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**xttz**

Honestly as someone who has bought & played a lot with LI, this is a mixed reception from me. The saturnine & super-heavy kits are fantastic, and I want multiples for all of them.

However does anyone really plan to use a dedicated Araknae box? Seems like that unit could have been consolidated into something like the support units box with more variety, or just had something more interesting like Armigers released in the slot instead.

Why does the saturnine battlegroup box lock new kits behind unnecessary filler? Having no use for Fire Raptors, Araknae, or more Mastodons erodes the appeal. Also seeing the new-ish Vindicator & Mastodon in a discount box so quickly just makes me tempted to skip this release wave, and wait for discount boxes next time instead.

The combined arms boxes are decent for attracting new LI players, but we could really do with a new core starter set first. Perhaps GW still have too much stock of the old one lying around... GW are at least definitely trying to draw in more people though.

At the end of the day this wave is a whole new book for just 4 new kits, of which I expect only 3 will be popular. I really hope the next wave tries to be more adventerous with units that better take advantage of Epic scale, like Ordinatus engines or Capitol Imperialis.

**Overread**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Excellent wave of new models and discount boxes here. I do wonder if they're trying to make LI more affordable in the face of two direct competitors springing up since launch.

I feel like the two boxes are kind of like a Christmas release but not.

LI is already GW's cheapest larger scale game, esp if you get 3rd party.
The biggest problem right now is honestly its limited designspace. You've got Marines, Imperials and a smattering of Mechanicus alongside the Titans.
The game really really needs more creative space - at the very least Custodes, Sisters of Silence and a big expansion of Mechanicum.

Even then you're still trapped in 30K; esp as GW seems to not only trap it in 30K but also early 30K so you don't have demon titans or orks or eldar.

**kodos**

LI is trapped to whatever HH is doing, their releases are linked to a point as whatever is being designed is going to be featured in both games

so demon titans or w wider range of Mechanicum is going to come once this is a thing in HH as well, be it in LI first or not
expect Custodes to be there once they are out for HH the same way as Saturnine and Fellblades are released now for LI

it just isn't its own game in that regard as anything it needs cannot be done unless it also happens in HH (for whatever reason GW thinks this is needed)

**Matrindur**

kodos wrote:
LI is trapped to whatever HH is doing, their releases are linked to a point as whatever is being designed is going to be featured in both games

so demon titans or w wider range of Mechanicum is going to come once this is a thing in HH as well, be it in LI first or not
expect Custodes to be there once they are out for HH the same way as Saturnine and Fellblades are released now for LI

it just isn't its own game in that regard as anything it needs cannot be done unless it also happens in HH (for whatever reason GW thinks this is needed)

Except that the Dark Mechanicum stalkers are a new sub-faction for LI that didn't exist like this in HH and still doesn't.
Of course it might also come for HH in the future but the same could be true for anything else completely new they release in LI first

**Overread**

LI will get things HH won't and it will pull ahead of it. The question really is how far it can be allowed to pull ahead.

Simply put you can release way more for LI in a smaller time window than for HH. Also the whole customer purchase side is different too - you can't bloat it for a 6 months with another selection of Space Marines in slightly different marked versions of armour.

**Mr_Rose**

Y’know what I actually want from this set of previews? Those other Araknae in 30k scale. Twin punisher cannon particularly.
Also the big version of the Ascalon.

**Sotahullu**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Y’know what I actually want from this set of previews? Those other Araknae in 30k scale. Twin punisher cannon particularly.
Also the big version of the Ascalon.

Amen brother! Ability to throw bucket full of dice at your opponent or putting half of the table under a AP 3 template will never not be funny!

**RexHavoc**

As a E40k player, this release is on the money. I hadn't brought many of the last batch of releases. The new big box sets are a nice mix of the all kits I've not picked up yet from the last batch of kits, plus the new saturnine kits. So patience paid off for me here.

Really pleased to be getting a fellblade kit at last, its one kit I have an alternative already but will happily replace with the 'official' kit as I love the vehicle.

Don't really care about the Arcane journal style rules, and the araknae kit will probably show up in next years battleforce kit so that can probably wait as its not particular interesting. I usually leave kits like this as the sort of thing I pick up to get 'free' postage when I want to order small orders from my LFGS and nothing much else has been released that month.

**RazorEdge**

Sooner or later, a collection of Journals will bundled into another Hardcover Book again...

**ccs**

tauist wrote:
Journals for LI? This gets worse and worse.. first they eliminate ebook rules and now they go Journal on the game. I was already out when they dropped the ebooks, but this is just a pisstake by now

I dont fancy Egginators in any scale, and these new group boxes arent anything too interesting either. Still too stingy on the special snowflake bases, I'd rather just stock up on the Astartes infantry box

This reveal really missed the mark on the LI dept IMO

Why? Didn't you just state that you were already out? What do you care what they release for a game you're out of?

**Albertorius**

ccs wrote:
Why? Didn't you just state that you were already out? What do you care what they release for a game you're out of?

Because minis, I would assume, as you can just use them for other games?

Also, you can be out of the supplement treadmill and still play the game.

Lastly? Nobody need to explain gak, or justify their comments.

**Azazelx**

xttz wrote:

Why does the saturnine battlegroup box lock new kits behind unnecessary filler? Having no use for Fire Raptors, Araknae, or more Mastodons erodes the appeal. Also seeing the new-ish Vindicator & Mastodon in a discount box so quickly just makes me tempted to skip this release wave, and wait for discount boxes next time instead.

GW does this on a regular basis for both 40k and AoS. If you don't want the big box, you just have to wait. They've been doing buisiness like this for years now in the larger scales. Alternately, you could buy a 3d printer and sort much of the problem out yourself which in many ways is far easier for LI than 40k as tiny tanks print in FDM much more nicely than finely detailed 40k or AoS models.
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**Lord Damocles**

The solution to new models being bundled with old models you don't want is just to develop a basic level of self control - you don't need to buy the new models as soon as humanly possible. Just wait a short while for them to be released individually.
Being in the FOMO grinder is a choice.

**tauist**

ccs wrote:
tauist wrote:
Journals for LI? This gets worse and worse.. first they eliminate ebook rules and now they go Journal on the game. I was already out when they dropped the ebooks, but this is just a pisstake by now

I dont fancy Egginators in any scale, and these new group boxes arent anything too interesting either. Still too stingy on the special snowflake bases, I'd rather just stock up on the Astartes infantry box

This reveal really missed the mark on the LI dept IMO

Why? Didn't you just state that you were already out? What do you care what they release for a game you're out of?

I'm out of the game, but still very much keen on the miniatures, as they are game system agnostic. Still, doesnt disallow me from speaking in theoreticals in the line of "if I was still invested in playing this game, I'd..". The vast majority of internet noise is people speking their pathetic opinions about stuff, so I feel no guilt bro, we all do it

The reason why I'm still waiting for a bundle box to drop which gives me plenty of HS, Assault and Terimnator infantry is, I have only bought a single box of Astartes infantry so far. I feel like there should be a more cost effective way to get me good sized detachments of those.. and so far, we havent got one. I got my Rhinos, my Land Raiders, my Drop Pods, Dread and Palisade Pods, Rapiers and Tarantulas, Dreads, but I am still lacking on Assault Marines and Heavy Support (I have a very specific vision on how I want my Astartes army to look)

**HidaO-Win**

tauist wrote:
ccs wrote:
tauist wrote:
Journals for LI? This gets worse and worse.. first they eliminate ebook rules and now they go Journal on the game. I was already out when they dropped the ebooks, but this is just a pisstake by now

I dont fancy Egginators in any scale, and these new group boxes arent anything too interesting either. Still too stingy on the special snowflake bases, I'd rather just stock up on the Astartes infantry box

This reveal really missed the mark on the LI dept IMO

Why? Didn't you just state that you were already out? What do you care what they release for a game you're out of?

I'm out of the game, but still very much keen on the miniatures, as they are game system agnostic. Still, doesnt disallow me from speaking in theoreticals in the line of "if I was still invested in playing this game, I'd..". The vast majority of internet noise is people speking their pathetic opinions about stuff, so I feel no guilt bro, we all do it

The reason why I'm still waiting for a bundle box to drop which gives me plenty of HS, Assault and Terimnator infantry is, I have only bought a single box of Astartes infantry so far. I feel like there should be a more cost effective way to get me good sized detachments of those.. and so far, we havent got one

But a Saturnine Terminator box is part of a process by which you actually get 12 Terminator stands and 4 Command stands in the one box. The old sprue has two issues, it has such a spread of models you need four to get full detachments and the infantry models look worse than equivalent sprues from Armoured Clash and Epic Warpath. You can only fix that by making new sprues with new minis and this set is the first step in that direction.

The Saturnine Terminators have the advantage of being a bigger mini so easier to put detail on, but they are way above the old LI infantry, caveated of course by not having the sprues in hand to check every angle.

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Double checking the annoucement they say

"Not only do you get twelve Saturnine Terminator bases and two Saturnine Command squads, but also four massive Saturnine Dreadnoughts ready to lay down hefty fire support with either a heavy plasma bombard and disintegrator cannon or a graviton pulveriser and inversion beamer."

But the battle box contents by image is 12 Terminators, 4 Command Squads and 8 Saturnine Dreadnaughts so I would not be surprised if the stand along box is 6 Terminators, 2 Command Squads and 2 Dreadnaughts.

**Matrindur**

HidaO-Win wrote:

Double checking the annoucement they say

"Not only do you get twelve Saturnine Terminator bases and two Saturnine Command squads, but also four massive Saturnine Dreadnoughts ready to lay down hefty fire support with either a heavy plasma bombard and disintegrator cannon or a graviton pulveriser and inversion beamer."

But the battle box contents by image is 12 Terminators, 4 Command Squads and 8 Saturnine Dreadnaughts so I would not be surprised if the stand along box is 6 Terminators, 2 Command Squads and 2 Dreadnaughts.

The standalone for sure only has 6x as the image of the discount box shows 12x to the 4x command and 8x dreadnought bases.

Its easy to have a wrong text somehwere but harder for the image to be wrong without anybody noticing. Especially since its only "wrong" at the solo box contents and the text below for the discount box says 12x from 2x solo sets

**xttz**

Lord Damocles wrote:
The solution to new models being bundled with old models you don't want is just to develop a basic level of self control - you don't need to buy the new models as soon as humanly possible. Just wait a short while for them to be released individually.
Being in the FOMO grinder is a choice.

Oh I'm well aware. Earlier this year I kitbashed my own WE Slaughterbound rather than wait, or buy the battleforce full of unneeded models.

In this case it's frustrating because previous LI discount boxes were usually 4-5 kits, and when I only want three the discount would cancel that out and just make the unwanted stuff 'free'. But this new box is 6 kits for some reason, and will no doubt be priced high enough to cancel out any benefit.
Also I was kinda hoping to get a little project to work on over the xmas holidays, but don't expect to see the individually boxed Saturnine kits being out before new year.

**RazorEdge**

Which generic Legio Astartes Options are missing?

Vindicator Laser Destroyer?
AA-Tanks?
More infantry?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Good question.

In theory? A bunch of alternative Predator turrets. Whether that’s necessary in the small scale I’ve no particular opinion on.

Then there’s the Arquitor.

Potentially Legion Basilisk and Medusa.

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Infantry wise I kinda doubt we’ll see Legion Specific units. Again, like the Predator Turrets there’s the argument it’s just too small a scale to represent fairly minor differences.

Breachers I could see. Essentially a fairly standard Tactical Squad with some kind of bonus for taking/clearing out buildings.

Maybe add them into a hypothetical sprue with more Heavy, Support and Assault squad models.

**xttz**

As far as vehicles go there's not very many 28mm scale units left for marines:
Arquitor
Sicaran Venator
Stormbird
Vindicator destroyer
Possibly Dreadclaw/Kharybdis, not betting on them though.

Obviously there is a lot more infantry. It was interesting to see this new kit focused entirely on Saturnine, rather than getting one or two terminator stands combined with a wider selection of infantry. Wonder if that indicates GW are learning from putting too many unit types into a single sprue

**Matrindur**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

In theory? A bunch of alternative Predator turrets. Whether that’s necessary in the small scale I’ve no particular opinion on.

I'd say if Solar Auxilia can get three Leman Russ boxes, SM can also get more Predator sets. Not saying it has to happen but at least its not unlikely

**Azazelx**

tauist wrote:

I'm out of the game, but still very much keen on the miniatures, as they are game system agnostic. Still, doesnt disallow me from speaking in theoreticals in the line of "if I was still invested in playing this game, I'd..". The vast majority of internet noise is people speking their pathetic opinions about stuff, so I feel no guilt bro, we all do it

The reason why I'm still waiting for a bundle box to drop which gives me plenty of HS, Assault and Terimnator infantry is, I have only bought a single box of Astartes infantry so far. I feel like there should be a more cost effective way to get me good sized detachments of those.. and so far, we havent got one. I got my Rhinos, my Land Raiders, my Drop Pods, Dread and Palisade Pods, Rapiers and Tarantulas, Dreads, but I am still lacking on Assault Marines and Heavy Support (I have a very specific vision on how I want my Astartes army to look)

Realistically, you may be waiting forever if you have a very speific set of models that you want and also require them to be in a discount bundle box for you to be willing to purchase them. As we all know, GW doesn't give one iota what any of us "feel there should be" so if you really do like and want (some of) the models, your options realistically are to buy them in their regular release boxes from a discounter, look around on eBay and secondhand/buy-swap-sell groups or (ahem) manufacture your own ...3rd party proxies. Somehow. Or etsy something similar.

I of course purchase new GW products from discount retailers like a good boy (seriously), but I also utlise other options. On a completely unrelated note, feel free to click my blog link below and search for "glaive". As the BBC says "other brands are available".

**tauist**

Azazelx wrote:
tauist wrote:

I'm out of the game, but still very much keen on the miniatures, as they are game system agnostic. Still, doesnt disallow me from speaking in theoreticals in the line of "if I was still invested in playing this game, I'd..". The vast majority of internet noise is people speking their pathetic opinions about stuff, so I feel no guilt bro, we all do it

The reason why I'm still waiting for a bundle box to drop which gives me plenty of HS, Assault and Terimnator infantry is, I have only bought a single box of Astartes infantry so far. I feel like there should be a more cost effective way to get me good sized detachments of those.. and so far, we havent got one. I got my Rhinos, my Land Raiders, my Drop Pods, Dread and Palisade Pods, Rapiers and Tarantulas, Dreads, but I am still lacking on Assault Marines and Heavy Support (I have a very specific vision on how I want my Astartes army to look)

Realistically, you may be waiting forever if you have a very speific set of models that you want and also require them to be in a discount bundle box for you to be willing to purchase them. As we all know, GW doesn't give one iota what any of us "feel there should be" so if you really do like and want (some of) the models, your options realistically are to buy them in their regular release boxes from a discounter, look around on eBay and secondhand/buy-swap-sell groups or (ahem) manufacture your own ...3rd party proxies. Somehow. Or etsy something similar.

I of course purchase new GW products from discount retailers like a good boy (seriously), but I also utlise other options. On a completely unrelated note, feel free to click my blog link below and search for "glaive". As the BBC says "other brands are available".

I admit my needs are quite specific and like you say, GW might never give me what I want. But its also only a matter of time until bitz sellers get around to offering LI stuff easier, and when they do, its just a matter of waiting for stock to appear and buying HS / Asssault marines individually. I'm in no rush with this stuff, and I collect enough 40K related stuff so that I always have something to buy whenever I allocate funds for it, so its not like GW is losing money from me.

The point made about the new Saturnine kit is interesting however. If GW had made a box like that, but used "regular" terminators in it instead of Saturnines, it'd be exactly what people like me are after. Just happens to be the wrong kind of terminators for me..

**zedmeister**

RazorEdge wrote:
Which generic Legio Astartes Options are missing?

Vindicator Laser Destroyer?
AA-Tanks?
More infantry?

Here's a list I keep track of (Not including Legion unique units):

Artillery
Arquitor (Morbus Bombard, Spicula Launcher, Graviton Charge Cannon)

Transport
Dreadclaw
Kharybdis
Land Raider Achilles
Land Raider Carrier

Battle tank
Vindicator Laser Destroyer
Predator (Missing weapon options)
- Plasma Executioner
- Heavy Conversion Beamer
- Magna Melta
- Flamestorm Cannon
- Neutron Laser
- Volkite
- Graviton Cannon
Sicaran Venator

Aircraft
Sokar Stormbird

Bastion
Tarantulas (Melta Array, Volkite Culverins, Frag Missiles, Heavy Bolters)
Rapier (Quad Heavy Bolters, Graviton Cannon)

Core
Infantry Core
- MkII
- MkIII
- MkIV
- MkV

Infantry Core Special Options
- Veterans
- Breachers
- Mortalis Destroyers
- Recon Marines
- Assault Destroyers
- Seekers
- Despoilers

Support
Infantry Support Weapons
- Flamer
- Rotor Cannon
- Volkite Charger
- Volkite Caliver
- Disintegrator Rifle
- Disintegrator Blaster

Infantry Heavy Weapons
- Heavy Flamer
- Multimelta
- Plasma Cannon
- Heavy Bolter
- Volkite Culverin
- Disintegrator Cannon

Terminators
Tartaros Terminators
Missing Cataphractii Weapons

Dreadnought (Missing weapons)
- Leviathan Graviton Bombard
- Deredeo Volkite Falconette
- Deredeo Aracnus Lascannon
- Deredeo Boreas Missiles
- Contemptor Chainfist
- Contemptor Power Claw
- Contemptor Multi Melta
- Contemptor Plasma Cannon
- Contemptor Heavy Bolters
- Contemptor Conversion Beamer
- Contemptor Volkite Dual Culverin

Esoterics
(These are unlikely to appear, but I include them as we may be surprised)

HQ
Damocles Rhino

Support
'Cobra' type Terminators
'Furibundus' / 'Lucifer' Dreadnought
Castraferrum Dreadnought

Vanguard
Land Speeder Tempest
Spatha Attack Bike
Estoc Jetbike
Hussar Bikes

Artillery
Medusa
Basilisk
Whirlwind Hyperios
Stalker
Hunter

Air Support
Caestus Assault Ram
Thunderhawk Transporter

Transport
Razorback
- Lascannons
- Heavy Bolters
- Lascannon + Plasma Guns
- Assault Cannons
- Multimelta

Heavy Armour
Hercules 'heavy tank'