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Including bombs and missile would increase to sprue size and jacking the price up to 50 like the Eavy Bomber.. I'll take the 10$ saved over bombs and missiles anyday.

In a long run when more aircrafts are introduced and they also had to take missile and bombs from thunderbolt kit, maybe that'd be a problem. Right now, not much.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
I've personally only gotten the orks, and while I'd love a few more extras, I definitely think they're worth it. Working on turning my Dakkajets into biplanes and due to the nature of orks they seem ripe for conversions in general.

I do agree that, from what I've seen, the Imperial options are more limited... it's part of the reason I've held off on them, hoping to wait for another of the factions to pair off against my greenskins.


I'd need two forces because otherwise it'd never see play instead of "most likely never see play", so I I might have to start with the problematic starter. I vastly prefer the Orks -though some Vendettas might change that - and 3 dakkajets seems low. 9 seem a bit much and I'd want the Eavy Bommers, too, so a box of everything plus bigger map is too much to start out, starter plus fightas plus Eavy Bommers is also €€€ intensive. Maybe I'll get some from ebay.

Or get to 9 in a couple of months , cause I'd need a A-10, an X- Wing and a F-16 fighta for sure as "fun" models and some regular ones, of course. Grot Bombs, too, but until they release I might slap some together from 40k bits and the guns with grots.

If Eldar were out I'd have no choice but to get a Hemlock fighter wing.

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Yeah, the starter set numbers are a bit weird and can lead to odd amounts when tossing in regular kits. Unless you do Fighta-bommers, one can never have enough of those!

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 Binabik15 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The Bommers are up on the New Zealand webstore for preorder. Looks like they’re a more expensive kit than the other AI sets, not sure why they would be given they don’t look any bigger than the Destroyers and are still just 2 sprues.



Do the AI models feel "worth it" for their asking price? Are they fun to build? How easy would they be to hack apart and rebuilt, because for all the claimed options on the GW site the two models shown are way to same-y. Eavy Bommers might push me over the edge for AI, but the local GWs and FLGS didn't even have AI models to advertise them, so I have no real idea of their clarity of detail and for size only internet comparison pics (often from this thread). I did finally get to see an AT knight, though!




I think they are worth it for me, but it's pretty subjective. They're well made kits, pretty good detail, go together easily. The only seams I felt I needed to deal with after gluing them together were the ones on the Dakkajets, because the line where the two halves come together stands out a bit, other than that they're pretty nice.

That said, purely as a kit, I don't think they're worth it in the sense other manufacturers (like Eduard for example, who mostly make low volume kits that are more expensive than the likes of Revell or Airfix) make 1/144 scale aircraft that are similar quality (better in some ways worse in others) that actually come with clear plastic canopies and are also cheaper.

BUT, those kits are historic models, not 40k, so if you want 40k models that you can play a game with, that adds some value to the GW kits (though there are a few rulesets out there for playing with historic models too).
   
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I ordered the starter yesterday, though a pic of the fighter wing made of "just" a box of dakkajets and fighta-bommas each on the GW page made me think hard on going the individual boxes route, though. Ten planes allow for two different colour schemes right off the bat, but I'm growing fond of the Thunderbolts as well and three boxes, big map and Rynn book to test it out felt a bit much.

Got a slight urge to turn a scale model carrier into a Ork heli carrier now. Or a trukk/battlewagon into a giant land-based carrier vehicle. I blame the Deff Skwadron.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:


That said, purely as a kit, I don't think they're worth it in the sense other manufacturers (like Eduard for example, who mostly make low volume kits that are more expensive than the likes of Revell or Airfix) make 1/144 scale aircraft that are similar quality (better in some ways worse in others) that actually come with clear plastic canopies and are also cheaper.


I have the 2006 1/144 Edguard ME 262 on the sprue and the quality is absolutely NOT on par with GW, by a long shot. Extremely shallow panel line, shallow canon hole, flat and lack rivet mark on most part, the wheel is smooth with no texture, same for the chair and the interior cockpit is also flat and lack detail, the mold had error, thus create a hole in the pilot chair.

GW kit had both rivet, and bolt mark, while also had deep panel line. and it wouldn't be hard for them to make the Me 262 nose into multiple piece so they can have a very deep hole for the cannons.

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Chopstick wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:


That said, purely as a kit, I don't think they're worth it in the sense other manufacturers (like Eduard for example, who mostly make low volume kits that are more expensive than the likes of Revell or Airfix) make 1/144 scale aircraft that are similar quality (better in some ways worse in others) that actually come with clear plastic canopies and are also cheaper.


I have the 2006 1/144 Edguard ME 262 on the sprue and the quality is absolutely NOT on par with GW, by a long shot. Extremely shallow panel line, shallow canon hole, flat and lack rivet mark on most part, the wheel is smooth with no texture, same for the chair and the interior cockpit is also flat and lack detail, the mold had error, thus create a hole in the pilot chair.

GW kit had both rivet, and bolt mark, while also had deep panel line. and it wouldn't be hard for them to make the Me 262 nose into multiple piece so they can have a very deep hole for the cannons.



I haven't seen the 2006 release of the 262, I've seen the 2012 release of the Spitfire and thought it was pretty good, maybe they improved over that time, 2006 is 13 years ago now, models have come a long way in that time. At this scale you don't really need an interior at all, but a clear canopy is still nice (you just paint the interior and give it a wash, you can't really see what's going on inside the cockpit anyway).

As I said, better in some ways, worse in others. I'd rather have a clear canopy and no interior (you can still always just paint the canopy in) than GW's only option where you're forced to paint it.

As for panel lines, at this scale panel lines should be as fine as possible on a historic kit, and rivet detail is absurd at 1/144 let alone the 1/200-ish that the AI models should be. It's arguable whether 1/48 and 1/32 aircraft kits should have rivet detail as they'd still be so small you'd barely see them if they were properly scaled, let alone 100th+ scale models. Just think about how big the panel lines are on the AI kits, maybe 0.5 to 1mm large? At 1/200 that means in real life the panel gaps would be 4 to 8 inches wide and deep It's fine for a GW model to have such comical features, but historic kits need to balance shoving a lot of detail on to the kit with making them look unrealistic.

But as I said in my previous post, I don't think the GW kits are bad, in fact I said I thought they were pretty good.... but I think for the level of quality you get the price is still pretty bad, but if you want 40k planes they're your only option.

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Not the place to discuss the quality of model kits chaps.

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 Binabik15 wrote:
I'd need two forces because otherwise it'd never see play instead of "most likely never see play..."

<snip>

If Eldar were out I'd have no choice but to get a Hemlock fighter wing.


According to FW on the Twitch feed, they've already got 3 more factions developed, one of which is purportedly Eldar.
   
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 schoon wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
I'd need two forces because otherwise it'd never see play instead of "most likely never see play..."

<snip>

If Eldar were out I'd have no choice but to get a Hemlock fighter wing.


According to FW on the Twitch feed, they've already got 3 more factions developed, one of which is purportedly Eldar.


By that they probably meant rules wise, not sculpts. Eldar would fit into the game really well though, so would Tau.

 
   
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The footnotes imply Albia is Britain when it's Albania and the best Legion recruited from there. I hope the Ordo Cartographicus is on the case


Eldar would be lovely*, but depending on the actual Thunderbolt models and if I'll be gifted a box of Dakkajets I might end up with expanded Imperial Navy *and* Orks before too long and maybe should just have gotten individual boxes in the first place. First they have to make their way across the channel. though, pretty slow planes if they left Monday and still aren't here.

*Hemlocks vs. Vultures would not be fair, but really pretty to look at.

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Actually 'Albion' is an alternative name for Great Britain, used in old timey poetry, etc. That's probably the 'Albia' connection.

 
   
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Looks like Grot Bommer is slated for December (not much of a surprise).
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Actually 'Albion' is an alternative name for Great Britain, used in old timey poetry, etc. That's probably the 'Albia' connection.


Yes, I know. GW still messed up their faux-"legendary countries of the Unification Wars" terminology here.

* Devon was part of Albia on Old Terra, circa M2.


Not Albion, Albia. Those heretics need a purging.

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 Elbows wrote:
Actually 'Albion' is an alternative name for Great Britain, used in old timey poetry, etc. That's probably the 'Albia' connection.


Albia is one of the Techno-barbarian Empires on Old Terra, it's part of the North Atlan basin and where the ancient poet Shakespire comes from apparently.
   
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They probably tease the Grot bommer this weekend, hopefully they have something else to show.

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 Binabik15 wrote:


The footnotes imply Albia is Britain when it's Albania and the best Legion recruited from there. I hope the Ordo Cartographicus is on the case


Eldar would be lovely*, but depending on the actual Thunderbolt models and if I'll be gifted a box of Dakkajets I might end up with expanded Imperial Navy *and* Orks before too long and maybe should just have gotten individual boxes in the first place. First they have to make their way across the channel. though, pretty slow planes if they left Monday and still aren't here.

*Hemlocks vs. Vultures would not be fair, but really pretty to look at.


I still say the best approach is two starters. Gives full squadrons of everything with enough discount that any superflous Marauders are free anyway.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:


The footnotes imply Albia is Britain when it's Albania and the best Legion recruited from there. I hope the Ordo Cartographicus is on the case


Eldar would be lovely*, but depending on the actual Thunderbolt models and if I'll be gifted a box of Dakkajets I might end up with expanded Imperial Navy *and* Orks before too long and maybe should just have gotten individual boxes in the first place. First they have to make their way across the channel. though, pretty slow planes if they left Monday and still aren't here.

*Hemlocks vs. Vultures would not be fair, but really pretty to look at.


I still say the best approach is two starters. Gives full squadrons of everything with enough discount that any superflous Marauders are free anyway.


One of my main gripes with the AI release is how every option seems like a bad option. You can buy 2 starter sets and that gives you the most planes per dollar, but you end up with more marauders than you'll want and once you subtract off the value of them, you might as well have bought them separately (I still haven't even built the 2 extra Marauders I got in my 2nd boxed set). You get 2 rulebooks which you can share with a friend, but still it's an incomplete rulebook and you'll want to get the Rynn's World one. You get 2 hex poster gaming areas, but they're really too small to be useful and even if you combine them next to each other you end up with a really narrow table.

There just doesn't seem any way to get value out of the AI release, no matter which way you look you aren't saving much money and don't feel like you're getting a good deal.

Still, I like me some tiny planes so I've dropped way too much money on AI But it makes it hard to convince my friends to get in on it when there's nothing I can point to and say "that's a good deal, start there".
   
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Maybe they'll bring out a 'Flight Group' box kinda like they did with AT and the maniple box.

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 godswildcard wrote:
Maybe they'll bring out a 'Flight Group' box kinda like they did with AT and the maniple box.

That's a very good idea!
   
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 Binabik15 wrote:

The footnotes imply Albia is Britain when it's Albania and the best Legion recruited from there. I hope the Ordo Cartographicus is on the case

Albania is apparently Bania, at least as much as FW is concerned, they used this term several times and it's not like it can be anything else.

Still, yeah, what Albia is exactly has never been defined and there are IIRC 4 or 5 competing fan theories...
   
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Although that article seems to suggest all but one o those "fan theories" is a load of hot air.
   
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Grot Bommer!
   
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I like this one more than the eavy bommer, might get a set if it costs the same.

Unfortunately the card play board sold out on the US site. If they can't keep a playable surface for this game in stock when it 100% needs one to even play it then that is a bad sign. I know people are going to say use 3rd party mats but that won't fly when my LGS is a GW.

 
   
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That looks so sweet!! Much better than the Eavy Bommer, imo . Hopefully it comes with 4 grot bombs, if not I'll just have to kitbash some from other bits.

Can't wait

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 Thargrim wrote:
I like this one more than the eavy bommer, might get a set if it costs the same.

Unfortunately the card play board sold out on the US site. If they can't keep a playable surface for this game in stock when it 100% needs one to even play it then that is a bad sign. I know people are going to say use 3rd party mats but that won't fly when my LGS is a GW.


it is a double edged sword, if it's sold out due to higher than expected demand, that's a good thing. If it's due to under producing to ensure not being left with unsold merchandise(for a new system no less) then it is wrong.

I really like the grot bommer and will most likely grabbing some (when budget allows..damn Sororitas)in the future.

they really need to get a move on to the other factions before it loses steam.
   
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Wasn't expecting this but it's nice to see Ork players getting some love.


Reading's for morons who can't understand pictures.

 
   
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The Grot Bommer is beautiful! Will be a nice addition to my Ork forces.

Is the game map OS now?
   
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Looks like the map is removed from the online store everywhere now.

And the Bommer is amazing, it'll nicely stand in as a regular Bommer as well in a jiffy.

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