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If they’re going older marks, we could end up with a Furibundus or even a Lucifer pattern dreadnought. Mentioned a few times in the lore to be an older dreadnought pattern

But is there any way to make a Furibundus not look stupid?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Unless it is brand new, Dreadnought being the Deredeo with alternate weapons would make sense. And gun emplacement sounds like it could be a Rapier.

Unless I misunderstood the Dreadnought is also supposed to be a Saturnine pattern Dreadnought so likely completely new.

Valrak said Saturnine Dreadnought here

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But is there any way to make a Furibundus not look stupid?

The re-imagined Chuck and Eddy, why not Fury too?

I reckon the Furibundus could be a line dreadnought. Non compulsory troops. Smaller and more compact armed with bolters, Volkites or rotor cannons and powerfists. Kind of like Thallax.

Well if we are going to see a new dreadnought, despite Furibundus actual potential, I am going to assume its either Deredeo with other options (most likely) or Ferratum -pattern.

Although I am bit still skeptical that we are going to see Salamander vs Iron Warrior set at it is.

Yea I'll believe the new box when I see it, but a second Dorito is inevitable.

Nearly as inevitable as the third, fourth, or fifth Pringle.

Photoshop gurus...your services are desired again. A tube of Doritos with Dreadnought arms, with the mark of Horus...ah, man, that would be so funny.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I'll believe the new box when I see it, but a second Dorito is inevitable.

Never liked the Deredeo until I realized it was based on the Space Crusade dreadnought. Well, I'm still not a fan, but ... I'm okay with it. And I don't play marines anyway.

Assuming that saturnine terminators and saturnine dreads have similar features. Assuming they go with the fanon of saturnine being the one rogue trader mark...



... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

 cole1114 wrote:
Assuming that saturnine terminators and saturnine dreads have similar features. Assuming they go with the fanon of saturnine being the one rogue trader mark...



... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

Isn't there the art of those terminators with heavy guns on their backs? They could focus on ranged fire, like a a TDA armored version of a heavy support squad. Not sure on the Dreadnought, as we have the Deredeo to fill that role already. Maybe go the opposite and have multiple lighter weapons to deal with hordes, like lightning claws instead of heavy fists, then the two could complement each other.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
Never liked the Deredeo until I realized it was based on the Space Crusade dreadnought. Well, I'm still not a fan, but ... I'm okay with it. And I don't play marines anyway.

I did not realise that was its inspiration. Now it's been pointed out, I can see it.

 cole1114 wrote:

... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

As far as Saturnine terminators are concerned, if this rumour has any substance, the thinking would be that (1) termies are very popular in HH so the more the merrier, (2) it's another design that goes back to RT, and therefore eligible for inclusion in HH, and (3) it looks cool(?). In fact, it's a fairly ridiculous design, vaguely inspired by 'Alien', that bears little resemblance to the aesthetic of any other models. Perhaps it would be intended to have more firepower than the other termies - some versions of it include a weapon above the head. No idea what the point of a dreadnought version would be.

I think Saturnines can look good



This sculptor even had a back mounted vortex missile option

Sorry, no source, they got DMCA'd

I don't think aesthetic variants need a specific "role" or unique game rules.

Horus Heresy as a game system started after the success of the FW cosmetic upgrade packs released alongside their 40k Badab War books. These included the original releases of MkII through VI resin units, resin sets of old pattern weaponry, and the original Tartaros resin Terminators (when this was still a cosmetic variant of TDA, not a slight upgrade to Indomitus). These were very popular and later used as the starting line-up for the Horus Heresy. All of this was purely cosmetic, none of them had different rules to the contemporary plastic kits from GW proper.

People like to see variety in their units and armies, especially if it comes with a nostalgia hit. Saturnine Terminators could be identical to Indomitus in rules terms and some people would still buy them. I went to the effort of converting Imperial Fists pre-Heresy Indomitus because they had a lot of suits in their lore, even though it was a straight nerf compared to Tartaros in HH1.

IIRC Saturnine Terminators appeared in the Horus Heresy CCG that Sabretooth Games released about 20 years ago. A lot of the art from that I think got reused in Visions of Heresy and then got used as concept art, certainly the Contemptor Dreadnaughts appeared that way.

The art certainly originates from Visions of Heresy, but I don’t think it ever named it as Saturnine.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The art certainly originates from Visions of Heresy, but I don’t think it ever named it as Saturnine.

That’s ok, neither did the original model. Or any other “official” source I’m aware of. The term has been associated with the model mostly entirely by fans, so it could really look like anything. Gav Thorpe used the name in one of his books but either didn’t describe it, or the description doesn’t match the “egg” pattern model at all.

HidaO-Win wrote:
IIRC Saturnine Terminators appeared in the Horus Heresy CCG that Sabretooth Games released about 20 years ago. A lot of the art from that I think got reused in Visions of Heresy and then got used as concept art, certainly the Contemptor Dreadnaughts appeared that way.

Canonically this is a salamanders specific mark, prototype armor designed by Vulkan. They were going to be deployed at the dropsite massacre, but Vulkan ordered them not to be used to avoid capture. The next time the same salamanders wearing them were seen, they weren't in terminator armor at all.

Also canonically, saturnine armor is "functionally identical" to tartaros and indomitus, the only difference is in aesthetics... which have never been definitively tied to any art or model.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The art certainly originates from Visions of Heresy, but I don’t think it ever named it as Saturnine.

That’s ok, neither did the original model. Or any other “official” source I’m aware of. The term has been associated with the model mostly entirely by fans, so it could really look like anything. Gav Thorpe used the name in one of his books but either didn’t describe it, or the description doesn’t match the “egg” pattern model at all.

Saturnine Terminator Armor is called out by name in the Heresy rulebook in the Armor development timeline.



Whether it's this specific style or not is the question. We have seen Gav Thorpe refer to that style as "Nocturne Pattern", though.

unrelated to anything going on in the thread, but the melee upgrade kits that my gf and i ordered finally arrived, and it's truly an all-around great kit, but my favorite little detail is this head

this can totally pass as a lesbian with a sidecut. makes it just the slightest bit easier to get female space marines into my heresy forces

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
unrelated to anything going on in the thread, but the melee upgrade kits that my gf and i ordered finally arrived, and it's truly an all-around great kit, but my favorite little detail is this head

this can totally pass as a lesbian with a sidecut. makes it just the slightest bit easier to get female space marines into my heresy forces

How good are you at sculpting hair tho?

https://hfminis.co.uk/product/human-female-heads-b/

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
unrelated to anything going on in the thread, but the melee upgrade kits that my gf and i ordered finally arrived, and it's truly an all-around great kit, but my favorite little detail is this head

this can totally pass as a lesbian with a sidecut. makes it just the slightest bit easier to get female space marines into my heresy forces

How good are you at sculpting hair tho?

https://hfminis.co.uk/product/human-female-heads-b/

not at all! i'm good enough at greenstuff that i can make circles, and sometimes fill in gaps, but i'd need to practice more for that. appreciate the idea, tho! will have to keep it in mind

Statuesque Miniatures has great female heads, both feminine and the more blunt Astartes shaped and sized ones: https://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/

that seems a lot easier for me. shipping means i'm not gonna drop money on these right away, but next time i'm thinking about importing from overseas, i'll give this a look
appreciate it

You guys are getting me all fired up again, with all this talk of Saturnine Terminator Armor models!

Are these rumors from reputable sources? Is there a better than decent chance we're actually getting them?

Getting 1st edition Space Hulk vibes from those chaps.

 Alpharius wrote:
You guys are getting me all fired up again, with all this talk of Saturnine Terminator Armor models!

Are these rumors from reputable sources? Is there a better than decent chance we're actually getting them?

the guy we're hearing these rumors has a very high accuracy rate at this point. called EC and krieg next year for 40k, and the recent kill team box, and a lot of other things

when he says something is happening, i believe him

But, always keep in mind Valrak is a rumour aggregator.

He’s only reporting what he’s been told - but has the good graces to tell us when it’s from a proven source, or an unproven source.

His hit rate as a result is not 100%, and I don’t know what the rate is, but it is solid enough that where he absolutely benefits from the benefit of the doubt.

The other thing is that Valrak is pretty reliable for the general units, but bloody awful at the names (doubly so if not a Marine unit). His main source doesn't seem to know the names and Valrak seems to have a fairly poor grasp of the lore when trying to fill in the gaps from the description.

New Terminators is likely to be more reliable than specifically new Saturnine Terminators. Same goes for the Dreadnought. Although Saturnine is the main missing Terminator pattern from the model range in general, it is plausible a different pattern is used. For example, Indomitus pattern doesn't have a Heresy-era kit!