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Probably Red Grief is different now, yes.

Bikes being able to advance and charge and their blades buffable now by the drugs are going to be pretty good. Also 6++ and the Obsession you pick... Same for Hellions.

The Realspace Raiders rule again leaves nothing for me to be interested in.

It's doubtful that I will be using this Force organization.

It forces me to take one of each type of troop and HQ which I hate because it makes my army look like a hodge podge of units. I've already kit bashed all of my Warriors and Wyches together to make them look the same, just with different weapon load outs. I can't stand non-conformity.

Also, you need to take another detachment to take Drazhar which I am absolutely doing because he's a fething beat stick and a half. And also my fav DE hero.

I'll just take the standard Battalion and spend the extra 3 command points to get a spearhead detachment to fit 3 Talos in.

If we're lucky we'll be able to take any unit in any detachment, just not gain the bonus for them if they don't fall under the specific <Kabal><Coven><Cult>.

I would love to take a big unit of Reavers in my Kabal if I could.

I would drop one of my 3 units of Warriors for a unit of Wyches too if at all possible.

There's a lot of changes to PfP it looks like. I think it very likely that we will see many changes to wargear and Obsessions.

Red Grief doesn't really work anymore. Insensible to Pain and Flickerfields don't work anymore either assuming PfP is standard on vehicles and monsters like it appears to be. Things like Ghostplate might not be a thing, or should have their rules changed to reflect the new PfP chart.

You can still take the Raiding Force, 3 patrols for no CP and it can be any 3 DE obsessions. Realspace is AoS as 1 detachment, which I like.

The problem I have with it is that if forces me to take units that I don't want to take. I don't really want a Succubus or Wracks. So consequently I don't want to take Cult or Coven patrols.

We'll see how things pan out. I'm not going to complain or be happy about something I know little about.

I guess thats a valid opinion, though I question the decision to play Dark Eldar, one of the armies in the game that has the most unique and distinct looking units, if you hate nonconformity....

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
The problem I have with it is that if forces me to take units that I don't want to take. I don't really want a Succubus or Wracks. So consequently I don't want to take Cult or Coven patrols.

We'll see how things pan out. I'm not going to complain or be happy about something I know little about.

Well I want many of the characters back, we can't always get everything we want, the book IMO is going to be much better and easier to make the army you want than before at least. You can still always just take normal detachments and pay the CP, at least we have 2 options that no other army has.

Well I want many of the characters back, we can't always get everything we want, the book IMO is going to be much better and easier to make the army you want than before at least. You can still always just take normal detachments and pay the CP, at least we have 2 options that no other army has.

As do I. It does seem like the book will be much better, so I am excited for that. I will probably end up taking a normal detachment, we'll see.

I guess thats a valid opinion, though I question the decision to play Dark Eldar, one of the armies in the game that has the most unique and distinct looking units, if you hate nonconformity....

I love the look of the DE Archons, Warriors and Incubi. Sharp, Dark, Menacing. One of the main reasons that Dark Elves were my main army in Warhammer Fantasy. I just need uniformity in my armies. I like an army to look like an army, not a bunch of random pieces stuck together. Its why I like Space Marines so much, all of their armour is the same, baring their elites and scouts. I hate Death Watch because they're all from different chapters. I hate that daemons are all different colours. Eldar where every unit looks different. Taste the rainbow? No thanks.

I always purposefully make most of my units look basically the same, baring exceptions like Elite units.

My army has a completely different aesthetic, being a hodgepodge of various kits meant to look like a rabble of spire gangers, heavily featuring hellions and reavers.

I've got the same problem though, that look/theme doesn't leave alot of room for surgically altered mutant slaves.

My army has a completely different aesthetic, being a hodgepodge of various kits meant to look like a rabble of spire gangers, heavily featuring hellions and reavers

See, and thats really cool. I'm glad you built an awesome army that goes with your image of the army you love. Thats whats great about the hobby is choices, and sometimes (in the case of Dark Eldar HQ's) lack there of.

It takes all kinds of fruit to make fruit cup.

It occurs to me, that with any luck Trueborn and Blood rides maybside step the need for an extra slot in our transports a for HQ choices.
Might not bee the solution I was hopping for, but it is a solution of sorts.

as far as the detatchments go...

i've read raiding forces as basically:

patrols never cost CP
it doesnt matter how many or what sub-factions they are. and as long as you dont mix factions INSIDE a patrol you always get your faction buffs

so you could take for example two kabal patrols and one wych. they all get their respective obsession and you can choose your warlord freely (the warlord determines which type of relics you can choose)


The realspace one... i dont get really...
they say all units gain a drukhari obsession... so all units get the same?? or do you choose for each cult?
nonetheless one benefit of the realspace detatchment seems to be, that you can choose from all cult relics instead of only the warlord's one

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You can still take the Raiding Force, 3 patrols for no CP and it can be any 3 DE obsessions. Realspace is AoS as 1 detachment, which I like.

Important to note you no longer need to take 3. You can 2 patrols and not pay CP for it which is great for the usual Kabal + Coven armies.

 Ordana wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
You can still take the Raiding Force, 3 patrols for no CP and it can be any 3 DE obsessions. Realspace is AoS as 1 detachment, which I like.

Important to note you no longer need to take 3. You can 2 patrols and not pay CP for it which is great for the usual Kabal + Coven armies.

Good point. As long as you are only DE and Unaligned this is a great option, and we can still do the refund CP for a WL and take allies or other detachments like Spearhead if we wanted too.

That's also nice for bringing drukhari as allies. Even losing PFP isn't that big a deal on a lot of units (especially of the vehicle persuasion) so if you do want to soup, the fact that you can soup with full CP is a nice perk.

Drukhari as allies breaks the spell. You loose CP then.

However, does it seems you can mix canals in different detachments and not loose CP, if that is what you meant.

ah, nope, just forgot about the "every detachment in your army is a DRUKHARI patrol" and just read it as "every detachment in your army that is a DRUKHARI patrol"

You said the same thing twice.

But yeah, drukhari soup here we go.

is Raiding force the only way to get Drazhar in? Or will he get the option to command a kabal, cult or coven I wonder? Like Ghaz can be a hq of Evil Sunz without breaking the Klan rule

 Niiai wrote:
You said the same thing twice.

But yeah, drukhari soup here we go.

No, I mixed a word around. I thought it was "any time you make a drukhari patrol detachment it's 0cp" and it actually is "if EVERY detachment you have is a drukhari patrol detachment". That's my bad, I just got things switched around in my head.


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 Elfric wrote:
is Raiding force the only way to get Drazhar in? Or will he get the option to command a kabal, cult or coven I wonder? Like Ghaz can be a hq of Evil Sunz without breaking the Klan rule

I mean thats the rule he has now. I assume he'll keep it. It'll actually be easier to get him in with the whole 'all patrols' setup, since you'll be able to skip out on having a crappy HQ you don't want in one of the patrols, like if you dont want a stupid second archon.

 Niiai wrote:
You said the same thing twice.

But yeah, drukhari soup here we go.

Oh yeah I meant stuff like Ambulls lol, I love those things.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:

I love the look of the DE Archons, Warriors and Incubi. Sharp, Dark, Menacing. One of the main reasons that Dark Elves were my main army in Warhammer Fantasy. I just need uniformity in my armies. I like an army to look like an army, not a bunch of random pieces stuck together. Its why I like Space Marines so much, all of their armour is the same, baring their elites and scouts. I hate Death Watch because they're all from different chapters. I hate that daemons are all different colours. Eldar where every unit looks different. Taste the rainbow? No thanks.

I always purposefully make most of my units look basically the same, baring exceptions like Elite units.

Just to say, I completely get where you're coming from on this one.

I'm not a fan of the 'colour-coded-for-your-convenience aesthetic of Eldar' or the mishmash look of multi-god Daemon armies (and yes, I'm well aware that the differences in appearance are part of their theme - it's just that that theme isn't for me. I'm too OCD. ).

That said, I also don't think uniformity needs to be absolute. For example, especially given DE's lore, I think it can be fun to have some models stand out by having a more 'otherwordly' look (even compared to other dark kin), if that makes sense?

I've also been working on a Mandrake-themed army for a while, so I've been trying to cultivate a slightly daemonic look for some of my units and especially for my HQs. The HQs all have Scourge legs, which gives them a consistent look insofar as armour goes, as well as more dynamic poses. But then I've used a mix of Mandrake and Sylvaneth bits to make them look like Mandrakes or Mandrake-variants. Plus a stark, white look for their exposes torsos to help them stand out among the other units in my army.

I'm excited for the release. I told myself I wasn't going to start a 4th army but my LGS is offering 15% off all GW products, I have in store credit too bringing the Piety and Pain down to $125. I have Sisters so the box is a win/win. I get another Ret Squad, the new Palatine, an immolator and essentially the Drukhari half is free.

So I'm getting P&P, the new Combat Patrol box and the codex all for a little over $300 plus the Sisters.

Not a bad haul on my part.

Just to say, I completely get where you're coming from on this one.

I'm not a fan of the 'colour-coded-for-your-convenience aesthetic of Eldar' or the mishmash look of multi-god Daemon armies (and yes, I'm well aware that the differences in appearance are part of their theme - it's just that that theme isn't for me. I'm too OCD. ).

That said, I also don't think uniformity needs to be absolute. For example, especially given DE's lore, I think it can be fun to have some models stand out by having a more 'otherwordly' look (even compared to other dark kin), if that makes sense?

I've also been working on a Mandrake-themed army for a while, so I've been trying to cultivate a slightly daemonic look for some of my units and especially for my HQs. The HQs all have Scourge legs, which gives them a consistent look insofar as armour goes, as well as more dynamic poses. But then I've used a mix of Mandrake and Sylvaneth bits to make them look like Mandrakes or Mandrake-variants. Plus a stark, white look for their exposes torsos to help them stand out among the other units in my army.

Yeah. It's all about theme and execution for me. It doesn't really matter what you put into it, as long as it looks like it belongs.

I'm going to preorder the codex. Drukhari are my faction come what may, and I've found the previews interesting and positive in the main. In any case, if I don't get the book I can't play the game.

I might even get the campaign book, as Crusade appeals to me, and I have two friends who play AdMech and Death Guard.

I'm also betting that Ur Ghuls will be amazing, cos I found some really cheap plastic ones on ebay

I was going to get the Campaign book and codex, but a 3rd book now? No i'm just getting the codex only now.

Not sure if this is legit, but....

that isnt a nerf, Agents of Vect has been NUKED
edit: on reflection, using it so something like Transhuman Physiology or Lightening Fast Reactions for the rest of the battle would be pretty good

Its bad, so up to 4 turns max to add +1CP cost to 1 stratagem? Yeah thats bad. Unless they can use it multitimes a turn its for sure worth 0 CP and a heard nerf.

Is "Strategic Ploy Stratagem" a different sub category?

I think old Vect was pretty unfair, and really frustrating when rolled a 1. Almost never used it, I will use this one every game I play Black Heart.

Of course is not that strong.