months you can pick them up at the FLGS for a lot less than retail, even less if you wait 6 months and wait for people off load them. GW rulebooks are not fit for purpose.

But I find their plastic models are decent enough value, even if they do over charge for them compared to other companies. Again its just a case of not paying them much attention when they demand you buy three of them, shelve the old models due to a new unit/new edition, must take X upgrade to field said unit etc. A €50 box of wolf riders with plenty of options, bits to convert my own champions, compatible with other plastic goblin kits that will all last a lifetime of gaming. The only comparable product I can think of in plastic is the oathmark goblins which is about on par with the amount of bits and compatibility, and comes out slightly ahead in terms of value being about €15 cheaper here but subject to having to order from the UK and getting hit with import fees.

I also tend to ignore the stupid practice of doing things like putting 10/16 in a box and then pushing people to want to take units of 50/20. Thats where unit filers and 'almost' empty bases work wonders.

I'd not defend GW prices for stupid things like a €30 plastic champion though, when they had some champions around €14. Thats where they are being silly billies.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
To compare apples to slightly different apples, Oathmark has 15 goblin wolf riders for 25GBP, so roughly half.

https://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=14646

If you don't like them fine, if you have a persona attachment to the old Wolf Rider kit, great. But price wise, yeah, it's fair to say GW is charging a high premium on their 20+ year old Wolf Rider kit.

Nah I love the oathmark kits, I have about 150ish of the wolf riders for my middle earth project but some of them have slipped into my WFB army, hes partially painted now but the wolves are too good not to mix in with the GW ones. I wish I could buy the oathmark ones alone as I'd add a lot more to mix into the WFB army then!

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mallo wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Cost wise it is...

€3.30ish per mini (not counting the fact that FLGS offering discount, and all the left overs for the bitz box) is bad?

I need to tell my boss to stop letting me have loo breaks, I'm earning too many wolf riders whilst not working.

I think GW games are only expensive if you let them dictate what models you must buy. For the most part, the plastics have been a steal (Not counting the chariot sets). Goblin kits are a convertors dream.

TBF, It's still an absolute gak price for the age of the sprues AND technically not impressive at all considering what other companies offer, but for GW in relation for GW that is an ok price. For gw.

it's realistically no Ok.

StockholmSyndrome at its finest, honestly...

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mallo wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
15 wolfriders in plastic in one box?

Huh. that is not too bad.

Cost wise it is...

€3.30ish per mini (not counting the fact that FLGS offering discount, and all the left overs for the bitz box) is bad?

I need to tell my boss to stop letting me have loo breaks, I'm earning too many wolf riders whilst not working.

I think GW games are only expensive if you let them dictate what models you must buy. For the most part, the plastics have been a steal (Not counting the chariot sets). Goblin kits are a convertors dream.

TBF, It's still an absolute gak price for the age of the sprues AND technically not impressive at all considering what other companies offer, but for GW in relation for GW that is an ok price. For gw.

it's realistically no Ok.

StockholmSyndrome at its finest, honestly...

Not really. The bulk of my collection is made up of Oathmark, Victrix, Fireforge, Warlord games etc. A few extra boxes of GW wolf riders wouldn't even be noticeable amongst the oathmark or victrix stuff I have. They will hardly bankrupt me even at GW prices.

 kodos wrote:
It is a large resin model, which by material an manufacturing cost should more expensive than similar sized plastic
60€ for that thing is cheap in GW standards and "normal" for large resin models

But the casket and catapult are way cheaper, and are also in resin.

They're just all over the map with their prices. Tomb guard cheaper than when they released, metal infantry characters the same price as way back in the days of 6th and 7th, some stuff coming out in metal (common trolls). But then, the inverse; resin versions of old metal kits being way more expensive (ushabti, carrion), some plastic kits shooting right up (chariots), resin characters doubled the price of the metal ones.

GW prices are all over, always all the time

Looking at the casket, catapult and giant they are kind of reasonable for what they are, chunky resin models most likely made in traditional silicone moulds
(comparing it to the Mantic Frost Giant, which is twice the size and only partially resin, and costs 80€, the resin Giant from Conquest also double the site costs 140€)

Ushabti are whatever the guy was smoking by the time and the old metal models are in their own dimension

Yeah, fething hell, I just saw that the plastic Goblin Shaman is AUD$47. Used to be cheaper than the Lord of Plagues, now nearly twice as much. Bit hard to wrap my head around that.

From what I gather, GW's pricing model relates to how many you can field in an army. GW figures that they won't sell as many of certain models if one is only allowed in an army, so they jack the price way up.

 ShadowsAndDust wrote:
From what I gather, GW's pricing model relates to how many you can field in an army. GW figures that they won't sell as many of certain models if one is only allowed in an army, so they jack the price way up.

They must not play their own game then.
You needed a lot of certain units in WHFB 8th ed and they were still pretty expensive, and even in 40k units like destroyers are best fielded in squads of 6, and those are nearly 40 euros per model. That's 240 euros for a single unit, which is just obscene.

Yes, they don't play their own games