40k 9th edition, : App released page 413

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**ClockworkZion**

So I've been up and down the rules and we're missine a couple pages.

Like Engagement Range. 1/2" of a model in Engagement Range, but it's not defined there.

Saw one person say it's 1" horizontally, but no idea.

**tneva82**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
No, most tournies give out SEPARATE categories. In general a reward for the best painted army.

Now, you get potential up to 10 pts for painted armies in the OTHER category, aka playing the game.

SO basically the other side is still unafected, whilest the game side suddendly should get affected?

Because out of the 120 players that attended the tournament, about 5 or 6 actually care on best painted trophy, but about 80+ care about winning best general I'd reckon.

Ah but there's no more best general category. Playtesting becomes also issue as there's external point source affecting games. Is one side winning more because players of that faction are low on painting. Especially likely to make new armies and units appear bad

**ClockworkZion**

nordsturmking wrote:
Can we please make a second thread for discussing the points for painting thing...

So the leaks missions are not the tournament missions?

More than likely they are but GW put them in a smaller seperste book for people who don't want to lug round the full core rulebook.

**kodos**

tneva82 wrote:

Ah but there's no more best general category. Playtesting becomes also issue as there's external point source affecting games. Is one side winning more because players of that faction are low on painting. Especially likely to make new armies and units appear bad

if 40k became taht balanced that the only factor in one Codex is winning more often than others is because there are more painted armies around, I will make a big Party and all of you are invited

**Latro_**

I'v not seen one discussion about the crusade rules, they look amazing imo.

Might save this edition for me.

**ClockworkZion**

Latro_ wrote:
I'v not seen one discussion about the crusade rules, they look amazing imo.

Might save this edition for me.

I was already planning on starting an army just to play Crusade games with a growing force, and the rules definitely cemented that for me.

**Spoletta**

nordsturmking wrote:
Can we please make a second thread for discussing the points for painting thing...

So the leaks missions are not the tournament missions?

Yeah, those are the matched play missions from the rulebook, not the tournament missions from the CA2020.

**Eldarsif**

Latro_ wrote:
I'v not seen one discussion about the crusade rules, they look amazing imo.

Might save this edition for me.

I am already planning out a small campaign with a few friends. Looks very promising and fun.

**topaxygouroun i**

Are the crusader rules leaked somewhere too?

**Latro_**

I thought they'd be a 2 page skill list but they'v really gone to town on it.

Earning xp pts leveling up you units, then like 4 upgrade trees.

RP system to change up your units!

ugh love it. Its like old necromunda for 40k

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topaxygouroun i wrote:
Are the crusader rules leaked somewhere too?

it has but cant post the link as NSFW water marks

**ClockworkZion**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Are the crusader rules leaked somewhere too?

The Warhammer Competetive Subreddit has them

**topaxygouroun i**

Hmm just read something in the subreddit.

In the rules for Psychic, there's currently no limitation on one smite per caster. Magnus can actually cast 4 smites, Ahriman another 3 etc.

I'll take "Day 1 FAQ" for 500, Clarence.

**jivardi**

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Hmm just read something in the subreddit.

In the rules for Psychic, there's currently no limitation on one smite per caster. Magnus can actually cast 4 smites, Ahriman another 3 etc.

I'll take "Day 1 FAQ" for 500, Clarence.

Guessing a day 1 FAQ as well. Mr. Chicken and any LoC for that matter will be casting 3 smites a turn out to 36" on a 3+, 4+, 5+ respectively. And super-smiting on 9+. One can only hope it's intended that way.

**topaxygouroun i**

jivardi wrote:
topaxygouroun i wrote:
Hmm just read something in the subreddit.

In the rules for Psychic, there's currently no limitation on one smite per caster. Magnus can actually cast 4 smites, Ahriman another 3 etc.

I'll take "Day 1 FAQ" for 500, Clarence.

Guessing a day 1 FAQ as well. Mr. Chicken and any LoC for that matter will be casting 3 smites a turn out to 36" on a 3+, 4+, 5+ respectively. And super-smiting on 9+. One can only hope it's intended that way.

And Mr. Magnus will be casting supersmites on a 3+, 3+, 3+, 3+. And quadruplesmites on a 10+.

**Zustiur**

GW: You'll be amazed at how many missions we've made, there's 18 for matched play alone...
Me: No, that's 1 mission with 18 different placements of objectives. You know, a thing which used to have infinite variety because players got to decide where to place them.

This combined with having to intimately know my opponent's army list in order to choose the correct secondaries is exactly why I didn't enjoy the ITC event I went to.

Thank goodness they included the Crusade missions. The Matched Play missions have left me very uninterested.

**p5freak**

Its possible that some pages have not been leaked, where smite is limited to once per psyker for every turn.

**topaxygouroun i**

p5freak wrote:
Its possible that some pages have not been leaked, where smite is limited to once per psyker for every turn.

As a T.Sons player, I pray to Tzeentch this is the case, because I wouldn't want to imagine the alternative and what I would do to my opponents in such a case.

**Kinetochore**

Have I missed something or is the rule that stops you from charging after disembarking gone?

**Latro_**

Kinetochore wrote:
Have I missed something or is the rule that stops you from charging after disembarking gone?

you could always disembark and charge, if the trasport didnt move...

**Kinetochore**

good point - you can tell I haven't played in a while,

what about the move, disembark and charge?

**Aaranis**

Kinetochore wrote:
good point - you can tell I haven't played in a while,

what about the move, disembark and charge?

Only some Transports have it as a special rule, otherwise you can't disembark if the transport made any kind of move in the same turn.

**Kinetochore**

Damn, was hoping that had changed when I read rules yesterday. That'l teach me to read rules at 00:30 at night

**Latro_**

yea it was the first think i scrolled to :( was hoping they'd of changed that.

guess me khorne bezerkers just gotta try this new strategic reserve out

**Kdash**

Just spent a bit of time looking at the Secondaries.
I predict that it is going to be INCREDIBLY rare that anyone will get even close to the 45 max points in a standard game unless you are able to reliably alpha strike or table your opponent in the 1st 2 turns, whilst also picking up secondary points.

I’ll personally be surprised if we see an average of anywhere close to 30 point.

**Ice_can**

Kdash wrote:
Just spent a bit of time looking at the Secondaries.
I predict that it is going to be INCREDIBLY rare that anyone will get even close to the 45 max points in a standard game unless you are able to reliably alpha strike or table your opponent in the 1st 2 turns, whilst also picking up secondary points.

I’ll personally be surprised if we see an average of anywhere close to 30 point.

Some people will give them away alot, but other armies will give away a maximum of very low as your have to go all in on the manovering secondarys against them.

I'm most disappointed that their isnt one for killing mutiwound models or thin their ranks being based on wounds unless you are vehical or monstor.

**stormcraft**

Soo....Rerolls before Modifieres seems to be just gone?
I dont find anything about Rerolls at all in the leaks.

**RedNoak**

Kdash wrote:
Only going to say one thing about this current discussion point…

Stop being fething pedantic prats and trying to cause issue where it is not needed. All this bull about “if you highlight you don’t get points” is ridiculous. Sure, GW could have worded it better to say “at least Battle Ready standard” etc, but anyone that tries to say “you don’t get the points because you are now Parade Ready instead of Battle Ready”, is just trying to cause an argument for the sake of it.

As for unpainted armies, most events across the world, whether GW, ITC or ETC have had a painting standard. If you want to take part in these going forward, expect that requirement to still be there. If your local store/group want to run a local event without it, that is fine, just run the missions out of 90 points rather than the 100. Just don’t expect to go to a major event with an unpainted army and be able to take part.

As for the new rules, it is going to take a bit of time for everyone to digest the changes and put them into play correctly. Movement has now become more important that it was before – both in the movement phase and all additional moves in the other phases. 1/2” engagement range is also an interesting change and will certainly take away from large combat blobs and give elite units more of a chance (i.e. no more just drowning under weight of dice where below average rolls will kill you).

No Airwing detachment is interesting and is certainly one of the biggest changes in regards to army building from 8th to 9th. Personally, I’m not too bothered about it, but, if you’re one of the players with 9 Aeldari flyers etc then it is unfortunate as the max you can now take is 6 (after spending CP to take 3 battalions)

Secondaries are also going to be interesting. People will now have to think about army building if they want to attempt to get the max 45 points.

well, msu units already had the benefit in CC, since you could most often attack with the entire unit. Blobs on the other hand were more restricted by the 1" rule. I literally NEVER ended up in a position in which all my boyz could attack. Now its even more fethed up. And i cannot by all that is holy, figure out WHY this was needed... well... beyond Tournament players beeing salty about orks winning a couple of events

i mean... really... CC was aproblem because of elite MSU's like shining spears and smash captains... hordes were NEVER effective in CC besides tarpitting units (which is already nerfed by the fall back strat, new coherency rules and nerfed multicharges)

**shogun**

Did anybody find anything about the "max 3 of the same unit" rule? Cannot find any restrictions for this...

**Spoletta**

The rule of 3 is still in there, and it specifies also that all the demon princes count as a single datasheet and that the brood brothers and AM units are the same datasheet.

**Latro_**

shogun wrote:
Did anybody find anything about the "max 3 of the same unit" rule? Cannot find any restrictions for this...

its in the mission pack